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post #1021 of 2360 Old 01-17-2018, 08:10 AM
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I have an LG 7 series OLED tv. Is it worth it to spend the extra $300 for the Dolby Vision support the 203 has over the X800?

I guess my real question would be is Dolby Vision that much better than HDR?

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I know if I had a Dolby Vision capable set, then I would want to have a Dolby Vision capable UHD BD player. To be able to take full advantage of the TVs capabilities.

less expensive DV capable BD players will be out later this year.

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I have an LG 7 series OLED tv. Is it worth it to spend the extra $300 for the Dolby Vision support the 203 has over the X800?

I guess my real question would be is Dolby Vision that much better than HDR?

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If you can wait, the Sony X700 will get DV.
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Is there a player that can force/convert output to 4k24 4:2:2 for both UHD discs and 4k60 HDR apps?

I'm looking to upgrade my projector to an Epson HC 4000 or 5040 and they can only do HDR for 4k24 4:2:2 due to HDMI input bandwidth restrictions.

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Is there a player that can force/convert output to 4k24 4:2:2 for both UHD discs and 4k60 HDR apps?



I'm looking to upgrade my projector to an Epson HC 4000 or 5040 and they can only do HDR for 4k24 4:2:2 due to HDMI input bandwidth restrictions.


The Sony x800 will do 24hz from Netflix hdr. It doesn’t support amazon hdr or vudu etc. all players will be 24hz when playing discs. You can force the x800 to output 4:2:2 @ 12bit.

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The Sony x800 will do 24hz from Netflix hdr. It doesn’t support amazon hdr or vudu etc. all players will be 24hz when playing discs. You can force the x800 to output 4:2:2 @ 12bit.
Thanks for the feedback. It looks like the Samsung K8500 will as well, and will do so for both Netflix and Amazon. I'm leaning that way since I can grab one for $65 locally.

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Thanks for the feedback. It looks like the Samsung K8500 will as well, and will do so for both Netflix and Amazon. I'm leaning that way since I can grab one for $65 locally.
Do note that the k8500 is 60hz 10bit 4:4:4 at the home screen.

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Do note that the k8500 is 60hz 10bit 4:4:4 at the home screen.
Thanks for the heads up... though I'm guessing it default to SDR when the HC4000 reports back that 4k60 4:4:4 is not a compatible signal/format. Thoughts?

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Thanks for the heads up... though I'm guessing it default to SDR when the HC4000 reports back that 4k60 4:4:4 is not a compatible signal/format. Thoughts?


All I know is when it released there were many JVC RS400 owners complaining about no picture until the disc starts.

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Seems like there was a K8500 software/firmware update that enabled the forced 4K24 4:2:2 output and this post seems to verify the appropriate settings on the player... this definitely occurred well after the release of both the K8500 and the RS400 (see the late-September 2017 post date).

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Seems like there was a K8500 software/firmware update that enabled the forced 4K24 4:2:2 output and this post seems to verify the appropriate settings on the player... this definitely occurred well after the release of both the K8500 and the RS400 (see the late-September 2017 post date).

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/68-dig...l#post54870898
If that includes the main home screen before you start a disc or any apps then great. I no longer own a K8500.

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Recently, on a different thread here I got my setup for a 7.1.4 figured out. After a bit of looking I discovered that my Sony BDP-S6700 is NOT Atmos compatible (I e-mailed Sony directly). SOOOOO, down another rabbit hole. Here is what I currently have (and what is on order)

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I don't THINK the Samsung UN65KU6300 is capable of DV, but it is UHD. After turning my feeble mind to mush reading as much of this as I could digest, I have it down to these (within a $200 budget):

Sony UBP-X800
Sony UBP-X700
Samsung UBD-M8500
Panasonic UB820

My main concern was the Atmos, but we also currently stream Netflix and Amazon through the TV. From what I read here it is better to run that through the Blu-Ray player. Anything else I should be considering?

