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Hi. Just purchased a Xbox One S to use as a uhd player on my XBR55X850A. Main screen is indeed in 4K but when I try to play a uhd movie, comes back to 1080p. Xbox says my tv can't play 4K in 10 bit color. I have a Samsung 4k cablebox and it plays 4k movies nicely. So what gives? Does anyone have any ideas on what's going on?
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Might ask in your owner's thread. Some displays need a menu setting activated for the display to report back it can handle 10 bit.
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Hi. Just purchased a Xbox One S to use as a uhd player on my XBR55X850A. Main screen is indeed in 4K but when I try to play a uhd movie, comes back to 1080p. Xbox says my tv can't play 4K in 10 bit color. I have a Samsung 4k cablebox and it plays 4k movies nicely. So what gives? Does anyone have any ideas on what's going on?
The X850A is a 2013 display and uses HDMI 2.0 Level B (10.2 Gbps) ports. As such, it can accept up to 8-bit 2160p24/25/30 YUV 4:2:2/4:4:4/RGB or 8-bit 2160p50/60 YUV 4:2:0. It can also accept 8/10/12-bit 1080p24/25/30/50/60 YUV 4:2:2/4:4:4/RGB. Technically, I believe that 10-bit 2160p24/25/30 YUV 4:2:0 is within its bandwidth capabilities. But, for some unknown reason, none of the UHD Blu-Ray players can output the native 10-bit 2160p24 YUV 4:2:0 found on UHD Blu-Ray discs. They all convert to YUV 4:2:2/4:4:4/RGB, which requires HDMI 2.0 Level A (18 Gbps) ports.

So, your choices are...

1) force 8-bit 2160p24 YUV 4:2:2/4:4:4/RGB output, if possible
2) force 8-bit 2160p60 YUV 4:2:0 output
3) if you can confirm whether or not the display actually supports 10-bit 2160p24 YUV 4:2:0, you could use an HD Fury Integral to convert the 10-bit 2160p24 YUV 4:4:4 that the player outputs to this and feed it to your display
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The X850A is a 2013 display and uses HDMI 2.0 Level B (10.2 Gbps) ports. As such, it can accept up to 8-bit 2160p24/25/30 YUV 4:2:2/4:4:4/RGB or 8-bit 2160p50/60 YUV 4:2:0. It can also accept 8/10/12-bit 1080p24/25/30/50/60 YUV 4:2:2/4:4:4/RGB. Technically, I believe that 10-bit 2160p24/25/30 YUV 4:2:0 is within its bandwidth capabilities. But, for some unknown reason, none of the UHD Blu-Ray players can output the native 10-bit 2160p24 YUV 4:2:0 found on UHD Blu-Ray discs. They all convert to YUV 4:2:2/4:4:4/RGB, which requires HDMI 2.0 Level A (18 Gbps) ports.

So, your choices are...

1) force 8-bit 2160p24 YUV 4:2:2/4:4:4/RGB output, if possible
2) force 8-bit 2160p60 YUV 4:2:0 output
3) if you can confirm whether or not the display actually supports 10-bit 2160p24 YUV 4:2:0, you could use an HD Fury Integral to convert the 10-bit 2160p24 YUV 4:4:4 that the player outputs to this and feed it to your display
I have a XBR55X800B, do you know the specifics on that TV? Getting information for my TV is extremely difficult and I'd like to know the "choices" for mine also. Thanks!

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Hi. Just purchased a Xbox One S to use as a uhd player on my XBR55X850A. Main screen is indeed in 4K but when I try to play a uhd movie, comes back to 1080p. Xbox says my tv can't play 4K in 10 bit color. I have a Samsung 4k cablebox and it plays 4k movies nicely. So what gives? Does anyone have any ideas on what's going on?
Did you set the XBOne S for 10 bit output in the video settings? I think it defaults to 8 bit output. I remember needing to change mine to 10 bit.

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...........But, for some unknown reason, none of the UHD Blu-Ray players can output the native 10-bit 2160p24 YUV 4:2:0 found on UHD Blu-Ray discs. They all convert to YUV 4:2:2/4:4:4/RGB, which requires HDMI 2.0 Level A (18 Gbps) ports.

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it's not unknown. That output format is not part of the Blu-ray spec. It's only used to store the content on disc in that format.

