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HI all!

I have a C9 OLED as my TV. I am looking for something that can use its full abilities, Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos, etc. I plan to pair a Sonos ARC with it. For now because there are no AVRs with full HDMI 2.1 specs, I am just plugging everything directly into the back of the television.

I feel like there are a couple of players capable of doing Dolby Vision, but I think the Dolby Atmos might be a sticking point. I am looking at the LG UBK90 right now, but it is from 2018. So I am feeling a little worried about buying into it if there is something around the corner.
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HI all!

I have a C9 OLED as my TV. I am looking for something that can use its full abilities, Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos, etc. I plan to pair a Sonos ARC with it. For now because there are no AVRs with full HDMI 2.1 specs, I am just plugging everything directly into the back of the television.

I feel like there are a couple of players capable of doing Dolby Vision, but I think the Dolby Atmos might be a sticking point. I am looking at the LG UBK90 right now, but it is from 2018. So I am feeling a little worried about buying into it if there is something around the corner.
The Panasonic DP-UB9000 should get you covered. It has anything you need, and then some.
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Blue ray capability vs Receiver capability

Hi

I am in the market to buy a 4K player to pair with my Denon XVR-X4500 receiver.

Just wondering what happens when a player does not have a feature but the receiver does.

For example let’s say the player does not have Dolby Atmos or Dolby Vision but the receiver does.

Can I play a disk and get Dolby Atmos and will the receiver process Dolby Vision?

In other words can I get a less feature rich (cheaper) player and rely on the receiver?

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Not sure how it works with video (although it might be similar) but if the player can't decode the audio it must be able to stream it to the AVR for the AVR to decode. If it can't do that, you can't get away with using a "less feature rich (cheaper) player and rely on the receiver".
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Hi

I am in the market to buy a 4K player to pair with my Denon XVR-X4500 receiver.

Just wondering what happens when a player does not have a feature but the receiver does.

For example let’s say the player does not have Dolby Atmos or Dolby Vision but the receiver does.

Can I play a disk and get Dolby Atmos and will the receiver process Dolby Vision?

In other words can I get a less feature rich (cheaper) player and rely on the receiver?

Thanks

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The player just needs to bitstream. Even my ancient Blu-ray Disc players and Popcorn Hour Streamers from 2009 can bitstream an Atmos track with zero issues. There were a bunch of 2K BD titles with Atmos tracks before the studios started putting most of the Atmos tracks on only UHD BD titles.

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To summarize if a player lacks a feature that the receiver has in the end you have it.

Regardless if it is a video or audio feature.

As long as the player can bitstream out.

Correct?


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To summarize if a player lacks a feature that the receiver has in the end you have it.

Regardless if it is a video or audio feature.

As long as the player can bitstream out.

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No (in terms of Dolby Vision). Every link in the chain must be Dolby Vision compatible with the feature present: player, receiver, television, and the cables that connect one to another.
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No (in terms of Dolby Vision). Every link in the chain must be Dolby Vision compatible with the feature present: player, receiver, television, and the cables that connect one to another.
One proviso to that, special HDMI cables are not needed for Dolby Vision. That won't change 'til 12-bit TV panels.

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To summarize if a player lacks a feature that the receiver has in the end you have it.

Regardless if it is a video or audio feature.

As long as the player can bitstream out.

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For audio, yes. But video is a different beast.

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One proviso to that, special HDMI cables are not needed for Dolby Vision. That won't change 'til 12-bit TV panels.
True; there aren't special Dolby Vision HDMI cables, but you also can't just use the standard HDMI cables that worked with DVD. You must have premium certified cables that will carry HDR and/or Dolby Vision signals properly. That was the point I was trying to make.
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The Panasonic DP-UB9000 should get you covered. It has anything you need, and then some.
Thanks for the suggestion! I have been trying to find it and Amazon isn't yielding anything. Where did you find yours? I am in the United States if that changes anything....
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Thanks for the suggestion! I have been trying to find it and Amazon isn't yielding anything. Where did you find yours? I am in the United States if that changes anything....
I don't have the DP-UB9000. I went with the DP-UB820, for reasons that I am not allowed to talk about on this forum.
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True; there aren't special Dolby Vision HDMI cables, but you also can't just use the standard HDMI cables that worked with DVD. You must have premium certified cables that will carry HDR and/or Dolby Vision signals properly. That was the point I was trying to make.
18 Gbps (Category 2), "premium certified" or not.

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Thanks for the suggestion! I have been trying to find it and Amazon isn't yielding anything. Where did you find yours? I am in the United States if that changes anything....
Panasonic UB9000 is showing in stock at Value Electronics website.

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Panasonic UB9000 is showing in stock at Value Electronics website.
I see it! How does that compare against LG's own UBK90 ?

