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For $150 more you can get an Oppo 103 which I'm pretty sure it's a better player than this new Sony. I think the Sony is too overpriced for what you get. BTW, when in stock, you can get an Oppo 103 refurbished for $419.
But does the Oppo have the streaming apps that the Sony player has?

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Yes, I know that but to me it's really hard to see how this:



Can be a contender to this:



Even if the Sony is $200 cheaper than the Oppo!!! Maybe it's because I own a 105D so I know how good the 103 can be. BTW, I have a S6700 in my bedroom and it's an excellent player.
If you are just bitstreaming the audio then the answer would be yes. If you are still using old school analog, optical, or coaxial outs then the answer would be no.

For me, if this SOny player had UHD BD playback then I would definitely pick it up. Without that then I already have separate UHD BD, SACD, and DVD-A players. And a couple of Darbee Darblets to cover me.
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Does the OPPO do the upconversion so folks with those 2160 TV's, the "sorta UHD" ones that bridged a gap for a model year can use so the Sony might make sense?

Which is why the 6700/6500's are not apples to apples with this player. The dual HDMI out enables folks to push that near 4K thing. Like we did early on with HDMI 1.4 and older receivers.

The price is still hard to understand though. Needs to be about 100 less.

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Does the OPPO do the upconversion so folks with those 2160 TV's, the "sorta UHD" ones that bridged a gap for a model year can use so the Sony might make sense?

Which is why the 6700/6500's are not apples to apples with this player. The dual HDMI out enables folks to push that near 4K thing. Like we did early on with HDMI 1.4 and older receivers.

The price is still hard to understand though. Needs to be about 100 less.
I don't need dual outputs to do this. I can already send upconverted 4K over 1 HDMI output with my Sony S6500. I don't need HDMI 2.0a or HDCP 2.2 to accomplish this with an upconverting player. I currently do this through my Sony speaker bar through one of it's inputs that does not have HDCP 2.2.

The only reason I use the dual HDMI outputs with my Samsung K8500 is because my Sony speaker bar doesn't have HDMI 2.0a, just 2.0. So it can't send the info needed for HDR. If I had the 2016 Sony speaker bar version of my 2015 bar instead, then I wouldn't be using the dual outputs since the newer one has HDMI 2.0a inputs.

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I'm waiting on updating receiver so I don't have a 4K capable chain. I need dual HDMI IF I want to push my Sharp TV to the max it can handle.

Might try this thing IF its 279. Not getting near it at 400.

If I'm going to spend 400 I'm putting that towards a 4K capable receiver and not need dual HDMI.

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I have 2 103's for SACD and DVD-A but also for 3D Blu Ray's. I don't see where this new Sony does 3D. Am I missing something? Big issue if you need to have 3D. That's whats great about the Oppo and having dual HDMI since I still use a pair of Denon 3808's.
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I'd spend the additional money and get the Oppo 103. The build quality of the UHPH1 looks like a $100 player not a $350 one. The big factor for me would be service. I've read enough horror stories on how owners of older Sony players were treated by Sony service centers. No thanks! You get what you pay for as Oppo players have excellent build quality and Oppo has outstanding service.

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I have 2 103's for SACD and DVD-A but also for 3D Blu Ray's. I don't see where this new Sony does 3D. Am I missing something? Big issue if you need to have 3D. That's whats great about the Oppo and having dual HDMI since I still use a pair of Denon 3808's.
Yes, the picture of the back of the Sony from post #30 shows the Blu Ray 3D logo.

I honestly thought this was an old thread from 2013 when I first started reading. Interesting product to be released NOW.
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I'd spend the additional money and get the Oppo 103. The build quality of the UHPH1 looks like a $100 player not a $350 one. The big factor for me would be service. I've read enough horror stories on how owners of older Sony players were treated by Sony service centers. No thanks! You get what you pay for as Oppo players have excellent build quality and Oppo has outstanding service.