Thanks again!
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Recently, on a different thread here I got my setup for a 7.1.4 figured out. After a bit of looking I discovered that my Sony BDP-S6700 is NOT Atmos compatible (I e-mailed Sony directly). SOOOOO, down another rabbit hole. Here is what I currently have (and what is on order)

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Polk Audio Signature S30 American HiFi Home Theater Center Speaker x 4
Polk Audio MC80 High Performance In-Ceiling Speaker
SVS PB12-NSD Black Ash 12-inch 400 Watt Powered Subwoofer

I don't THINK the Samsung UN65KU6300 is capable of DV, but it is UHD. After turning my feeble mind to mush reading as much of this as I could digest, I have it down to these (within a $200 budget):

Sony UBP-X800
Sony UBP-X700
Samsung UBD-M8500
Panasonic UB820

My main concern was the Atmos, but we also currently stream Netflix and Amazon through the TV. From what I read here it is better to run that through the Blu-Ray player. Anything else I should be considering?

Thanks again!
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What do you mean not Atmos compatible? Even my old S6500 and even older S5100 Sony BD players are Atmos compatible. They have no problem bitstreaming the Atmos tracks from 2k BDs.

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I have a Vizio E60U-D3 and Onkyo TX-545. Now I am looking to add a player. I have looked at many but I feel like I have narrowed down to Samsung UBD-M9500, Sony UBP-X800, and Sony UBP-X700...but open to other suggestions. $350 is max.

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Hi I am a newbie here.

My goal is to have play blu rays upconverted to "4k". (I believe its 2160 resolution for unconverted blu ray movies)
I have a Samsung MU6290 and a regular blu ray player. Does my television up convert to 2160 with the regualr blu ray player? Or would I need to purchase a 4k blu ray player with this up-converting feature.

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Hi I am a newbie here.

My goal is to have play blu rays upconverted to "4k". (I believe its 2160 resolution for unconverted blu ray movies)
I have a Samsung MU6290 and a regular blu ray player. Does my television up convert to 2160 with the regualr blu ray player? Or would I need to purchase a 4k blu ray player with this up-converting feature.

Thanks in advance!
Displays will always scale standard Blu-rays to match the native resolution of the display, in this case 3840x2160. Players can also scale standard Blu-ray to 3840x2160.
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Hi I am a newbie here.

My goal is to have play blu rays upconverted to "4k". (I believe its 2160 resolution for unconverted blu ray movies)
I have a Samsung MU6290 and a regular blu ray player. Does my television up convert to 2160 with the regualr blu ray player? Or would I need to purchase a 4k blu ray player with this up-converting feature.

Thanks in advance!
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All displays will scale input video to their native resolution. You do not need a UHD player to upscale regular Blu-ray.

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Displays will always scale standard Blu-rays to match the native resolution of the display, in this case 3840x2160. Players can also scale standard Blu-ray to 3840x2160.
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All displays will scale input video to their native resolution. You do not need a UHD player to upscale regular Blu-ray.

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I have a Vizio E60U-D3 and Onkyo TX-545. Now I am looking to add a player. I have looked at many but I feel like I have narrowed down to Samsung UBD-M9500, Sony UBP-X800, and Sony UBP-X700...but open to other suggestions. $350 is max.

Thanks for your input.

Looking to purchase this weekend, any advice on my situation above?
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Looking to purchase this weekend, any advice on my situation above?


The Sony x800 is much better built than the Samsung. The x700 is something we don’t know about yet u til it’s officially released so we can’t really say there.

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The Sony x800 is much better built than the Samsung. The x700 is something we don’t know about yet u til it’s officially released so we can’t really say there.


Thanks for the help and input. I went ahead a purchased the X800.
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CANADIAN UHD BD players that have Amazon video app

Our Canadian Samsung K8500s do not presently have the Amazon Video app, nor do I think they ever will. I understand that neither does the Canadian Sony UBP-X800.

