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So your saying without HDR I won't benefit from a UHD player over a standard 1080P movie with a normal 1080p player and a non-HDR 4K tv.

I'm kind of tired of Sony, similar situation happened to me a while back with another set, paid decent money for this tv to be obsolete now. There is no TV trading in place any knows of is there?
This isn't just Sony. Plenty of TV manufacturers have older 4K TVs that don't have HDR. It's the cost of being a very early adopter.

You can't just arbitrarily add the capability. Especially if the TVs don't have the hardware for HDMI 2.0a or higher. And your older TV does not have the hardware capable of HDMI 2.0a. Which eliminates any possibility of having HDR. They would probably need to physically replace some internal components to have an HDR upgrade.

Now if they had an external box like Samsung, there might be more options for the SOny. I just know I'm glad I waited to get my Sony 850C set. Because with 4K content, HDR is what has made the most difference.

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If you push down on the right stick with a movie playing, you get a banner at the top showing you details. I also checked in my Marantz menu as well.
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That also gives you the Netflix debug popup as well.
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Hello everyone,

I just thought about it this morning and will do some tests tonight but what's your tv settings regarding game mode vs watching uhd bd ?

I mean I got the usual HDR settings posted by richard on the various JS topics (Smart LED to high etc.) for watching 4k BD but I just thought about game mode and think I didn't turned it on yet since I plugged the xbo s.
Will game mode mess up with smart LED, cinema black and other image processing options ?
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If you push down on the right stick with a movie playing, you get a banner at the top showing you details. I also checked in my Marantz menu as well.
It doesn't actually show HDR when you do that thought, right? Just want to make sure I didn't miss it. It says HDR on my TV info, but not when I press the controller stick.
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It doesn't actually show HDR when you do that thought, right? Just want to make sure I didn't miss it. It says HDR on my TV info, but not when I press the controller stick.
No. It just shows output rez, framerate, audio.

My display pops up and tells me when it gets HDR, plus it is easy to tell when HDR kicks in.
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Updated set-up pic!



Watched Deadpool UHD... was a bit underwhelmed, the colors are pretty muted I think so I didn't see much HDR pop, but my TV is 2015 model Samsung with quantum dots... gonna watch The Revenant soon though.
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So I got all excited about the thought of having a 4K blu-ray player to use with my 4K TV (Sony XBR-65X900B) then I find out that it doesn't support HDR... I got the XB1S anyway because they state you can still play 4K UHD content, stream, and game upscale just not in HDR (due to my TV's limitations). I put it my first 4K UHD "The Revenant" and I couldn't really tell a big difference between the 1080P and the 2160P, scanned the same scenes a bunch of times. It's not a side by side comparison but I thought I would notice more.

My XB1S settings stated it displayed 4K UHD 60hz but then under that where it shows "Watching movies and TV", all of the settings are X'd out. I don't remember them all but many about 10 bit etc. the HDR section under that was obviously X'd out as well. I believe the HDMI ports on my TV (1&2) are HDMI 2.0 compliant and I am using the included 2.0 cable the Xb1S brought.

Is there anything else I'm missing or is this as good as it gets without the HDR? I got this TV in late 2014 I believe.
You should still be able to discern better color details and more noticeable lighting differences. A good example is with BvS in the scene where Supes lands at the Capitol building. On the BD the clouds are just gray and somber, but on the UHD version you can see the sun illuminating them from behind. This detail is completely missing on the BD version.
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You should still be able to discern better color details and more noticeable lighting differences. A good example is with BvS in the scene where Supes lands at the Capitol building. On the BD the clouds are just gray and somber, but on the UHD version you can see the sun illuminating them from behind. This detail is completely missing on the BD version.
Even without the HDR component?
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Does the Xbox One S let you explicitly select chroma subsampling like the nvidia shield does? 1080p 60 or 24hz 4:4:4 or 4k 60hz 4:2:0
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Does the Xbox One S let you explicitly select chroma subsampling like the nvidia shield does? 1080p 60 or 24hz 4:4:4 or 4k 60hz 4:2:0
No.
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Watched Deadpool UHD... was a bit underwhelmed, the colors are pretty muted I think so I didn't see much HDR pop, but my TV is 2015 model Samsung with quantum dots... gonna watch The Revenant soon though.
I don't think you have enough controllers :P
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Even without the HDR component?
My TV hasnt even heard of HDR lol
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Does the Xbox One S let you explicitly select chroma subsampling like the nvidia shield does? 1080p 60 or 24hz 4:4:4 or 4k 60hz 4:2:0


Netflix HDR



Amazon HD



Blu-ray


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Nope. Unfortunately I do not see any settings for enhanced. I looked in all settings, even under "Pro setup" which only allowed me to adjust the dynamic range for my HDMI from auto to full.