I am pairing this with an LG OLED. Is their an appreciable difference between the two HDR video players that will be reflected in my particular television? I am directly connecting it to the TV because I can't find any 2.1 AVRs and I plan to have the audio routed to a Sonos Arc.
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I see it{Panasonic UB9000}! How does that compare against LG's own UBK90 ?

I am pairing this with an LG OLED. Is their an appreciable difference between the two HDR video players that will be reflected in my particular television? I am directly connecting it to the TV because I can't find any 2.1 AVRs and I plan to have the audio routed to a Sonos Arc.
Toyota v Ferrari.

Related reviews:

https://hometheaterreview.com/lg-ubk...ayer-reviewed/

https://hometheaterreview.com/panaso...ly%20available.

You may need something between "Toyota" and "Ferrari", such as Panasonic UB820 (review link below).

https://h-m-entertainment.com/panasonic-dp-ub820-review

Specs for everything can be seen under Bluray Players links at Value Electronics.

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uhd player for NX-7

Hey fellas,
My oppo 103D is in the process of dying. Right now it won't play videos I expect audio playback to fail next.
I am in the process of upgrading from my vizio 1080p to JVC NX-7.
I have dvd-a and sacd's and also need region free playback for international guests and I buy many 3D bluray discs from europe.
I really wanna maximize the video and am a bit confused as to where all the processing can or should take place (like upscaling/hdr/dolby vision/tone mapping)
With that in mind and the recent firmware updates to the nx-7 would I be best with:
Sony UBP-X800M2 / UBP - X1100ES
or
Panasonic DP-UB820/420 ?

I realize the sony is the only multiformat player and would prefer to have just a single unit, but if the benefits on the video of pannys are that substantial I could get two if it would be worthwhile.

Secondly, I only use HDMI so no need for analog inputs. I also use Apple TV 4K.

Important movies I rent or buy physically, but do stream as well. I just wanna get the most out of UHD now that I am making the jump.

Screen format will be 16:9 and I use subtitles regularly and like the idea of being able to shift and or adjust brightness also.

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Hey fellas,
My oppo 103D is in the process of dying. Right now it won't play videos I expect audio playback to fail next.
I am in the process of upgrading from my vizio 1080p to JVC NX-7.
I have dvd-a and sacd's and also need region free playback for international guests and I buy many 3D bluray discs from europe.
I really wanna maximize the video and am a bit confused as to where all the processing can or should take place (like upscaling/hdr/dolby vision/tone mapping)
With that in mind and the recent firmware updates to the nx-7 would I be best with:
Sony UBP-X800M2 / UBP - X1100ES
or
Panasonic DP-UB820/420 ?

I realize the sony is the only multiformat player and would prefer to have just a single unit, but if the benefits on the video of pannys are that substantial I could get two if it would be worthwhile.

Secondly, I only use HDMI so no need for analog inputs. I also use Apple TV 4K.

Important movies I rent or buy physically, but do stream as well. I just wanna get the most out of UHD now that I am making the jump.

Screen format will be 16:9 and I use subtitles regularly and like the idea of being able to shift and or adjust brightness also.

Regards,
Not uncommon that you'll likely need two players for optimum projector use, DVD-As, HDRs, SACDs, etc. Panasonic and Sony. Their supposed tops in each line: Panasonic UB9000; Sony X1100ES. For fewer dollars, underlings Panasonic UB820 and Sony X800M2 would probably suffice.

To avoid getting two players, Pioneer may do the trick. If interested, research their UDP-LX500, and UDP-LX800. These players are expensive and have sporadic availability. Don't know if one or either work well with projectors.

For any of the above, owner threads are available at AVSForum for more information, as are online reviews/tests.

No manufacturer makes all-region players.

Good luck, have fun, stay safe.

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Panson,
Thank you for the informational and quick reply.
I knew about the pioneer models, but as you said they have "sporadic availability" (one place is saying 'backordered shipping in2-4weeks maybe).

I should have collected my thoughts a bit more before posting and I wasn't sure which subforum would be the best place for my questions.

Panasonic seems to be preferred for projectors because of the tone mapping. I like the multiplayer capability of the sony models.

With the recent firmware updates including tone mapping in the NX-7 I was wondering where the best place to have that done is...in the player or the projector?
I was also wondering about all the other processing HDR/SDR/Dolby vision and upscaling. Is that best done in the player or projector?
I understand no manufacturer makes region free models but there are "work arounds" (mods) that are effective.

and I guess lastly...If I would be able to tell a difference with my 49 year old eyes or is this whole process just academic for me

Which is a way of asking if anybody has compared the models and seen a noticeable difference?
It is so easy for me to get caught up in the specs that require a laboratory and specialized equipment to measure and if they are "close" performance wise the sony models are so reasonably priced I would just pick one and be done.

