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Good job Microsoft !! I remember the PS3 was the preferred bluray player for a long time, and the Xbox 1S willl be a great option for UHD. Game consoles also get much more software updates and features compared to normal players.
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Good job Microsoft !! I remember the PS3 was the preferred bluray player for a long time, and the Xbox 1S willl be a great option for UHD. Game consoles also get much more software updates and features compared to normal players.
I expect the new PS4 model to follow suit. Though I don't know if they will have a revised model this year like MS.

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I expect the new PS4 model to follow suit. Though I don't know if they will have a revised model this year like MS.
They have the PS4 Neo but its going to be much more than $300. I don't know if they have another new console but if they do, they better announce it at their event, its about to start in an hour.
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They have the PS4 Neo but its going to be much more than $300. I don't know if they have another new console but if they do, they better announce it at their event, its about to start in an hour.
The Neo won't be shown at e3 and will be released sometime in 2017.

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I will wait for 2017 model
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Just Pre-Ordered with MS. I am going in blind, but I am thinking MS will have this one HDMI thing worked out; I was looking at an XB1 anyway.

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The Neo won't be shown at e3 and will be released sometime in 2017.
Correct, its their competitor to Scorpio. There are rumors of a PS4.5.
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You can really tell how much Samsung is ripping off UHD customers if the 500GB model costs $100 LESS than a standalone UHD player.
You may not recall how expensive the first CD, LaserDisc, DVD, and Blu-ray players were!

I have been watching this space and while I'm not a fan of Samsung or Microsoft, I do applaud competition in the market. So I would thank Samsung for being the first to the UHD Blu-ray player market, helping launch a new format that we care about, and setting competitive pricing for every other player that follows including consoles!
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Lets not forget MS has very deep pockets and are more than happy to take huge losses on the Xbox brand. I'm not saying Samsung isn't overcharging but they are definitely not taking a loss on each UHD player. There are plenty of companies like Oppo who will have even higher priced models. And then you have real scams like $5-10k bluray players which just have a $50 pc drive inside, and we'll see the same with UHD.
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Preorder available on BB web site.
BestBuy Pre-orders under Specs, show Blu-ray Player=No!
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/microsof...&skuId=5388502

The XBox One S features a USB3.0 port. (Reminded me of Microsoft's Optional XBox 360 add-on HD-DVD drive that I played through my Desktop PC about 9 years ago.
I just knew HD-DVD would have won over Blu-ray , if...Microsoft would have it built-in. It didn't.)
I'll wait until official confirmation on a built-in 4K UHD Blu-ray drive before I place an order.

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BestBuy Pre-orders under Specs, show Blu-ray Player=No!
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/microsof...&skuId=5388502

The XBox One S features a USB3.0 port. (Reminded me of Microsoft's Optional XBox 360 add-on HD-DVD drive that I played through my Desktop PC about 9 years ago.
I just knew HD-DVD would have won over Blu-ray , if...Microsoft would have it built-in. It didn't.)
I'll wait until official confirmation on a built-in 4K UHD Blu-ray drive before I place an order.
It's already confirmed by Microsoft. The XBOX One S has UHD Blu Ray drive.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xbox-one-s
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BestBuy Pre-orders under Specs, show Blu-ray Player=No!
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/microsof...&skuId=5388502

The XBox One S features a USB3.0 port. (Reminded me of Microsoft's Optional XBox 360 add-on HD-DVD drive that I played through my Desktop PC about 9 years ago.
I just knew HD-DVD would have won over Blu-ray , if...Microsoft would have it built-in. It didn't.)
I'll wait until official confirmation on a built-in 4K UHD Blu-ray drive before I place an order.
It's about as official as it can get. It will play UHD Blu-rays.

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Stream 4K video on Netflix and Amazon Video, and watch UHD Blu-ray movies in stunning 4K Ultra HD.
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I hope they release a bluetooth remote like Sony did for the PS3 and PS4, I still use my PS3 for blu-rays, and the remote is much nicer than trying to control it with the game controller.
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BTW, only the 2TB version comes with the vertical stand. For the 500GB and 1TB versions you have to buy the vertical stand which is $19.99 and it's available for pre-order at Amazon with December 30th release date.

