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Is the Xbox One X better then the Xbox One S, in regards to the UHD Player? I’m not talking about gaming, or apps… just the physical BluRay Disc Player part.

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I thought I read the Xbox One X has HDMI 2.0b (S has 2.0), which means the X would be 18Gbps (S is 10Gbps?), which means X would show HDR, 4k, 60hz, 4:4:4 (S would just be HDR, 4k, 30hz, 4:2:0?)

I tried Googling this but it’s a bit difficult finding the right keywords to search (especially when I don't care about the gaming/app part), and I found lots of outdated info as MS has released firmware updates that might have addressed the above... hopefully someone can help me!
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Is the Xbox One X better then the Xbox One S, in regards to the UHD Player? I’m not talking about gaming, or apps… just the physical BluRay Disc Player part.

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I thought I read the Xbox One X has HDMI 2.0b (S has 2.0), which means the X would be 18Gbps (S is 10Gbps?), which means X would show HDR, 4k, 60hz, 4:4:4 (S would just be HDR, 4k, 30hz, 4:2:0?)

I tried Googling this but it’s a bit difficult finding the right keywords to search (especially when I don't care about the gaming/app part), and I found lots of outdated info as MS has released firmware updates that might have addressed the above... hopefully someone can help me!
There is zero difference between the two as far as UHD goes.
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Is the Xbox One X better then the Xbox One S, in regards to the UHD Player? I’m not talking about gaming, or apps… just the physical BluRay Disc Player part.

Example:
I thought I read the Xbox One X has HDMI 2.0b (S has 2.0), which means the X would be 18Gbps (S is 10Gbps?), which means X would show HDR, 4k, 60hz, 4:4:4 (S would just be HDR, 4k, 30hz, 4:2:0?)

I tried Googling this but it’s a bit difficult finding the right keywords to search (especially when I don't care about the gaming/app part), and I found lots of outdated info as MS has released firmware updates that might have addressed the above... hopefully someone can help me!
The S could do HDR, 4k, 60Hz, 4:2:0 as well. The difference between 4:2:0 and 4:4:4 does not matter for BluRay, since all BluRays use 4:2:0 compression anyway.
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The S could do HDR, 4k, 60Hz, 4:2:0 as well. The difference between 4:2:0 and 4:4:4 does not matter for BluRay, since all BluRays use 4:2:0 compression anyway.
Thank you so much!! Especially getting technical, as it was hard finding details.

I am curious, does the X do 4:4:4 then? And if so, what it's use if it's not for BluRay (games?)?
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Thank you so much!! Especially getting technical, as it was hard finding details.

I am curious, does the X do 4:4:4 then? And if so, what it's use if it's not for BluRay (games?)?
I suppose it could, but it wouldn't make much difference. You can only see the difference in very small details like with text from a computer. I doubt you would ever see the difference when using an xbox.
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Thank you so much!! Especially getting technical, as it was hard finding details.

I am curious, does the X do 4:4:4 then? And if so, what it's use if it's not for BluRay (games?)?

Both console outputs exactly the same over HDMI. HDMI 2.0 already supports 4:4:4 and 18gbps. There is not much advantage there for HDMI 2.1 for Xbox.


The only difference between the two is one can play some games in 4K. The other one can't. If you are not interested in games, the only difference between the two is what's left in your wallet.
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I've had a Xbox One X for a long time, but I'd never played a UHD Bluray until now. The reason is, I upgraded my sound system to Atmos and it's mostly UHD discs that have the Atmos soundtrack.



Anyway, I pretty damn impressed with Atmos. As for the the Xbox One X as a playback device, it works just fine, just like it did for regular Blurays. I do like the fact it bitstreams the audio with the Bluray app now. I wish other apps had that option.


I'm still using 1080P devices, so I can't comment on the 4K image, but it looked fine to me downconverted.
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I am struggling playing UHD, 4k, HDR discs on my Xbox One S. It either skips, pixelates or just does not load.

I have a 65 in KS800D hooked up to an Xbox One S.

I have been having problems playing UHD, HDR 4k even Bluray discs. They would play but not without stuttering, or color pixelation or will not load at all.

It probably has something to do with Xbox settings? or KS800D settings or maybe even Denon s740h settings.

Can somebody tell me what settings I should have so that I can enjoy a movie without it stopping or stuttering?

Thank you again.
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I am struggling playing UHD, 4k, HDR discs on my Xbox One S. It either skips, pixelates or just does not load.



I have a 65 in KS800D hooked up to an Xbox One S.