You have the C models, is it equipped with HDR or only D models?
My 830C does not, but the 850C does. Add far as I'm aware , not all D models have HDr, but ma y or all may get it via a firmware update.

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No.
So the blu ray player for both 1080 BD and 4k BD are defaulting to RGB and other apps like netflix is using YCbCr? Anyway to determine the pixel encoding/chroma subsampling used by non blu ray video apps? You would think since BD are YCbCr encoded that the Xbox would use YCbCr color space.

http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-o...l-requirements

The table on that page states the requirements at the various resolutions / framerates.
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So the blu ray player for both 1080 BD and 4k BD are defaulting to RGB and other apps like netflix is using YCbCr? Anyway to determine the pixel encoding/chroma subsampling used by non blu ray video apps? You would think since BD are YCbCr encoded that the Xbox would use YCbCr color space.

http://support.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-o...l-requirements

The table on that page states the requirements at the various resolutions / framerates.

I know in past history it has been common for these game systems to output RGB from apps (like Roku's and other devices), and it isn't a big deal for my setup but can be for others. I did find it odd that the Netflix app was BT 2020 ycbcr, but Netflix runs the show when its app launches so that could be the difference. IMO, it would make more sense for the M$ blu-ray app to output ycbcr as well...
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I know in past history it has been common for these game systems to output RGB from apps (like Roku's and other devices), and it isn't a big deal for my setup but can be for others. I did find it odd that the Netflix app was BT 2020 ycbcr, but Netflix runs the show when its app launches so that could be the difference. IMO, it would make more sense for the M$ blu-ray app to output ycbcr as well...
Thanks for the reply.

Another question: Did you set the XB1S to 4k 60hz resolution -- effectively upconverting non 4k content? Or do you have it set to 1080p and let the apps themselves switch to 4k as needed (Blu Ray UHD or Netflix) -- effectively letting the 4k Display scale the 1080 signal to 4k for non 4k content?
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Thanks for the reply.

Another question: Did you set the XB1S to 4k 60hz resolution -- effectively upconverting non 4k content? Or do you have it set to 1080p and let the apps themselves switch to 4k as needed (Blu Ray UHD or Netflix) -- effectively letting the 4k Display scale the 1080 signal to 4k for non 4k content?
I have it set to 4k/60, which is why you see the non UHD amazon app output as 4k/60. Whats odd is the blu-ray app puts out 1080p/24 even with that set. According to posters here, something has been changed on that app end of last week with an update, to where it is not scaling blurays any more to 2160p/24.
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Is anybody else having issues where Netflix switches your TV into HDR mode upon opening the app? Then will keep it in HDR mode even when a non-HDR program is picked? There are few bugs Microsoft needs to fix apparently...

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Is anybody else having issues where Netflix switches your TV into HDR mode upon opening the app? Then will keep it in HDR mode even when a non-HDR program is picked? There are few bugs Microsoft needs to fix apparently...
Yep. Same way the Shield app worked when I used it. Not sure if this is normal procedure for the Netflix HDR app or not.

I will say this, Stranger Things looked dang good with the app triggering HDR, even though it is not HDR itself. I think because it adds so much pop on my OLED from the dark area to the bright things like lights, etc...
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Yep. Same way the Shield app worked when I used it. Not sure if this is normal procedure for the Netflix HDR app or not.

I will say this, Stranger Things looked dang good with the app triggering HDR, even though it is not HDR itself. I think because it adds so much pop on my OLED from the dark area to the bright things like lights, etc...
No this is not normal. The Netflix app on the XBOne S is borked. It should only go into HDR mode when you start streaming an HDR title. This is how my other HDR devices behave with Netflix.

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Yep. Same way the Shield app worked when I used it. Not sure if this is normal procedure for the Netflix HDR app or not.

I will say this, Stranger Things looked dang good with the app triggering HDR, even though it is not HDR itself. I think because it adds so much pop on my OLED from the dark area to the bright things like lights, etc...
It is also possible that your TV will not engage WCG without HDR, so by netflix triggering HDR it actually triggers WCG and would explain the pop.

