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Because the manufacturers generally stop providing firmware upgrades within a few years, I would get the newer model. Plus, with HDR10+ and the HDR optimizer, the newer model is more future proof (although I don't believe your Epson projector can utilize HDR10+).
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Because the manufacturers generally stop providing firmware upgrades within a few years, I would get the newer model. Plus, with HDR10+ and the HDR optimizer, the newer model is more future proof (although I don't believe your Epson projector can utilize HDR10+).
That was exactly what I was thinking also.
Thanks for your input!
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Because the manufacturers generally stop providing firmware upgrades within a few years, I would get the newer model. Plus, with HDR10+ and the HDR optimizer, the newer model is more future proof (although I don't believe your Epson projector can utilize HDR10+).
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That was exactly what I was thinking also.
Thanks for your input!
where can one buy the UB420 from here in the US?
Can't seem to find it on either ebay or amazon for that matter

the hell is panasonic doing?
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I live in Belgium and it's here in a local shop.
I think they want to get rid of their old stock, that's why the discount.
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Does It Pay For Me To Buy A 4K Player ?

I started buying the combination 4K + Blu-Ray disk packages for movies because even though right now I only have a plasma + Blu-Ray player, for a few extra $$$ I get the 4K if/when I upgrade. And right now, the Blu-Ray is a 2009 Sony model so it's a bit dated and lags on Apps, Streaming, etc.

My Question(s) are: Does it pay for me to get the 4K player NOW if I DON'T get the TV ? Will I see any improvement at all in my set-up from the 4K and/or the HDR working on a plasma ?

(1) I have a 60" Samsung 5500 TV that I watch from about 9'-10' away.

(2) As I said, right now I watch Blu-Rays on a 2009 Sony BR player.

(3) I'd just be looking at a base 4K player, something like the Sony UBPX-700 or UBP-800. Feel free to recommend another modest-priced player if you have any in mind.

(4) If/when I do get a 4K TV, it'll probably be a 65" or 70" (no room for much more).

Any comments appreciated.
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If you are just preparing for the future, it will be fine. But you'll get nothing more out of it than the current color space and resolution your plasma can handle. If you are thinking of the sony 800, wait a new one is coming out which has DV, which the current one does not. Eventually, you'll want a player with dolby vision, the 700 has it now.

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although I don't believe your Epson projector can utilize HDR10+
I'm still doubting... so right now, with my current projector (Epson TW7300) I don't get any improvement at all, if I would go with the UB420?
Also I'm wondering, if it's really useful to buy a blu-ray player with some functions (like HDR10+) that will not have any advantage right now, but might be useful in the future when I buy a new projector who can handle HDR10+.
Then again, when I will buy a new projector (maybe in 5 years or later), maybe there will be 4K blu-ray players with new standards. Or they will all have HDR10+ and Dolby Vision. So, isn't it better to buy a blu-ray player for the setup I currently have?

Also I am confused, because in another topic, somebody said the following:

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Projectors are pretty darn bad at utilizing HDR in any meaningful manner because they aren't bright enough. So, you get compatibility, but that's about it.

So, I'm understanding that HDR for a projector in general doesn't do any improvements at all??

All these questions, it's driving me nuts.
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If you are just preparing for the future, it will be fine. But you'll get nothing more out of it than the current color space and resolution your plasma can handle. If you are thinking of the sony 800, wait a new one is coming out which has DV, which the current one does not. Eventually, you'll want a player with dolby vision, the 700 has it now.
Oohh...thanks...so not all 4K players play both formats, especially the cheaper ones, huh ?
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I love my Oppo BDP-93, but I am in the market for a 4k UHD blu ray player. I also have a ton of stuff on Region B. Is there any other great or even good Blu Ray players out there that are easily region switchable?

Or should I really try to find some new old stock on Oppo? Are they even widely available without price gouging?

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I love my Oppo BDP-93, but I am in the market for a 4k UHD blu ray player. I also have a ton of stuff on Region B. Is there any other great or even good Blu Ray players out there that are easily region switchable?

