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I'm in the market for a UHD player. After some research, I'm considering just buying the xbox one X. I will use it for limited gaming.

Is there much that a dedicated UHD player does that the xbox won't do? The other option is just buying the Sony UBP-X800. Thanks.
Same -- is there a spreadsheet or something that lists what has what?

I am thinking about Xbox One X -- but read (from a review in December) that it does not have HDR 10 or Dolby Vision support. Is that still the case (no firmware upgrade)?

Also considering Sony UBP-X800 -- does it (will it) have Dolby Vision support?

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Same -- is there a spreadsheet or something that lists what has what?

I am thinking about Xbox One X -- but read (from a review in December) that it does not have HDR 10 or Dolby Vision support. Is that still the case (no firmware upgrade)?

Also considering Sony UBP-X800 -- does it (will it) have Dolby Vision support?

Thanks!
I'm found this, just reading through it now....

https://www.windowscentral.com/diffe...d-dolby-vision


It's my understanding that the xbox supports HDR 10, but not dolby vision.

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The Xbox one s and x both do hdr10 but there are some gripes. The drive is loud and during some scenes in movies you can hear it. Also the interface is pretty cumbersome and I think stand alone players simply do their job better.

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I'm in the market for a UHD player. After some research, I'm considering just buying the xbox one X. I will use it for limited gaming.

Is there much that a dedicated UHD player does that the xbox won't do? The other option is just buying the Sony UBP-X800. Thanks.
The only thing missing from the Xbox One X is Dolby Vision, and only the OPPO players and the Cambridge Audio player currently offer that. The XB1X also will provide Netflix Atmos sound, which no other player provides (other than the Xbox One S, Xbox One).

However the menu interface on the XBox as a disc player is cumbersome.
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Anyone have opinions on the LG UP870? I was going to buy the Sony X800 to downscale to 1080p but I don't need the streaming or WiFi or anything since I have a Roku. Is it worth the $50 to still go with the X800?
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Anyone have opinions on the LG UP870? I was going to buy the Sony X800 to downscale to 1080p but I don't need the streaming or WiFi or anything since I have a Roku. Is it worth the $50 to still go with the X800?
You can get the LG for $49 on slickdeals, and the Sony X80 (warehouse version of the X800) for $129. The Sony is far superior but if you are just looking for downscaling of 4K discs to 1080P the LG will do the job
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Anyone have opinions on the LG UP870? I was going to buy the Sony X800 to downscale to 1080p but I don't need the streaming or WiFi or anything since I have a Roku. Is it worth the $50 to still go with the X800?
Considering I can pick up the LG UP870 for $80, I guess I'll do that for now. No DV yet and also apparently highly unlikely but for $80 it's fine and it supports 3D as a bonus.

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We're, what, 3 years into affordable consumer-priced 4k, yet the problems are still legion. When someone comes up with a high-quality player/streamer that does it all, cost be damned, it'll fly off the shelves.
It just kind of screams HTPC, doesn't it? I will have to build a custom HTPC for this purpose, since my current solutions highest bandwidth option is HDMI 1.2, IIRC. The nice thing about HTPCs is you can mod and add/configure to your heart's content, provided you wish to do those things. Mine's been upgraded once (software) in the past 5 years and took all of a few hours to complete. I could drop in a 4K player into this, but it seems more effort to get that working well than it's worth - I'm ok with occasionally dropping a disk into a player.
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It just kind of screams HTPC, doesn't it? I will have to build a custom HTPC for this purpose, since my current solutions highest bandwidth option is HDMI 1.2, IIRC. The nice thing about HTPCs is you can mod and add/configure to your heart's content, provided you wish to do those things. Mine's been upgraded once (software) in the past 5 years and took all of a few hours to complete. I could drop in a 4K player into this, but it seems more effort to get that working well than it's worth - I'm ok with occasionally dropping a disk into a player.
Yeah. My HTPC is fine for 1080p and below, but yeah, with 4k+HDR file sizes and storage requirements it doesn't make any sense. I do prefer ripping my disks and eliminating the crap they force on you, but for the few premiere movies I care about enough to want 4k and Atmos, I can live with it, I guess. But I would like to be able to upscale the HTPC's 1080p content (and 720p/1080i as well) into 2160 using the disk player rather than the TV's scaler. The Vizio's scaler is ass for the most part and does a lousy job.
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You can get the LG for $49 on slickdeals, and the Sony X80 (warehouse version of the X800) for $129. The Sony is far superior but if you are just looking for downscaling of 4K discs to 1080P the LG will do the job
No Wal-Mart within 25 miles of me has any of the LG in stock. Is the Sony superior in picture or sound quality or just in features or reliability?
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Yeah. My HTPC is fine for 1080p and below, but yeah, with 4k+HDR file sizes and storage requirements it doesn't make any sense. I do prefer ripping my disks and eliminating the crap they force on you, but for the few premiere movies I care about enough to want 4k and Atmos, I can live with it, I guess. But I would like to be able to upscale the HTPC's 1080p content (and 720p/1080i as well) into 2160 using the disk player rather than the TV's scaler. The Vizio's scaler is ass for the most part and does a lousy job.
I haven't yet tried 4K content on my HTPC as my 4K TV is on its way. However, I've always been of the opinion that the scalers in the players are sub-par over the TV scalers (excepting $500+ players like Oppo) and that my money was always better spent on grabbing a slightly higher end TV which usually puts the upscaling issue to rest. I don't use my disk player for anything other than the highest end disks, so upscaling isn't an issue.
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duplicate.