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I hope they release a bluetooth remote like Sony did for the PS3 and PS4, I still use my PS3 for blu-rays, and the remote is much nicer than trying to control it with the game controller.
Good thing is Harmony remotes fully support XBOX One consoles, so in my case I don't need an extra remote for the One S.
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BestBuy Pre-orders under Specs, show Blu-ray Player=No!
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/microsof...&skuId=5388502

The XBox One S features a USB3.0 port. (Reminded me of Microsoft's Optional XBox 360 add-on HD-DVD drive that I played through my Desktop PC about 9 years ago.
I just knew HD-DVD would have won over Blu-ray , if...Microsoft would have it built-in. It didn't.)
I'll wait until official confirmation on a built-in 4K UHD Blu-ray drive before I place an order.


Follow-up: Got off the phone (1-877-696-7786) with Microsoft Store Rep. I mentioned that BestBuy Pre-order shows No Bluray Player and he assured me the XBox One S DOES have a built-in 4K UHD Blu-ray player.
I suggested it's in everyone's interest to make the built-in feature more aware to the buying public...he agreed and said he'd "sent it upstairs".
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Where did you see that Enrico? I preordered the 2TB from Amazon but I don't see the stand included
From Microsoft store:

https://www.microsoftstore.com/store...ModD_EDM_61316

Also on BB:

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/microsof...&skuId=5388400
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Yeah. Stand only comes with 2tb. Might as well get the bigger model with more internal storage and faster availability.

I ordered from MS and Amazon. I wonder if this 8/2 release was a typo on MS's site?
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Amazon did update specifications and posted pictures of XBOX ONE S consoles and like I mentioned before, only the 2TB version includes the vertical stand.

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I'm in,just pre-ordered from Best Buy.Ive been talking myself out of getting a 4k tv but now i have no excuse,Let the shopping begin
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Xbox One S: 4K Bluray w/ HDR

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I hope they release a bluetooth remote like Sony did for the PS3 and PS4, I still use my PS3 for blu-rays, and the remote is much nicer than trying to control it with the game controller.
I hope they don't, My PS3 is practically useless as a Blu-ray player because of the Bluetooth remote. I purchased one of the Sony remotes, it was not backlit and it eventually crapped out on me. Each time I press on the circle navigation pad it equals 2 button presses, try to navigate the xmb with that. The game controller that came with it randomly initiates the triangle button, try watching a movie where the on screen menu pops up randomly, or play a game where it randomly punches when you are trying to shoot. Plus, with the Bluetooth being the only way to turn the thing on, my universal remote will not work with it without some kind of adapter. I would rather have IR with an optional phone app.

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Upscaling....

Still a number of things that are not known on the Xbox one S. Wish there was an owners manual available online! Assuming it has an upscaling engine, output to 4K resolution, I wonder what settings are available for playing DVDs or BD discs? Pass thru or is everything upscaled to 4K?
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I hope we get an answer on the Atmos/DTS:X question soon. I pre-ordered from amazon and am getting ready to move into my new house with some new Atmos speakers. It would also be nice to know if it will stream HDR content from Amazon.

I have an XBOX one now with an external hard drive. Is it reasonable to expect that I can just plug that into the Slim and be ready to go?
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You may not recall how expensive the first CD, LaserDisc, DVD, and Blu-ray players were!