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Need a multiplayer that won't break the bank?

Is there any multiplayer that would also play all media files formats (audio and video) that won't be too expensive? Lets say than $500.
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Hey fellas,
My oppo 103D is in the process of dying. Right now it won't play videos I expect audio playback to fail next.
I am in the process of upgrading from my vizio 1080p to JVC NX-7.
I have dvd-a and sacd's and also need region free playback for international guests and I buy many 3D bluray discs from europe.
I really wanna maximize the video and am a bit confused as to where all the processing can or should take place (like upscaling/hdr/dolby vision/tone mapping)
With that in mind and the recent firmware updates to the nx-7 would I be best with:
Sony UBP-X800M2 / UBP - X1100ES
or
Panasonic DP-UB820/420 ?

I realize the sony is the only multiformat player and would prefer to have just a single unit, but if the benefits on the video of pannys are that substantial I could get two if it would be worthwhile.

Secondly, I only use HDMI so no need for analog inputs. I also use Apple TV 4K.

Important movies I rent or buy physically, but do stream as well. I just wanna get the most out of UHD now that I am making the jump.

Screen format will be 16:9 and I use subtitles regularly and like the idea of being able to shift and or adjust brightness also.

Regards,
Just some advice, separate from the request for a UHD player recommendation. The 103D has a separate laser for BD reading, which is probably what died. You probably know, but Oppo is still servicing the players, so getting it fixed by them is comparatively inexpensive (about 100), so you can have a functioning player that will play all of your formats.

That gives you several options - you can have the best straight bluray and DVD player available, with an HDMI input and still play your formats, or you can sell it for about what you originally paid - especially for the Darbee version, which you have.

You might want to get a UHD player in addition to the 103d, or use the sale of the 103D to pay for part of the new player. I have a 103D and a 203, the 103D is still slightly better for bluray due to the Darbee (in my estimation).

Getting it fixed while they're still doing it will pay off if you keep it or sell it afterwards.
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Hernanu,
Thanks so much for the advice.
I recently came to the same conclusion. When I realized Oppo was still doing repairs. When I do sell it, I expect it will be to somebody who will use it for ripping (which I never did)
I was reading up on the 103d forum last night and learned that unplugging the unit sometimes helps with system bugs and it did!
So, as you suggested I am in the market for simply the best und player for the nx-7.
Seems to me like that is the Panasonic 820.
I have looked and I can’t see anything that the 9000 offers that would be advantageous to me. I will only be using HDMI cables. With the small(ish) profile I will be able to stack it on my 103D.
Prior to this I was really studying the pioneer 500 series also. It just seems to me that Panasonic really did what it took to please the home theater projector crowd on this latest line of players.

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Hello - please forgive me as I'm old and dumb. I've been looking at the Panasonic DP-UB9000 vs. the Sony UBP-X1000ES. I understand the audio-based differences between the 2 players and the trade-offs involved. However, when it comes to the differences, if any, in regards to the video features or performance I get completely lost. I thought 4K/UHD (4K and UHD are the same thing, right? See what I mean ....) was just 4K, but then I see references to HDR(?) and Dolby Vision(?) and my head begins to spin and I feel faint. I just don't get it.


Can anyone just tell me if there are any significant differences between these 2 players in terms of video features or performance and if one is just plain better overall in that regard? Like you're explaining it to a 5 year old (or someone really old!).



I just want to be able to pop in a 4K blu-ray disc and play the damn thing and be confident I'm getting the best picture possible - LOL!


I should mention I'm looking at those 2 players specifically because I like the audio versatility and options to plug them into a higher-end, hi-fi set-up if I wanted to. I was a big fan of the higher-end Oppo players for that same reason before. I think these 2 boxes are also about equivalent in regards to streaming, Wi-Fi connectivity/networking, which is nice but not as important to me. Also, the difference in price doesn't matter to me.


I guess I should also add, finally - Is there another 4K blu-ray player(s) out there that is even better than either the DP-UB9000 or UBP-X1000ES? At any price. Is there another player or technological advance in the near-term (like, 6 month) pipeline that would make you want to delay making any purchase and not get either the DP-UB9000 or UBP-X1000ES at this point?


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Looking for recommendations for a Dolby Vision capable player. I'm currently running the original X800 that I bought two years ago before I even had a 4K TV. I was just trying to upgrade a 9 year old Sony s550 and wanted to be able to play downscaled 4K discs for more access to Atmos/DTS:X content. I've upgraded to a DV capable OLED though and would like to upgrade the player to match. I'm hoping to keep the price "reasonable" though. Around the 250-300 mark.