Which, if any, Canadian UHD BD players have the Amazon Video app originally on board or able to be downloaded?

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I’ve been told the Samsung M9500 has it from 2017. Hopefully the new Panasonic UB820 has it as that’s the player I’m getting this year.
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Our Canadian Samsung K8500s do not presently have the Amazon Video app, nor do I think they ever will. I understand that neither does the Canadian Sony UBP-X800.

Which, if any, Canadian UHD BD players have the Amazon Video app originally on board or able to be downloaded?

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What do you mean not Atmos compatible? Even my old S6500 and even older S5100 Sony BD players are Atmos compatible. They have no problem bitstreaming the Atmos tracks from 2k BDs.
Interesting. When I e-mailed Sony directly about Atmos compatability on my Sony BDP-S6700, this is what I got back:

Hello Russ,
Thank you for contacting Sony Video and Sound Support. We apologize for the inconvenience caused.
Based on the information you provided, we understand that you want to know whether Blu-ray player which you are referring to does support Dolby Atmos & DTS:X.
Well, the Blu-ray player with model number BDPS6700 does not support Dolby Atmos & DTS:X. However, it only supports Dolby® TrueHD and dts®-Master Audio.
All the information, updates and answers about your product and all Sony products can be found at https://esupport.sony.com.
For additional support if needed, please feel free to write back to us or contact us by chat by clicking on "Contact Support" on the link above.
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That is why I was confused.

I just did a search in my manual for Bitstream and came up with this:


The HD Audio (Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, and DTS-HD Master Audio) is not output by bitstream.
Set [BD Audio MIX Setting] in [Audio Settings] to [Off] (page 31).
Check that the connected AV amplifier (receiver) is compatible with each HD Audio format.




FROM PAGE 31:

[BD Audio MIX Setting]
[On]: Outputs the audio obtained by mixing the interactive and secondary audio to the primary audio.
[Off]: Outputs the primary audio only.
Select this to output HD audio signals to an AV amplifier (receiver).



If that is the case, given my setup, is there a compelling case to upgrade to any of these?
Sony UBP-X800
Sony UBP-X700
Samsung UBD-M8500
Panasonic UB820


My Setup:
Samsung UN65KU6300 65-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV (2016 Model)
Polk Signature S60 American HiFi Home Theater Tower Speaker (Pair, Black)
Denon AVRX4300H 9.2 Channel Full 4K Ultra HD AV Receiver
Polk Audio Signature S10 American HiFi Home Theater Compact Satellite Surround Speaker (Pair) (SIDES)
Polk Audio Signature S15 American HiFi Home Theater Compact Bookshelf Speaker (Pair) (REAR)
Polk Audio Signature S30 American HiFi Home Theater Center Speaker x 4
Polk Audio MC80 High Performance In-Ceiling Speaker
SVS PB12-NSD Black Ash 12-inch 400 Watt Powered Subwoofer


Thanks again!
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Interesting. When I e-mailed Sony directly about Atmos compatability on my Sony BDP-S6700, this is what I got back:

Hello Russ,
Thank you for contacting Sony Video and Sound Support. We apologize for the inconvenience caused.
Based on the information you provided, we understand that you want to know whether Blu-ray player which you are referring to does support Dolby Atmos & DTS:X.
Well, the Blu-ray player with model number BDPS6700 does not support Dolby Atmos & DTS:X. However, it only supports Dolby® TrueHD and dts®-Master Audio.
All the information, updates and answers about your product and all Sony products can be found at https://esupport.sony.com.
For additional support if needed, please feel free to write back to us or contact us by chat by clicking on "Contact Support" on the link above.
Our hours are Monday to Sunday 8am to midnight ET.
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That is why I was confused.