I have been having problems playing UHD, HDR 4k even Bluray discs. They would play but not without stuttering, or color pixelation or will not load at all.



It probably has something to do with Xbox settings? or KS800D settings or maybe even Denon s740h settings.



Can somebody tell me what settings I should have so that I can enjoy a movie without it stopping or stuttering?



Thank you again.
You should first hook the Xbox up directly to the TV with nothing else in between and see if you have the issues. That would rule out the Xbox & tv if it plays well..

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You should first hook the Xbox up directly to the TV with nothing else in between and see if you have the issues. That would rule out the Xbox & tv if it plays well..

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I bought a couple of new bluray discs.. they freeze at certain points. This cannot be a cable issue right? I can hear the xbox is spinning.. but it is not advancing.
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I bought a couple of new bluray discs.. they freeze at certain points. This cannot be a cable issue right? I can hear the xbox is spinning.. but it is not advancing.
I doubt its a cable issue but you can try a new cable to rule out a cable issue . Is the Xbox Blu-ray app up to date?

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I doubt its a cable issue but you can try a new cable to rule out a cable issue . Is the Xbox Blu-ray app up to date?

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Yes it is. I am so close to buying a dedicated player. I had a PS3 before and for its price it was a good player. I was kinda hoping that the Xbox would be the same but so far I have been very disappointed.
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Yes it is. I am so close to buying a dedicated player. I had a PS3 before and for its price it was a good player. I was kinda hoping that the Xbox would be the same but so far I have been very disappointed.
Sorry to hear that. I have never had an issue with the bluray player. I have the original x one, an x one s and an x and all work well.

Have you tried a hard reset? With the Xbox on, hold the power button till it turns off then pull the power cord and leave off for 1 minute then plug in and turn on.

Also try a new cable just for a chance the current cable is bad. Make sure it's a cable that can handle 4k uhd

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I bought a couple of new bluray discs.. they freeze at certain points. This cannot be a cable issue right? I can hear the xbox is spinning.. but it is not advancing.
What titles are they? I know the Xbox wont play the earlier UHD BD releases of Oblivion and Lucy.
And a BD drive in a windows computer won't read them either. But the stand alone UHD BD players have no problem playing them.
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Yes it is. I am so close to buying a dedicated player. I had a PS3 before and for its price it was a good player. I was kinda hoping that the Xbox would be the same but so far I have been very disappointed.

This is a bummer. I was hoping Microsoft would figure this out by now with various software updates. I'm reluctant to spend money on products like the Sony x800m2 because they haven't figured out how to auto detect dolby vision content and yet i'm paying somewhere between xbox one s or xbox one x.

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This is a bummer. I was hoping Microsoft would figure this out by now with various software updates. I'm reluctant to spend money on products like the Sony x800m2 because they haven't figured out how to auto detect dolby vision content and yet i'm paying somewhere between xbox one s or xbox one x.
Xbox does Dolby vision for Netflix at this time. Dolby vision for games and uhd discs is being discussed internally but as of yet has not been announced to be coming.

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I am struggling playing UHD, 4k, HDR discs on my Xbox One S. It either skips, pixelates or just does not load.

I have a 65 in KS800D hooked up to an Xbox One S.

I have been having problems playing UHD, HDR 4k even Bluray discs. They would play but not without stuttering, or color pixelation or will not load at all.

It probably has something to do with Xbox settings? or KS800D settings or maybe even Denon s740h settings.

Can somebody tell me what settings I should have so that I can enjoy a movie without it stopping or stuttering?

Thank you again.
Ok I think I am getting somewhere. I adjusted my xBox settings. Maybe it is the limitations of my TV (Samsung KS800D).
Now it says "You TV supports 4k UHD (60Hz.)

It adds: Your TV setup doesn't support 4K 10-bit at 24hz. However, apps can use 4K 8bit if they support it.
Your TV setup doesn't support 4K 10-bit at 50hz. However, apps can use 4K 8bit if they support it.
Your TV setup doesn't support 4K 10-bit at 60hz. However, apps can use 4K 8bit if they support it.

HDR10 for games & apps is turned off. (my Samsung KS800D supposedly has HDR but not HDR10 (?)

Your thoughts?

Btw, I am connected to a Denon s740h AVR.
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Ok I think I am getting somewhere. I adjusted my xBox settings. Maybe it is the limitations of my TV (Samsung KS800D).

Now it says "You TV supports 4k UHD (60Hz.)



It adds: Your TV setup doesn't support 4K 10-bit at 24hz. However, apps can use 4K 8bit if they support it.