Or should I really try to find some new old stock on Oppo? Are they even widely available without price gouging?
I just got a Panasonic DP UB 424 from Germany.
Then went over to regionfreedom.com and got the firmware that unlocks.
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I love my Oppo BDP-93, but I am in the market for a 4k UHD blu ray player. I also have a ton of stuff on Region B. Is there any other great or even good Blu Ray players out there that are easily region switchable?
Instead of paying a premium for a region-free 4K player, you might consider getting a second Blu-ray player. All 4K UHD discs are region-free, so if you order a regular Blu-ray player from another region, then you're all set.

For example, I live in the USA, and was able to order a "Region B" Samsung BD-J5500 3D Blu-ray + DVD Player from amazon.co.uk for a very reasonable price (there are other Region B players you can order from Amazon in the UK). Just make sure your display device can handle the different-spec output from the Region B player. Mine is hooked up to a receiver that's hooked up to a projector.

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I love my Oppo BDP-93, but I am in the market for a 4k UHD blu ray player. I also have a ton of stuff on Region B. Is there any other great or even good Blu Ray players out there that are easily region switchable?

Or should I really try to find some new old stock on Oppo? Are they even widely available without price gouging?
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Instead of paying a premium for a region-free 4K player, you might consider getting a second Blu-ray player. All 4K UHD discs are region-free, so if you order a regular Blu-ray player from another region, then you're all set.

For example, I live in the USA, and was able to order a "Region B" Samsung BD-J5500 3D Blu-ray + DVD Player from amazon.co.uk for a very reasonable price (there are other Region B players you can order from Amazon in the UK). Just make sure your display device can handle the different-spec output from the Region B player. Mine is hooked up to a receiver that's hooked up to a projector.
Or you could just use a media player for your non region A titles. I rip all my non region A, 2D and 3D titles and just play them back with my Popcorn hour or Netgear media players. That way I don't have to mess with a region free player. The last one I owned was a region free DVD player with an SDI digital video connection. But that was back before Blu-ray Discs were out. I find it much easier to just rip my Non region A titles and play them back from those media players. SInce I can play them back with full menus, like from a disc, or just the main movie.

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All 4K UHD discs are region-free.
You know what, I had no idea this was the case. Well o.k. this changes things.

Thanks everyone for the replies, I think there are several good solutions in this thread.
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Looking for a first fairly cheap 4k player that easily handles all the formats (DV, HDR, Atmos, etc), apps are good, wifi......
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Sony X700 (you have to manually turn off/ DV)
Phillips 7502 (not many apps)
LG UPk90 (not many apps)

The above 3 are the cheapest (less than $200 on sale) players that fufill DV/HDR10 requirement. You’ll need to make some sacrifices if you want cheap
Are there any that do Amazon Prime, too?
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Are there any that do Amazon Prime, too?
At this point, I'd recommend two devices - a disk / media players (NAS, USB, etc.) and a separate streamer.

I've got one Oppo with streaming apps (103D) and another without (203). I added a Roku Ultra for streaming only and have been very happy with the streaming abilities of the Roku.

So I'd see what a streamer and a less expensive player come to. You get more updates and more apps with a dedicated streamer. The two put together might be a better fit for what you want.
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Oohh...thanks...so not all 4K players play both formats, especially the cheaper ones, huh ?
No, some early models only do 4k and HDR. Later ones are adding Dolby Vision. Some will add HDR10+. If you don't have a 4K TV yet I'd wait. Get a model with 4k HDR, DV, and HDR10+. Maybe the new second generation 800 will have all three formats.

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At this point, I'd recommend two devices - a disk / media players (NAS, USB, etc.) and a separate streamer.

I've got one Oppo with streaming apps (103D) and another without (203). I added a Roku Ultra for streaming only and have been very happy with the streaming abilities of the Roku.

So I'd see what a streamer and a less expensive player come to. You get more updates and more apps with a dedicated streamer. The two put together might be a better fit for what you want.

You may have something there with "a less expensive player". No matter the price, there seem to be a lot of buggy 4K players. No brand excluded. I'm sitting out after one expensive bite. I'll wait until The Orkin Man does his thing.
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What's the big deal manually on off Dolby Vision?

Done this alot in similar settings. Audio direct, DSD, pure direct, audio bluray settings... Upscaling picture, adjusting etc

What's the deal, does it take long time,?