I have been watching this space and while I'm not a fan of Samsung or Microsoft, I do applaud competition in the market. So I would thank Samsung for being the first to the UHD Blu-ray player market, helping launch a new format that we care about, and setting competitive pricing for every other player that follows including consoles!
But what exactly makes 4k blu ray player so expensive if you say so? Surely the lazer is not a dramatic leap in tech, does spindle have to spin dramatically faster? I think samsungs 4k blu ray player was an outright rip off cause no one else was making one, and the people willing to buy the tech have the money.
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Not really true. Compared to Sony PS3/4, MS has been slow in terms of technology adoption via FW updates.
Case in point is Atmos/DTS:X, etc newer audio formats. People are asking for Atmos support (just give the damn bitstream out option) for almost 2 years now and MS is yet to deliver - while Sony supports it right off the bat. I was all in with XB1 as my main media player and was forced to buy a $50 blu ray player just for bit stream out.
Wait, so the current xbox does not have a bitstream option? That would be a deal breaker if this does not have that b.c I highly doubt this will decode ATMOS and DTS:X.
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Put in a pre-order for 2TB at Amazon. The single HDMI out is a problem for me since I'm still using a Denon 4311 but that should only be a problem for UHD Blu-rays. I expect gaming to continue using lossy audio that can be passed via optical back to the receiver. I'll get more use out of this than I will from the Samsung/Phillips players until the UHD Oppo model launches.
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Wait, so the current xbox does not have a bitstream option? That would be a deal breaker if this does not have that b.c I highly doubt this will decode ATMOS and DTS:X.
Current Xbox One does not support Atmos. It does "bitstream" but not pass through. You have to chose between DTS or Dolby Digital, so it's not a real bitstream. This has been a general complaint since the release of the Xbox One. It's not clear yet if the Xbox One S will have bitstream pass through like the PS4 does.
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I don't have current xB1 so if you can elaborate on what this issue is that you speak of I'm sure lots of people will find that info helpful
There's qutie a few to list, but on launch the major issues were:

1) 24hz playback was broken on the xbone. Audio will regularly skip or lag behind, no amount of lipsync compensation will fix it.
2) For interlaced content (1080i), the xbone de-interlaces properly but then converts a 50p video into 60p which can cause judder.
3) Stuttering video issues when you try and skip forward too quickly.

The first 2 issues are now fixed. But the stuttering video bug is still happening to users. Currently the biggest problem for the xbone is that it cannot pass-through Atmos and DTS:X properly while the PS4 does it without batting an eye. Weird yes? Because all the damn thing needs to do is bitstream the data over for decoding, but no, MS needs to make it complicated.

Yes, yes, perhaps MS has learned its mistakes and the Xbone S will have no issues from the get go. But seriously, this is microsoft we're talking about. They've always broken things that wasn't broken in their history (look at Win98 to WinME, look at XP to Vista, look at 7 to 8, look at Xbox 360 to Xbox One). It wouldn't surprise me a single bit if they screw something up as simple as a proper HDCP 2.2 handshake or sending the correct HDR metadata. It wouldn't surprise me if the break 24hz playback again either.
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Originally Posted by Fascinate View Post
But what exactly makes 4k blu ray player so expensive if you say so? Surely the lazer is not a dramatic leap in tech, does spindle have to spin dramatically faster? I think samsungs 4k blu ray player was an outright rip off cause no one else was making one, and the people willing to buy the tech have the money.
The key to cheap player is to have a cheap all-in-one chipset. First gen players don't have this advantage. So makers have to use existing components to put together a complicated board with freshly written (buggy) software inside the player. The first gen Toshiba HD DVD player is basically a full HTPC (and weights like a PC as well). It takes chip makers some months to come up with a new UHD chip and software to go with it. When that happens, the price will drop a lot. Just like today's BD player. There were $400 to $1000 when they first showed up.

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Wait, so the current xbox does not have a bitstream option? That would be a deal breaker if this does not have that b.c I highly doubt this will decode ATMOS and DTS:X.
It doesn't and there is no indication from MS it will have one in the S. Current X1 has two options:
1. multi-channel PCM. Everything is decoded into LPCM 7.1.
2. 'bitstream' - a fools option.

If you choose #2 and think it is bitstream, you are a fool. What it does is re-encode #1 into DD 5.1 audio.

And not to mention all streaming apps on X1 currently all send 5.1 surround channels to the wrong output (to back surround instead of side surround or matrix between two) if you have a 7.1 setup.

So, if X1 S still does the same thing for UHD, I won't buy it.
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