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it's not unknown. That output format is not part of the Blu-ray spec. It's only used to store the content on disc in that format.
I assume that you meant HDMI spec? If so, you are correct. However, I think it's rediculous that the HDMI spec wasn't designed to support the native format for almost all commercial UHD content. Forcing the source device to upscale chroma resolution or downscale spatial resolution/bit depth in order to pass the signal over HDMI is a major oversight.
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Did you set the XBOne S for 10 bit output in the video settings? I think it defaults to 8 bit output. I remember needing to change mine to 10 bit.
I did and it didn't work... However, Avsforum member Boe solved the problem: On a X850A only the input HDMI 4 allows for any 4k...
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The X850A is a 2013 display and uses HDMI 2.0 Level B (10.2 Gbps) ports. As such, it can accept up to 8-bit 2160p24/25/30 YUV 4:2:2/4:4:4/RGB or 8-bit 2160p50/60 YUV 4:2:0. It can also accept 8/10/12-bit 1080p24/25/30/50/60 YUV 4:2:2/4:4:4/RGB. Technically, I believe that 10-bit 2160p24/25/30 YUV 4:2:0 is within its bandwidth capabilities. But, for some unknown reason, none of the UHD Blu-Ray players can output the native 10-bit 2160p24 YUV 4:2:0 found on UHD Blu-Ray discs. They all convert to YUV 4:2:2/4:4:4/RGB, which requires HDMI 2.0 Level A (18 Gbps) ports.

So, your choices are...

1) force 8-bit 2160p24 YUV 4:2:2/4:4:4/RGB output, if possible
2) force 8-bit 2160p60 YUV 4:2:0 output
3) if you can confirm whether or not the display actually supports 10-bit 2160p24 YUV 4:2:0, you could use an HD Fury Integral to convert the 10-bit 2160p24 YUV 4:4:4 that the player outputs to this and feed it to your display
Thanks HockeyoAJB. You've given me alot of good info. I'll actually try some settings based on that.

Turns out the X850A has only one "flexible" 4K input (HDMI 4). It allows for 10-bit.
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I replaced the movie three times now and all three discuss simply refuse to even be recognized as viable discuss by the XBS. Anyone else having issues with this movie?
I have the martian and the revenant both are fine. ST into darkness 4k does not load on my xb1S. I made sure the br player is updated and my console is also. I went to bestbuy to exchange it to test another copy, but it's out of stock. I am hesitant to buy more discs if this is a bigger issue.

Both movies I tried sometimes lag's for a few seconds and then goes back to normal at random times. Is this something that others are seeing also? I guess this is the issue with being the first ones on using new technology and new formats.
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I have the martian and the revenant both are fine. ST into darkness 4k does not load on my xb1S. I made sure the br player is updated and my console is also. I went to bestbuy to exchange it to test another copy, but it's out of stock. I am hesitant to buy more discs if this is a bigger issue.

Both movies I tried sometimes lag's for a few seconds and then goes back to normal at random times. Is this something that others are seeing also? I guess this is the issue with being the first ones on using new technology and new formats.
I gave up and just bought the Philip BD player due to the XBS playback issues. I love the XBS gaming wise, but it sucks as far as UHD BDs go.
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Sorry if wrong forum thread, tried sending PMs to a few people with the same TV as I do but under 15 posts so unable to PM


Playing Deadpool / Revenant / Batman vs Superman, I'm getting weird stuttering randomly via disc (like the scene lags for a few seconds then speeds back up to catch up). It seems like its the Xbox and not the TV (tried Vudu 4k streaming and don't seem to have issues) so wanted to sanity check a few things to make sure I'm not a total noob


P55-C1 , updated firmware to 2.0.13.13 (which adds HDR10 support)
Tried with HDMI cable included in Xbox and the one with the TV
Using HDMI 4 with HDMI Color Subsampling enabled on that input and also tried HDMI 1 with same settings just in case
When playing I see in system info that res is 4K and HDR YES


on xbox:
res: 4K UHD
color depth: 8 bit (also tried with 10, should this be 10 or can it only do 4:4:4 with 8bit?)
color space standard
allow 24hz / HDR / 4K all check


when I do 4K TV details it also says under "Playing games" that "Your TV setup doesn't support HDR10 for gaming" which leads me to believe something isn't configured correctly (even tho I have the HDR10 firmware)