Of course automatic is best, I get that.
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What's the big deal manually on off Dolby Vision?

Done this alot in similar settings. Audio direct, DSD, pure direct, audio bluray settings... Upscaling picture, adjusting etc

What's the deal, does it take long time,?

Of course automatic is best, I get that.


I think most don’t want to go into the settings (especially for family members/guests) every time they want to watch DV and then also remember to have to turn it off. It’s not a big deal for some, but with comparable devices out that don’t require it most will go for those that don’t.
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What's the big deal manually on off Dolby Vision?

Done this alot in similar settings. Audio direct, DSD, pure direct, audio bluray settings... Upscaling picture, adjusting etc

What's the deal, does it take long time,?

Of course automatic is best, I get that.
Because you shouldn't need to manually adjust those. I've not needed to change settings for DSD, audio BD settings, upscaling etc. They are automatic. And all other DV players automatically change between DV, HDR10, and SDR. Plus you need to remember to do it with a manual toggle. And know if the disc is in DV. It;'s pretty much a PITA to manually do that. The only thing I manually change in my setups, is Game mode(and that is enough of a PITA). Everything else changes automatically or by using a Harmony remote.

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Help purchasing 1st 4k Blu-Ray Player

I have read a lot on here about several different models/manufacturers...I am looking for a higher end/future proof blu ray player with the following: 4k Streaming (Netflix, Amazon,) Dolby Vision/Atmos, HDR10+ with a max budget of $500. Can someone point out which player would be best? Thanks
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I have read a lot on here about several different models/manufacturers...I am looking for a higher end/future proof blu ray player with the following: 4k Streaming (Netflix, Amazon,) Dolby Vision/Atmos, HDR10+ with a max budget of $500. Can someone point out which player would be best? Thanks
The Panasonic is $500 and has DV, HDR10, and HDR10+. Not sure what streaming services it has but no BD player is future proof. Especially with the streaming services. Since many of them stop getting updates after a few years. Best to rely on the Disc player for disc playback. And use a streaming only device for streaming apps. Like the Roku Ultra/Streaming Stick+, ATV 4K, or Fire TV 4K Stick.

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I have read a lot on here about several different models/manufacturers...I am looking for a higher end/future proof blu ray player with the following: 4k Streaming (Netflix, Amazon,) Dolby Vision/Atmos, HDR10+ with a max budget of $500. Can someone point out which player would be best? Thanks

I'm in the same boat. Panasonic 820-K looks promising. I already have the 4k Fire TV stick, and am waiting on delivery of a 75" Sony 900F.


Any recommendations on a good player in the ~$500 ballpark for that TV?
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I have read a lot on here about several different models/manufacturers...I am looking for a higher end/future proof blu ray player with the following: 4k Streaming (Netflix, Amazon,) Dolby Vision/Atmos, HDR10+ with a max budget of $500. Can someone point out which player would be best? Thanks
As aaronwt said, futuring isn't in the cards. Maybe check in a year or so?

Failing your patience, atleast wait a few months for more info, reviews on Sony UBP-X800M2.
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I started buying the combination 4K + Blu-Ray disk packages for movies because even though right now I only have a plasma + Blu-Ray player, for a few extra $$$ I get the 4K if/when I upgrade. And right now, the Blu-Ray is a 2009 Sony model so it's a bit dated and lags on Apps, Streaming, etc.

My Question(s) are: Does it pay for me to get the 4K player NOW if I DON'T get the TV ? Will I see any improvement at all in my set-up from the 4K and/or the HDR working on a plasma ?

(1) I have a 60" Samsung 5500 TV that I watch from about 9'-10' away.

(2) As I said, right now I watch Blu-Rays on a 2009 Sony BR player.

(3) I'd just be looking at a base 4K player, something like the Sony UBPX-700 or UBP-800. Feel free to recommend another modest-priced player if you have any in mind.

(4) If/when I do get a 4K TV, it'll probably be a 65" or 70" (no room for much more).