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I'm with you if the CS aspect is a problem but will wait and see how owners feel about the product--That said, if you don't need Customer support I can dig not paying a premium for it--Sort of like buying extended warranties, imo.
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Regardless of the OPPO being a better product I'd still not buy one today. Yes its amazing. In context for today with UHD, etc., there's no way I could justify spending what they cost.

I or my family have a Sony BDPS790, a 6500 and a 7200. Never had a problem with support or service.

At their price points I don't think own for a long time fix it when it breaks is part of the mix.

With OPPO or any product that cost what they do sure. The bulk of Sony's blurays? probably not.

Which again brings me back to price point.

At 400 bucks everything changes. Expectations, life expectancy, etc., all very different than 119.

If you need SACD and DVD-A playback you can reach that goal with DVD players.

Can get something like a Pioneer DV-600AV-K/610 or the Elite 48/49AV's for chump change.

Yes OPPO's are great. Not buying one today even with them being so.
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Regardless of the OPPO being a better product I'd still not buy one today. Yes its amazing. In context for today with UHD, etc., there's no way I could justify spending what they cost.

I or my family have a Sony BDPS790, a 6500 and a 7200. Never had a problem with support or service.

At their price points I don't think own for a long time fix it when it breaks is part of the mix.

With OPPO or any product that cost what they do sure. The bulk of Sony's blurays? probably not.

Which again brings me back to price point.

At 400 bucks everything changes. Expectations, life expectancy, etc., all very different than 119.

If you need SACD and DVD-A playback you can reach that goal with DVD players.

Can get something like a Pioneer DV-600AV-K/610 or the Elite 48/49AV's for chump change.

Yes OPPO's are great. Not buying one today even with them being so.
Another thing you may want to consider is resell value. A Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, LG or any other mass market Blu Ray Player cost nothing after 1 year of use. Last year I sold my Oppo DV-983H DVD Player that I purchased back in 2008 for $300. I paid $499 for it. Two months ago I sold my Oppo BDP-93 Blu ray Player for $350 and I paid $499 for it back in 2011.

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Oppo DV-983H DVD Player

That would be another DVD player if you needed just the audio playback features.

The issue to me anyway is DSD for SACD playback and being able to stay all HDMI. Many of the last generation in that they came out just as bluray and HD-DVD were fighting it out, what were mid-priced players, those DVD players can do DSD via HDMI. If only because most of them are based on the same chipsets.

Picked up a new Onkyo SP-506 for precisely that reason for my son-in-law for a song. I don't know if it does DVD-A though. Might.

Not to get too far off track. All of that information goes towards why I'm befuddled regarding Sony's price point.

Wouldn't most of the folks who want SA-CD via DSD over HDMI already KNOW what players do or do not and have it addressed?

Not sure how big the market is for folks who don't have any SA-CD's who'd look at this player and say to themselves, "Hey, I think I'm going to buy this thing just so I can start buying SA-CD's and DVD-A's..."

The Onkyo SP-506 does DVD-A.

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...Picked up a new Onkyo SP-506 for precisely that reason for my son-in-law for a song. I don't know if it does DVD-A though. Might.

Not to get too far off track. All of that information goes towards why I'm befuddled regarding Sony's price point.
..."Hey, I think I'm going to buy this thing just so I can start buying SA-CD's and DVD-A's..."

The Onkyo SP-506 does DVD-A.
Isn't the Onkyo a discontinued model?
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All of the DVD players that can do SA-CD via HDMI DSD and DVD-A are probably discontinued.
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Another thing you may want to consider is resell value. A Sony, Samsung, Panasonic, LG or any other mass market Blu Ray Player cost nothing after 1 year of use. Last year I sold my Oppo DV-983H DVD Player that I purchased back in 2008 for $300. I paid $499 for it. Two months ago I sold my Oppo BDP-93 Blu ray Player for $350 and I paid $499 for it back in 2011.
I wonder how much I could get for my ancient Oppo DV-980H?