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It just kind of screams HTPC, doesn't it?
HTPC makes sense if your plan is to pirate all your 4K content. If you plan to purchase discs, do online rentals, or subscribe to streaming providers then it's not really a useful path at all.

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HTPC makes sense if your plan is to pirate all your 4K content. If you plan to purchase discs, do online rentals, or subscribe to streaming providers then it's not really a useful path at all.
It still makes perfect sense - 1 device, infinitely upgradeable, no pirating needed. I own disks, 100s of them. I also use it as a DVR for OTA captures. It's even quite useful for online or streaming, better, in fact, than any device. The PC version tends to get updated, while the apps for a particular device tend to get neglected or even made obsolete within a couple of years.
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It still makes perfect sense
As you said, you haven't tried to play 4K content on your HTPC yet. You're in for a bumpy and frustrating ride that will probably conclude with your purchase of a dedicated streaming box. The actual world of PC-based 4K playback is a total mess right now. It's nothing at all like your experience has been with regular HD content.
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As you said, you haven't tried to play 4K content on your HTPC yet. You're in for a bumpy and frustrating ride that will probably conclude with your purchase of a dedicated streaming box. The actual world of PC-based 4K playback is a total mess right now. It's nothing at all like your experience has been with regular HD content.
Fair enough, we'll see how it goes.
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As you said, you haven't tried to play 4K content on your HTPC yet. You're in for a bumpy and frustrating ride that will probably conclude with your purchase of a dedicated streaming box. The actual world of PC-based 4K playback is a total mess right now. It's nothing at all like your experience has been with regular HD content.
Just went through the exercise of looking through the requirements and supposed solutions, et al. Looks about as terrible as the 1080p situation on a mac when 1080P BDs came out. As you mentioned, the locks are already broken by pirates, so encumbering paying legal customers with tons of nonsense is shortsighted. I'm not going to hold my breath that the industry sees the light though, they've been poking themselves in the eyes so long that they're blinded to anything else.
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Just went through the exercise of looking through the requirements and supposed solutions, et al. Looks about as terrible as the 1080p situation on a mac when 1080P BDs came out. As you mentioned, the locks are already broken by pirates, so encumbering paying legal customers with tons of nonsense is shortsighted. I'm not going to hold my breath that the industry sees the light though, they've been poking themselves in the eyes so long that they're blinded to anything else.
Yeah they're trying to lock it behind hardware based DRM and if you don't have specific hardware with specific instructions built in it won't play at all, even though you can just rip your UHD disc collection to a HDD and play it. Actual discs are going to be a royal pain not to mention getting netflix and other streaming apps to update on windows. It's just a mess.

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Is there a UHD player that supports Dolby Vision (for streaming as well) and also includes the Vudu app? I've been using my Xbox One S, but it only outputs in HDR10 and now if I turn on bitstreaming for Atmos support, it turns off the optical output for my headphones. I don't want to switch back and forth so I'm wondering if there is a simpler solution. (i.e. a UHD Player that will play physical UHD discs in HDR10 OR Dolby Vision, output Dolby Atmos, and stream Vudu movies in Dolby Vision.

Does it exist?