Anything obvious I'm missing here? have tried resetting and toggling every option I can think of on and off but don't seem to be making any progress
I have had this happen only for short periods from the 2 movies I have . Revenant and Martian
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I gave up and just bought the Philip BD player due to the XBS playback issues. I love the XBS gaming wise, but it sucks as far as UHD BDs go.
hopefully some software patches can resolve it soon. The 1080p blu rays had similar issues when it first launched also.
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There was some chatting that MS will add bitstream support on Xbox One S in the future but who knows when. The Xbox UHD player appears to be buggy and do not play certain discs. Frankly for HT use, just get a Samsung or Philips UHD player, or wait for Panasonic low cost UHD player or Sony.
What about the Xbox One S upscaling capabilities? I've read that it is so good it's worth getting it even for this feature. Do you agree?

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What about the Xbox One S upscaling capabilities? I've read that it is so good it's worth getting it even for this feature. Do you agree?

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You're honestly better off getting one of the stand alone players. Even when the player does manage to actually play a disc it is usually filled with stuttery playback. I'm in the Xbox Preview Program & get the constant patches & none of them have helped UHD playback yet. For games, it has been flawless so that I can't complain about. I bought the Panasonic UHD player last week & haven't looked back.
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What about the Xbox One S upscaling capabilities? I've read that it is so good it's worth getting it even for this feature. Do you agree?

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Every standalone UHD player has 1080p to 4K upscaling capability, and they all do a good job. Better yet, if you have a newer TV, use the TV upscaler. The Xbox is poor in HT use. The only reason one would buy it is for the Xbox gaming.
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You're honestly better off getting one of the stand alone players. Even when the player does manage to actually play a disc it is usually filled with stuttery playback. I'm in the Xbox Preview Program & get the constant patches & none of them have helped UHD playback yet. For games, it has been flawless so that I can't complain about. I bought the Panasonic UHD player last week & haven't looked back.
I've not seen any issues with UHD BD playback. Except for Lucy and Oblivion which won't even load on the three XBOne S boxes I've had.

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Got my Philips player in today, it's a complete dream compared to the XBS. No playback issues at all.
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Does the Xbox one S play files off a hard drive in 4k? Does it handle x265 as a format? Would love to get it seeing as it has a lot of 4K capabilities (notably the UHD drive and major streaming services in 4K) but it pretty much needs to have a decent range of options for native playback as well.
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Does the Xbox one S play files off a hard drive in 4k? Does it handle x265 as a format? Would love to get it seeing as it has a lot of 4K capabilities (notably the UHD drive and major streaming services in 4K) but it pretty much needs to have a decent range of options for native playback as well.
I played a bunch of UHD files without issues. But they were in SDR. It wouldn't play the UHD HDR files I tried(or at least the video, I think it only played the audio). But that was also over a month ago. No idea if things have changed since then.
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The NetFlix logo is not displaying with my XBOX ONE S.
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Same here. I have a Sony 930c and when I watch Netflix through the native TV app it shows HDR (which I'm not too impressed with).

On my Xbox One S I go to the same show (Marco Polo) and it doesn't show HDR anywhere but still shows 4K. I've updated my Xbox to 4K UHD and 10-bit...I also updated my HDMI for that port to Enhanced.

Can anyone on here get Netflix (through Xbox One S) to show HDR? Any ideas on what I can do to get it to work?

EDIT - I just restarted the App and it works now!

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I have a Sony 930c

On my Xbox One S the television automatically changes to HDR settings when I open the Netflix App. I only want HDR settings to apply on shows that play HDR - for everything else I want my regular 4K settings. Any idea how to only enable HDR picture settings with a movie that plays HDR instead of every movie?

Is everyone else having issue where Netflix only brings out HDR settings on your TV?
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I have a Sony 930c

On my Xbox One S the television automatically changes to HDR settings when I open the Netflix App. I only want HDR settings to apply on shows that play HDR - for everything else I want my regular 4K settings. Any idea how to only enable HDR picture settings with a movie that plays HDR instead of every movie?

Is everyone else having issue where Netflix only brings out HDR settings on your TV?
This has been an issue since the XBone S launch on August 2nd. The Netflix app is borked. Someone posted that a workaround is to disable hdr in the XBOne S settings. But personally I would rather use a device that is working properly than have to remember to enable/disable a setting Everytime I use a device.
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This has been an issue since the XBone S launch on August 2nd. The Netflix app is borked. Someone posted that a workaround is to disable hdr in the XBOne S settings. But personally I would rather use a device that is working properly than have to remember to enable/disable a setting Everytime I use a device.
You da man! That resolved my issue.