Any comments appreciated.
I vote NO. Here is why:

You will not get any improvement in picture. I did a test (however with a Projector) with a Sony 700 4K player, with HDR turned off, down converted to my 1080PJ. Looked as good as the Blu Ray for movies that weren't grainy like the new Mission Impossible. When watching 4K down converted, the grain was magnified heavily on my 1080P display. I much preferred the standard Blu Ray over the down converted image.

Continue buying the 4K movies as they come with standard Blu ray. When you purchase a 4K TV, then buy a 4K Blu ray player. By that time, there may be better features, and maybe the load time will be faster. As of now, my Sony standard Bluray player loads very quickly. The Sony 700 4K wasn't too bad, but took much longer.

The main reason people with 1080p displays use 4K Blu Ray players is to take advantage of the Atmos Audio on the 4K discs. If you'll be doing that, then sure, buy the 4K player now and enjoy Atmos. If not, I think it's a waste of money at the moment for you.
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I started buying the combination 4K + Blu-Ray disk packages for movies because even though right now I only have a plasma + Blu-Ray player, for a few extra $$$ I get the 4K if/when I upgrade....

My Question(s) are: [B][I]Does it pay for me to get the 4K player NOW if I DON'T get the TV ?.
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I vote NO....
...The main reason people with 1080p displays use 4K Blu Ray players is to take advantage of the Atmos Audio on the 4K discs. If you'll be doing that, then sure, buy the 4K player now and enjoy Atmos. If not, I think it's a waste of money at the moment for you.
I am in the same boat as @PhilipsPhanatic and concur with the advice from @tonybradley .

I too am buying the 4K HDR BD versions of any movies I want to add to my collection now in anticipation of my planned TV/BD Player upgrade. I'm mostly in the "replace it when it breaks" crowd and since the current TV (1080i 37" Vizio) has not yet joined the choir invisible...pushing up the daisies or gone to meet its maker as an "ex-TV"...WAF puts this upgrade strictly in the "wants" column of the "wants and needs" spectrum. And since the NEXT upgrade isn't going to happen any time soon I can't afford to prematurely lock in the feature set, especially with the ongoing HDR format wars.

As much as it KILLS ME to to wait until have the $$ (and gift cards) to buy both the upgraded player and TV all at once I don't want buy a player now only to find that it doesn't support a feature in the TV when I get it, nor do I want to over pay for some feature that will never be used.

As tonybradley noted, unless you have ATMOS you gain no net benefit to upgrading the player now so unless you are already inclined to swap out equipment for the latest and greatest you are better off waiting until you know what features your intended TV can and cannot take advantage of.

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Hi Guys,

Please suggest me the good Player with 4K, Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos & DTS X.
All the above formats shall be play from USB drive also.
I guess some of the players are not playing ATMOS and DTS X from USB.
The budget shall be less than $400.
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But it also requires you to turn on Dolby Vision manually. I would hate to have to be constantly remembering to turn DV on and off. I still don't understand why Sony has an assinine manual toggle for DV. While every other DV player has an automatic option.

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Has this been fixed with an update by any chance?

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I’m need to buy a 4K UHD Blu-ray player. I already have several 4K movies. My budget is under $500. I’m looking at the Panasonic UB820, Sony X800M2, and the Sony X700. I have a Sony 55X930D HDR10. I need the 4K Blu-ray to be quiet during movie playback. I read that the UB820 has issues with a loud fan and loud disc spinning noise, but I’m not sure if Panasonic fixed the noise issues on their latest batches. I also read that the Sony X series 4K Blu-ray players have freezing issues. Please recommend a 4K UHD Blu-ray player.
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I’m need to buy a 4K UHD Blu-ray player. I already have several 4K movies. My budget is under $500. I’m looking at the Panasonic UB820, Sony X800M2, and the Sony X700. I have a Sony 55X930D HDR10. I need the 4K Blu-ray to be quiet during movie playback. I read that the UB820 has issues with a loud fan and loud disc spinning noise, but I’m not sure if Panasonic fixed the noise issues on their latest batches. I also read that the Sony X series 4K Blu-ray players have freezing issues. Please recommend a 4K UHD Blu-ray player.
Assuming that you don't care about Dolby Vision since your 930D doesn't support it, I'd recommend the Sony X800
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