I have a Vizio P-series and that is how it works. Wider Color Gamut only works with HDR.
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Yep. Same way the Shield app worked when I used it. Not sure if this is normal procedure for the Netflix HDR app or not.

I will say this, Stranger Things looked dang good with the app triggering HDR, even though it is not HDR itself. I think because it adds so much pop on my OLED from the dark area to the bright things like lights, etc...
What TV is your Xbox and Shield hooked up to? Before I sold my Sony 75x850C and now my Samsung HU9000, the Shield does not and did not kick my TV into HDR mode. It's just on my LG EF9500 OLED with the Xbox One S.

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It is also possible that your TV will not engage WCG without HDR, so by netflix triggering HDR it actually triggers WCG and would explain the pop.

I have a Vizio P-series and that is how it works. Wider Color Gamut only works with HDR.
I dont use WCG, but yes it makes WCG selectable. The "pop" comes from the increased contrast ratio. When the OLED is in HDR mode, the contrast and backlight are max'd out so things like flashlights in a dark scene pop more due to the increased dynamic range of zero black to maxed out whites.

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What TV is your Xbox and Shield hooked up to? Before I sold my Sony 75x850C and now my Samsung HU9000, the Shield does not and did not kick my TV into HDR mode. It's just on my LG EF9500 OLED with the Xbox One S.
I looked back at my notes, that is not how the Shield worked for me and my post above is incorrect about the Netflix app. When they added Netflix HDR recently, my shield was outputting 4k/24 ycbcr 10 bit, but I was not getting the HDR popup. Something was quirky there.

Both the shield and xbox are/were connected to my EF9500, and as you can confirm, I got no HDR popup from the Shield Netflix app. When I go into the Xbox One S Netflix app, it goes right into HDR mode with the splash screen.
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I dont use WCG, but yes it makes WCG selectable. The "pop" comes from the increased contrast ratio. When the OLED is in HDR mode, the contrast and backlight are max'd out so things like flashlights in a dark scene pop more due to the increased dynamic range of zero black to maxed out whites.
Would it actually do that though if the source is not HDR? Or would it still do that since the TV is basically being "tricked" into thinking it is HDR? If so, it just needs to be active all of the time then haha.
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Would it actually do that though if the source is not HDR? Or would it still do that since the TV is basically being "tricked" into thinking it is HDR?
Yep, by being intro tricked HDR my display is going from 40 footlamberts to 115 footlamberts. While there is no wider color gamut, you are still going to see contrast ratio pop between light at dark areas on an OLED. The dark is always zero black, but now things like lights, etc... are over two times brighter.

The episode of stranger things I watched with the xbox one in HDR mode was the one where Rider hangs all the christmas lights. It was obvious that the lights vs dark back grounds had some wow to them just because the OLED was tricked into torch mode.

Id rather though, if the content was not mastered in HDR, that the app not trick the display into HDR mode because it probably negatively affects other parts of the image.
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Watched Deadpool UHD... was a bit underwhelmed, the colors are pretty muted I think so I didn't see much HDR pop, but my TV is 2015 model Samsung with quantum dots... gonna watch The Revenant soon though.
I agree. Watched Deadpool 2 days ago, and was not impressed by the picture quality.
Now I have a couple of UHD-discs under my belt, and there are quite som differences out there.
My favorite so far is MadMax. All the fire and flames are so lush. The sand, the crisp sky. The extra edge of detail and resolution.
Fastforward to about 17-18 minutes and watch the chase. It's spectacular show in flames, sparks, red sand and blue sky.
Revenant is also a good movie.
I did not get any pop with The Amazing Spider-Man 2. Got a bit more pop with The Fantastic Four.
But my favorite is MadMax.
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I agree. Watched Deadpool 2 days ago, and was not impressed by the picture quality.
Now I have a couple of UHD-discs under my belt, and there are quite som differences out there.
My favorite so far is MadMax. All the fire and flames are so lush. The sand, the crisp sky. The extra edge of detail and resolution.
Fastforward to about 17-18 minutes and watch the chase. It's spectacular show in flames, sparks, red sand and blue sky.
Revenant is also a good movie.
I did not get any pop with The Amazing Spider-Man 2. Got a bit more pop with The Fantastic Four.
But my favorite is MadMax.
My only gripe with madax is the intentional grain in the film. The Martian is another movie that looks great. Right from the opening scene of the red planet
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I thought Deadpool was at the upper end of UHD BD releases. Although I haven't checked it out on my XBOne S yet.

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