I was looking at the Sony X700 or the LG UBK90. I thought I read that the X700 DV has to be manually turned on though and I'm not even sure how you'd know if the disc supports it? I also read that at one point the UBK90 had to be manually toggled between 24p/60p but this might have been a firmware bug. If so is this fixed?

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Pansen and Hernanu,
Thank you again for your advice It was very experienced and thoughtful as well as helpful. I had to change the way I was thinking (like it was 10 years ago). Obviously I find myself clinging on to SACD and DVD-A for a non-practical reason. I realize the changes are coming (have come). I came across a post under a Panasonic 9000 review that really cleared things up for me even more:

"Kudos to S&V for continuing to review source components and thanks for having Tom Norton do the write up. I'm amused by criticisms posted here related to SACD or DVD audio; those formats failed because they were not widely accepted and Panasonic's decision to not support them only affects the small and shrinking number of consumers that did."-submitted by mns3hdm.

Funny how I failed to realize how unhappy I was to "miss the boat" with the oppo 20x series" and was scouring eBay and everywhere else looking to pay a lot of money for a piece of legacy gear.
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Now I find myself wanting the 9000 because it may very well be the last best well made uhd player before even Panny leaves the market. Seems strange to me, other than wanting the best audio...and 3D that I can get (presumably from physical media), I think I Streaming is the present and the future. But, I do have a family video in my town, so I can still rent uhd disks for a good price. I plan on just buying a handful of "reference quality ones" and of course 3D media.

Ultimate video playback was what I wanted, seems like with a nx-7 the panny offers that. I have audio in the 103D.
Speaking of which, can I send it in for a "tune up" or "refurb" service?
The glitch with video playback I was having seems to have disappeared...but I would like to get it checked out for peace of mind and perhaps eventual sale?
If Oppo won't just "go through it" is there a common problem or something I could describe that might get a thorough test done on it and identify if anything is beginning to fail?

My max 510 reciver is dated (waiting for new Anthem release or sweet price on used 1120). What would be the best way to hook up the 9000 to my current set up? Audio to Anthem and Video direct to NX-7 or run it through the receiver as well?


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I have audio in the 103D.
Speaking of which, can I send it in for a "tune up" or "refurb" service?
The glitch with video playback I was having seems to have disappeared...but I would like to get it checked out for peace of mind and perhaps eventual sale?
If Oppo won't just "go through it" is there a common problem or something I could describe that might get a thorough test done on it and identify if anything is beginning to fail?
OPPO is still doing fixed-price service. Contact then with your details and they may give you diagnostic steps, or give you price and arrangements for sending it in: https://www.oppodigital.com/ContactUs.aspx?CatID=1

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thank you Bill,
I will follow your directions and link directly.

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Looking for recommendations for a Dolby Vision capable player. I'm currently running the original X800 that I bought two years ago before I even had a 4K TV. I was just trying to upgrade a 9 year old Sony s550 and wanted to be able to play downscaled 4K discs for more access to Atmos/DTS:X content. I've upgraded to a DV capable OLED though and would like to upgrade the player to match. I'm hoping to keep the price "reasonable" though. Around the 250-300 mark.

I was looking at the Sony X700 or the LG UBK90. I thought I read that the X700 DV has to be manually turned on though and I'm not even sure how you'd know if the disc supports it? I also read that at one point the UBK90 had to be manually toggled between 24p/60p but this might have been a firmware bug. If so is this fixed?
Anyone have any input on this? Is it even worth it to change it up just for Dolby Vision?

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I remember something like that with the LG. It's why I didn't consider it when I got my Philips. And the manual DV with Sony was why I didn't go that route.

But Best Buy was allowing me to get any of their DV players they sold for only $75 because of their screw ups with my order. And at the time, they only sold the LG, Sony, and Philips. So the Philips was really my only option since not having an auto switch between 24P and 60P is stupid. And not having an automatic switch to DV is stupid. ANd the Philips did not have either of those issues.

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I remember something like that with the LG. It's why I didn't consider it when I got my Philips. And the manual DV with Sony was why I didn't go that route.

But Best Buy was allowing me to get any of their DV players they sold for only $75 because of their screw ups with my order. And at the time, they only sold the LG, Sony, and Philips. So the Philips was really my only option since not having an auto switch between 24P and 60P is stupid. And not having an automatic switch to DV is stupid. ANd the Philips did not have either of those issues.
Hmmm, I can't seem to find that model still for sale Sounds like I might have to go to the more $$$ Panasonic DP-UB820 though one of my local Best Buy's has an open box for 299 vs its current 399 sale price. Of course not going to be getting anything for at least a couple of weeks as I just blew all the $$$ on the new OLED lol.

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