Hopefully they update it soon.
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I just got The Revenant and I'm playing through my Xbox One S...it doesn't look good. I checked the video settings and it says everything is compatible and hooked up properly. HDR on my Xbox One S settings are enabled and every compatibility area is checked. (Picture 1)

But the loading screen does look AMAZING!!! It's full screen and looks perfect. It's almost like playing the movie triggers something.

Anyways, when I go to play the movie nothing changes (HDR does not turn on) and the screen looks hazy/yellowish. I can manually turn on HDR but it doesn't look right. The black bars at the top and bottom do not look black (almost yellowish) so I know something is wrong.

NEXT - I go into the Xbox One S settings and uncheck "HDR" and go to replay the movie (Picture 2).

With HDR unchecked it looks EPIC! Exactly what I was hoping for. Does anyone know why the picture looks like trash with HDR enabled in the Xbox One S settings?
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Just got my One S hooked up last night and popped in a UHD BD and wow are the colors hot and blown out. I stuck the same disc in my Samsung player to make sure I wasn't crazy and the difference is astounding. There is no way I could use the Xbox for movies unless there is some setting I am missing. I am hooked up to my smaller Sony 65x930c. Might try it on my 75x940c, but I am expecting similar results. Is anyone else seeing this?
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Yeah, I actually just unplugged the Samsung and used the same HDMI for the One S just to verify it wasn't a settings issue in the TV. The difference is most notable with reds. As an example, in the opening of Star Trek Into Darkness when Spock is going down into the volcano all of the lava is just a red smear. There is absolutely no detail. Completely different experience on the Samsung player so I am not too sure what is going on here. I have tried all three color depth settings in the Xbox with no visible change. Really feel like I am just missing something obvious here.
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I just realized that my Sony set must have some kind of a sub-set for HDR. If I start off with Game mode then I do not have most of the Motion flow settings when in HDR mode. But if I do start off in Cinema Pro mode, then the normal options appear in HDR mode. Not sure if this will make a difference on you set though.
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Not necessarily. Anyone that cares about accuracy knows many of the early displays that do HDR10 lack cal control for HDR mode, ao up until these models have come out you have been forced to accept HDR. That is a strength of the Panny, it has HDR to SDR conversion, as well as the Philips, so you still get the benefit of the UHD disc resolution wise.

I have seen some instances on mine where HDR off looks BETTER. Some dark scenes look wonky because the HDR gamma is not the best. Hopefully these models will get better over the next couple of years for those of us that prefer pro calibrations because we currently have to choose accurate vs HDR WOW.
Does the HDR automatically turn on if everything is working properly while playing a 4K UHD disc? I'm watching Revenant and my Sony 930c won't automatically change to HDR (Like it does for Netflix/etc.)

I attached a picture showing everything is working. My picture actually looks better if I disable the HDR in the Xbox menu. Any help would be great.

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If it is switched on in the menu, and you play a UHD/HDR disc, HDR should come on.

Many displays just dont handle HDR well and look better without it.

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Anybody else experiencing washed out colors with the 4k UHD blu ray player?



I just got a new xbox one S - my TV is a Sony XBR-75X940D (with full range, 4k, HDR etc all enabled) and supports everything in the xbox's 4k list (HDR, 24hz, 50hz, etc). I bought the 4k UHD blu ray "Life of Pi" because its supposed to be a great example of awesome picture details, colors, etc. Unfortunately when I play it with the xbox set to 4k mode, there is a gray-ish tint to the picture, the blacks look grey and all of the color looks "washed out". If I play the same movie with the xbox set to 1080p mode, the colors all look wonderful (but its not 4k resolution). Any ideas on this? I've played around with the color space settings, PC RGB settings, etc on the xbox one s but nothing seems to fix this.


I do have a PC where I can play 4k content (on the same HDMI input on the TV) and it looks perfect, so I don't think its any setting on the TV.


Any ideas on this? I see a lot of complaints about the xbox one S and problems with 4k UHD playback.. maybe I'm better off getting a standalone 4k UHD player?
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