I just did a search in my manual for Bitstream and came up with this:


The HD Audio (Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD High Resolution Audio, and DTS-HD Master Audio) is not output by bitstream.
Set [BD Audio MIX Setting] in [Audio Settings] to [Off] (page 31).
Check that the connected AV amplifier (receiver) is compatible with each HD Audio format.




FROM PAGE 31:

[BD Audio MIX Setting]
[On]: Outputs the audio obtained by mixing the interactive and secondary audio to the primary audio.
[Off]: Outputs the primary audio only.
Select this to output HD audio signals to an AV amplifier (receiver).



If that is the case, given my setup, is there a compelling case to upgrade to any of these?
Sony UBP-X800
Sony UBP-X700
Samsung UBD-M8500
Panasonic UB820


My Setup:
Samsung UN65KU6300 65-Inch 4K Ultra HD Smart LED TV (2016 Model)
Polk Signature S60 American HiFi Home Theater Tower Speaker (Pair, Black)
Denon AVRX4300H 9.2 Channel Full 4K Ultra HD AV Receiver
Polk Audio Signature S10 American HiFi Home Theater Compact Satellite Surround Speaker (Pair) (SIDES)
Polk Audio Signature S15 American HiFi Home Theater Compact Bookshelf Speaker (Pair) (REAR)
Polk Audio Signature S30 American HiFi Home Theater Center Speaker x 4
Polk Audio MC80 High Performance In-Ceiling Speaker
SVS PB12-NSD Black Ash 12-inch 400 Watt Powered Subwoofer


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Your current ATMOS speaker configuration isn't being fully utilized and upgrading to any of the 4K UHD players you listed will give you ATMOS sound from ATMOS discs. I'm assuming that you made a typo and you have 4 ceiling speakers (not 4 Center speakers)

ATMOS is also available from select Netflix titles, unfortunately your hardware doesn't currently support it though. It's only available via the Netflix app on Xbox One (or higher) and the 2017 LG OLEDs

If you can wait, I'd wait for the Sony UBP-X700 to give you some future proofing for Dolby Vision even though none of your current equipment supports Dolby Vision. Otherwise the Sony UBP-X800 is widely considered the best bang for buck 4K UHD player.
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Your current ATMOS speaker configuration isn't being fully utilized and upgrading to any of the 4K UHD players you listed will give you ATMOS sound from ATMOS discs. I'm assuming that you made a typo and you have 4 ceiling speakers (not 4 Center speakers)
I need to proof my stuff better! LOL! Yes, 1 x center, 4 x ceiling.

Can you explain what you mean by "Your current ATMOS speaker configuration isn't being fully utilized?" I assume that changing the bitstream on my Sony BDP-S6700 is just a band-aid? What is the difference in a TRUE ATMOS player and changing the bitstream on my Sony BDP-S6700?

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That is OK I guess.

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Any idea as to the release date of the Sony UBP-X700? The speakers on my list won't be installed until it warms up a bit. Don't want to freeze crawling around in the attic running wires! :-) So I can wait a bit. Till Spring anyway.

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I need to proof my stuff better! LOL! Yes, 1 x center, 4 x ceiling.

Can you explain what you mean by "Your current ATMOS speaker configuration isn't being fully utilized?" I assume that changing the bitstream on my Sony BDP-S6700 is just a band-aid? What is the difference in a TRUE ATMOS player and changing the bitstream on my Sony BDP-S6700?



That is OK I guess.



Any idea as to the release date of the Sony UBP-X700? The speakers on my list won't be installed until it warms up a bit. Don't want to freeze crawling around in the attic running wires! :-) So I can wait a bit. Till Spring anyway.

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I just meant that you have an ATMOS capable speaker setup and you're not taking advantage of it at the moment. However I didn't realize that you don't have the ceiling speakers installed yet. All the more reason to wait for the new Sony UHD player, as you won't gain anything significant over your current Sony player until the speakers are fully configured.
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First off, sorry if this seems repetitive. Just trying to wrap my mind around it. :-)

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I just meant that you have an ATMOS capable speaker setup and you're not taking advantage of it at the moment. However I didn't realize that you don't have the ceiling speakers installed yet. All the more reason to wait for the new Sony UHD player, as you won't gain anything significant over your current Sony player until the speakers are fully configured.