Your TV setup doesn't support 4K 10-bit at 50hz. However, apps can use 4K 8bit if they support it.

Your TV setup doesn't support 4K 10-bit at 60hz. However, apps can use 4K 8bit if they support it.



HDR10 for games & apps is turned off. (my Samsung KS800D supposedly has HDR but not HDR10 (?)



Your thoughts?



Btw, I am connected to a Denon s740h AVR.
Couple of questions

Have you enabled deep color mode (or possibly labled hdr) on the HDMI input your using?

Have you tried connecting the Xbox direct to the tv?

Are you sure the HDMI input your using supports hdr / deep color mode?

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Couple of questions

Have you enabled deep color mode (or possibly labled hdr) on the HDMI input your using?

Have you tried connecting the Xbox direct to the tv?

Are you sure the HDMI input your using supports hdr / deep color mode?

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Have you enabled deep color mode (or possibly labled hdr) on the HDMI input your using? YES.

Have you tried connecting the Xbox direct to the tv? No.

Are you sure the HDMI input your using supports hdr / deep color mode? It should. It is the Arc from the TV that says it is HDR.

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On Samsung TV, it is called UHD color and must be enabled per input.

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Ok I think I am getting somewhere. I adjusted my xBox settings. Maybe it is the limitations of my TV (Samsung KS800D).
Now it says "You TV supports 4k UHD (60Hz.)

It adds: Your TV setup doesn't support 4K 10-bit at 24hz. However, apps can use 4K 8bit if they support it.
Your TV setup doesn't support 4K 10-bit at 50hz. However, apps can use 4K 8bit if they support it.
Your TV setup doesn't support 4K 10-bit at 60hz. However, apps can use 4K 8bit if they support it.

HDR10 for games & apps is turned off. (my Samsung KS800D supposedly has HDR but not HDR10 (?)

Your thoughts?

Btw, I am connected to a Denon s740h AVR.
Hi eBalita, check the settings of each components.

Xbox Box S > HDMI > S740H receiver > HDMI > KS800D TV

Using 18Gbps Premium certified HDMI cables between Xbox, receiver and TV

KS800D - Settings > Pictures > Expert Settings > HDMI UHD Color > enable HDMI 1-4
(or Settings > General > External Device Manager > HDMI UHD Color > enable HDMI 1-4)

AVR-S740H - Setting > Vdeo > 4K Signal Format > Enhanced

Xbox One S - Settings > Display & Sound > Video Output > Display Resolution 4K UHD > Video Modes > check boxes for Allow 4K and Allow HDR10 > 4K TV Detail
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From AVR to TV it connects through ARC : Xbox Box S > HDMI > S740H receiver > HDMI > KS800D TV :

YES I AM USING Using 18Gbps Premium certified HDMI cables

KS800D - Settings > Pictures > Expert Settings > HDMI UHD Color > enable HDMI 1-4 : DONE
(or Settings > General > External Device Manager > HDMI UHD Color > enable HDMI 1-4)

AVR-S740H - Setting > Vdeo > 4K Signal Format > Enhanced: DONE

Xbox One S - Settings > Display & Sound > Video Output > Display Resolution 4K UHD > Video Modes > check boxes for Allow 4K and Allow HDR10 > 4K TV Detail: DONE

Movie still hangs. Ordered new cables just in case... Plain Bluray plays with no problems. Just the HDR ones seem to have problems. Any
ideas? The only connection back to the KS8000 is through the ARC is that the problem? Thank you for the responses btw.

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Hey guys, im thinking about getting an xbox one s as an UHD player. Are there any considerable advantages on getting a dedicated UHD Bluray player instead of the xbox you might help me unsterstand?

Also i have a 2016 B6 oled and i understand it cant get dolby vision from the xbox via streaming apps or discs, would this change if i get any other UHD player different to the xbox?

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Is there an official AVS thread for the Xbox One X BD player? I cannot find it.

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Hey guys, im thinking about getting an xbox one s as an UHD player. Are there any considerable advantages on getting a dedicated UHD Bluray player instead of the xbox you might help me unsterstand?

Also i have a 2016 B6 oled and i understand it cant get dolby vision from the xbox via streaming apps or discs, would this change if i get any other UHD player different to the xbox?
No big difference other than the fact you already noticed that Xbox UHD does not support DV on disc playback regardless of the display you connect to (only support stream app DV on a short list of TVs). You can get an LG UHD player with DV support for half the price of Xbox One S.

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There is no difference when it comes to UHD playback between One S and One X. Why would they be a different thread. If you feel the need to have one, by all means start one.
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