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I wonder how much I could get for my ancient Oppo DV-980H?
$150-175 on eBay.
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$150-175 on eBay.
Yep, that's correct. The 983H sells for $300 right now. Oppo DVD and Blu Ray Players have the highest resell value on the electronics market. These players are build like a tank and their failure rate is very low.

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build like a tank and their failure rate is very low.

And belts are available incase one wears out.

It all adds up to these Sony's seeing a serious price reduction to get them moved off the shelf.
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I agree with some others here, I think the market for this player will be very low. It's like the Angry Birds movie, a couple years too late
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I'm curious what type of DAC chip is used.
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I'm getting one, going to sell my UHD player.

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Oh great so now what, we ALL have to get one?
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I'm getting one, going to sell my UHD player.

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Should be here on the 9th.
Are you serious? Why?

I purchased one the day it came out but I don't own an UHD player and not planning to jump on the 4K bandwagon anytime soon.
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Don't I seem to be serious?

I'm selling my UHD player because I like to have my displays pro cal'd, and this display doesn't offer much control for HDR cal. So, after a few UHD movies I have decided to stick to 2D and 3D 1080p for a couple of more years until I upgrade. Maybe things will be in better shape by then. I mean I prefered The Martian in 3D over UHD.

Seeing as I owned a 790 and 7200, and liked them both, I wanted to check this player out. I usually buy a player every year, so no big deal. Im an ex Oppo owner (3 different models including a 103D) so I have that experience. Plus I had my eye on this player since it was announced in Jan, if I wasn't keeping the Samsung UHD player. I already decided I am not getting another 103D. When watching 2D and 3D the 103D has no advantage (do not like Darbee), and the SOny's have better streaming. Plus I like the way it looks.

Have I defended the spending of my $$$ enough? I know most of the thread has been a bash fest and an Oppo love fest, but that ain't what it is for.
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Enjoy it. Let us know how it performs. If you're staying put for awhile I certainly understand. I'm confused as to why the dual HDMI out though. Seems like a single HDMI out would be all you need.
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I already explained why I was buying it, but if you need more it boils down to "because I want to", dual HDMI outs have no bearing. I fully understand the disc playback is likely not to vary from a 6700 because I took apart Sony several players and posted chip pics once in the 6500 thread. I get it, but people seriously tend to project too much at AVS on why they would not buy something. It boils down to that I want it, and that's good enough for me because I did not come here to ask anyone's opinion, I came here to post that I had one on order.

I have had a 1200 (gave to my dad), and currently have a 1500, 6500 and 7200. I like their players and I also use them for streaming. I have the 7200 in the bedroom and this model will go nicely in the main HT. And to be quite honest, I hate the power brick on these Sony's because I end up having to use a cheater cord. Now could I have put the 7200 back in the main HT? Sure. But what fun is that?
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I already explained why I was buying it, but if you need more it boils down to "because I want to", dual HDMI outs have no bearing. I fully understand the disc playback is likely not to vary from a 6700 because I took apart Sony several players and posted chip pics once in the 6500 thread. I get it, but people seriously tend to project too much at AVS on why they would not buy something. It boils down to that I want it, and that's good enough for me because I did not come here to ask anyone's opinion, I came here to post that I had one on order.

I have had a 1200 (gave to my dad), and currently have a 1500, 6500 and 7200. I like their players and I also use them for streaming. I have the 7200 in the bedroom and this model will go nicely in the main HT. And to be quite honest, I hate the power brick on these Sony's because I end up having to use a cheater cord. Now could I have put the 7200 back in the main HT? Sure. But what fun is that?
Looking forward to your impressions of this player in detail, and of course, this thread getting back on track.
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Sped up, will be here today. I'll get some pics and basic info up later. I'd assume the menu should not be unchanged from the 2015's much, but I have not kept up with 2016's at all.

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