OK, Last questions (I think). IF I had all of the speakers installed and functioning (7.1.4), what difference would I notice by singularly setting the bitstream on my Sony BDP-S6700 vs just swapping out the Sony UBP-X700 as it relates to ATMOS enabled movies? I was slightly confused, example below, as to if there would be a difference.


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What do you mean not Atmos compatible? Even my old S6500 and even older S5100 Sony BD players are Atmos compatible. They have no problem bitstreaming the Atmos tracks from 2k BDs.
Simply put, with a 7.1.4 system, if I watch John Wick (or name your favorite ATMOS movie) on Blu-Ray with the bitstream on my Sony BDP-S6700 vs just swapping out the Sony UBP-X700, is there a big difference in the playing of the portions of the movie that utilize ATMOS? Given what I have invested in my current system, I don't mind spending $200-$300 on the Sony UBP-X700. Just curious as to the performance difference.

Finally, has anybody seen a release date on the Sony UBP-X700?

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Don't want to freeze crawling around in the attic running wires! :-) So I can wait a bit. Till Spring anyway.
Have you been up in the attic recently? I'm not exactly in the arctic, but it can get chilly here and I recently ran wiring for rear surrounds that took me into my attic and it was actually pretty comfortable! I was surprised at how warm it was up there when the outside temps were in the 50s during the daytime. Granted, I'll be Iowa is a bit colder than Kalifornia.....

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First off, sorry if this seems repetitive. Just trying to wrap my mind around it. :-)




OK, Last questions (I think). IF I had all of the speakers installed and functioning (7.1.4), what difference would I notice by singularly setting the bitstream on my Sony BDP-S6700 vs just swapping out the Sony UBP-X700 as it relates to ATMOS enabled movies? I was slightly confused, example below, as to if there would be a difference.




Simply put, with a 7.1.4 system, if I watch John Wick (or name your favorite ATMOS movie) on Blu-Ray with the bitstream on my Sony BDP-S6700 vs just swapping out the Sony UBP-X700, is there a big difference in the playing of the portions of the movie that utilize ATMOS? Given what I have invested in my current system, I don't mind spending $200-$300 on the Sony UBP-X700. Just curious as to the performance difference.

Finally, has anybody seen a release date on the Sony UBP-X700?

Thanks again,
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I don't know what @aaronwt is referring to, perhaps he can weigh in. In looking at the specs for both your Sony BDP-S6700 and his old BDP-S6500, neither of them mention support for audio beyond Dolby True HD. I know that for my Xbox One S, I need to enable bitstream out and to let my AVR handle the decoding in order to output ATMOS sound from UHD discs. But my understanding is that the player itself still needs to support ATMOS, in order to get ATMOS.

Furthermore I noticed that your BDP-S6700 upscales to 4K and does not play native UHD discs. Therefore you'll be gaining video and audio advantages (as far as I know) by upgrading to a newer Sony player. Additionally, most ATMOS tracks are only available on the UHD version although there are some exceptions which are available on Blu Ray.

If you're up for doing a little test, what you could do is hookup all your speakers without actually installing them in the ceiling. Then test an ATMOS blu ray disc to see if it triggers the ATMOS indicator on your Denon AVR on screen display. You'll need to ensure that your speaker configuration is setup properly for ATMOS in your Denon speaker settings as well.

To answer your performance question, and assuming that just enabling bitstream out doesn't give you true ATMOS performance. True ATMOS will give you uncompressed 3D height effects to your surround sound that you wouldn't get with "ordinary" True HD. True HD will give you standard surround sound, uncompressed which is still great but it would be missing the height effects.

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