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Is there a UHD player that supports Dolby Vision (for streaming as well) and also includes the Vudu app? I've been using my Xbox One S, but it only outputs in HDR10 and now if I turn on bitstreaming for Atmos support, it turns off the optical output for my headphones. I don't want to switch back and forth so I'm wondering if there is a simpler solution. (i.e. a UHD Player that will play physical UHD discs in HDR10 OR Dolby Vision, output Dolby Atmos, and stream Vudu movies in Dolby Vision.



Does it exist?


No, you will need a separate device to stream Vudu

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No, you will need a separate device to stream Vudu
I figured that looked like the case for now. I suppose I could get the Oppo and then add a Roku to that? Or just wait longer...

Frustrating. My Xbox has Vudu and it works great now that they support HDR10, but I can't get Dolby Vision that way, plus if I turn on Atmos for the Xbox then it disables my headphones because it turns off the optical out port.

If I cast from Vizio TV then I get Dolby Vision but I can't get Atmos because it won't go across ARC or the optical cable.
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I figured that looked like the case for now. I suppose I could get the Oppo and then add a Roku to that? Or just wait longer...



Frustrating. My Xbox has Vudu and it works great now that they support HDR10, but I can't get Dolby Vision that way, plus if I turn on Atmos for the Xbox then it disables my headphones because it turns off the optical out port.



If I cast from Vizio TV then I get Dolby Vision but I can't get Atmos because it won't go across ARC or the optical cable.


Roku doesn’t do Dolby vision either. Maybe consider using your tv app? Arc is supposed to work with atmos. Don’t know why it isn’t for you. There is no one device that does everything. Apple TV 4K doesn’t do atmos and the Nvidia shield doesn’t do YouTube hdr or Dolby vision.

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Roku doesn’t do Dolby vision either. Maybe consider using your tv app? Arc is supposed to work with atmos. Don’t know why it isn’t for you. There is no one device that does everything. Apple TV 4K doesn’t do atmos and the Nvidia shield doesn’t do YouTube hdr or Dolby vision.
I thought the whole thing was that ARC didn't have the bandwidth to support full on Atmos.

I'm thinking my best bet is to hold out a while and then just go with a separate UHD player that supports Dolby Vision and then add an Apple TV in once it supports Atmos, since they claim it will eventually support it.
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Apologies if this has already been asked and answered, but don't have time to go through 37 pages.

I have an X1X and it does a decent job of playing the UHD movies I have. The one feature I want is "skip back" as sometimes the dialogue needs repeating. If it has the feature, it's either not obvious or hidden in a complex menu structure. I'd buy almost any sub-$200 player if it had a skip back button. But I can't find one that does. Any suggestions?
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I'm thinking my best bet is to hold out a while and then just go with a separate UHD player that supports Dolby Vision and then add an Apple TV in once it supports Atmos, since they claim it will eventually support it.


It can’t do lossless truehd but Dolby digital plus is possible.

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Apologies if this has already been asked and answered, but don't have time to go through 37 pages.

I have an X1X and it does a decent job of playing the UHD movies I have. The one feature I want is "skip back" as sometimes the dialogue needs repeating. If it has the feature, it's either not obvious or hidden in a complex menu structure. I'd buy almost any sub-$200 player if it had a skip back button. But I can't find one that does. Any suggestions?


Not sure what you mean by skip back. You can rewind, is that not what you want?

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It can’t do lossless truehd but Dolby digital plus is possible.
Cool. May solve my issue in the short term then!
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Not sure what you mean by skip back. You can rewind, is that not what you want?
No, not rewind. Something like the 30-second skip that roku has. Rewind works, but it's next to impossible to reliably rewind a short period. Especially given that every disc seems to have it's own rewind interface.
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No, not rewind. Something like the 30-second skip that roku has. Rewind works, but it's next to impossible to reliably rewind a short period. Especially given that every disc seems to have it's own rewind interface.
I have not seen that on any player.

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Official "Help Me Choose an UHD Player" Thread

What’s the best uhd Blu-ray player that’s not the Sony x80?

I refuse to buy the Sony as I own both a PlayStation 4 slim and a 6500 Blu-ray player and both have been wholly unreliable. The PS4 has been replaced 4 times and my 6500 (which is practically new) is hands down the worst Blu-ray player I’ve ever owned. It constantly fails to connect to the internet and frequently freezes on everything from apps to Blu-ray playback. Suffice to say I don’t trust Sony to produce a reliable product.

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