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I’m just starting to really get in to UHD content with my new projector. How does the PS4 compete with true players?
The PS4 doesn't have a UHD BD player. It only has a 2K BD Player. And the same goes for the PS4 Pro.
The XB1S and XB1X are the game systems that have a UHD BD player.

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The PS4 doesn't have a UHD BD player. It only has a 2K BD Player. And the same goes for the PS4 Pro.

The XB1S and XB1X are the game systems that have a UHD BD player.


I was thinking about getting a one x but is it actually a good player? There’s only a few games that might get my interest so I don’t know if I’m better off with a dedicated player?
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I was thinking about getting a one x but is it actually a good player? There’s only a few games that might get my interest so I don’t know if I’m better off with a dedicated player?
PS4 PRO has the highest number of games in 4K and HDR. Also the more varied catalog of games period. Generally regarded as the best game system out currently. But not a UHD player.

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I was thinking about getting a one x but is it actually a good player? There’s only a few games that might get my interest so I don’t know if I’m better off with a dedicated player?
A game system is the last device I would want to use as a disc player or streamer. Both the PS4 and Xbox have issues. Both a stand alone disc player and a dedicated streamer are easily better. But if you play games and want to save money on a disc player and streamer. They will work. It's just neither the PS4 or Xbone gives you anywhere near the best experience. But they are both great systems for playing games.
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A game system is the last device I would want to use as a disc player or streamer. Both the PS4 and Xbox have issues. Both a stand alone disc player and a dedicated streamer are easily better. But if you play games and want to save money on a disc player and streamer. They will work. It's just neither the PS4 or Xbone gives you anywhere near the best experience. But they are both great systems for playing games.

What is currently the recommended player for under $600? I'm in no rush to get an xbox one since I'm already happy with my ps4 pro for games.
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What is currently the recommended player for under $600? I'm in no rush to get an xbox one since I'm already happy with my ps4 pro for games.
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What is currently the recommended player for under $600? I'm in no rush to get an xbox one since I'm already happy with my ps4 pro for games.
I second @skylarlove1999 's recommendation, especially when paired with a projector.

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Does a player exist that meets all my wants & needs?

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Struggling with finding a 4k player that can handle my full checklist.
I currently have an Oppo 103 and nVidia Shield, and was hoping to eliminate them both. But I keep running into show stoppers.

Looking for a player that will: A) spin a 4k disc, B) play MKV with the standard high res codecs (TrueHD, DTSX) C) handle HDR settings easily (don't care about Dolby Vision since I'm using an Epson 5050 projector), D) play SACD and DVD-A, and E) play DSD over a network, not just USB.

I don't care about streaming apps, since I could always use the nVidia Shield or my Roku Ultra.

Lets assume price isn't a major obstacle. But staying under $1000 would be a bonus in the WAF.

Sony UBP-X800M2 will play DVD-Audio and SA-CD discs but don't believe it will play DSD over the network, based on the manual. The manual also says it will play h265/HEVC in an MKV, but wont play DTS, only Dolby Digital, which makes me think its not TrueHD/Atmos capable over a network.

The LG players do better than the sony on handling HDR automatically, but won't play an MKV with TrueHD or DTSX, and I'm unclear if it will play anything over a network. No mention of SACD or DSD in the manual.

Panasonic DP-UB820 or UB9000 probably are the best players, but won't play MKV files with TrueHD over a network.

Am I chasing a magic unicorn at this point? (are there unicorns that aren't magical?)

Right now I use my Oppo to play SACD/DVD-A and DSD on the network. I also use my Marantz 7010 to play DSD on the network, but the player is wonky and freezes all the time. The Oppo will also upscale 1080 to 4k nicely for the projector.

The Shield handles all the native 4k content. But I'd like to get a disc spinner and hope it would do more than just spin a UHD disc. Until I made the jump to 4k, my Oppo handled everything.

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Hivemind -

Struggling with finding a 4k player that can handle my full checklist...
Looking for a player that will: A) spin a 4k disc, B) play MKV with the standard high res codecs (TrueHD, DTSX) C) handle HDR settings easily (don't care about Dolby Vision since I'm using an Epson 5050 projector), D) play SACD and DVD-A, and E) play DSD over a network, not just USB.
...Lets assume price isn't a major obstacle. But staying under $1000 would be a bonus in the WAF.
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Hivemind -

Struggling with finding a 4k player that can handle my full checklist.
I currently have an Oppo 103 and nVidia Shield, and was hoping to eliminate them both. But I keep running into show stoppers.

Looking for a player that will: A) spin a 4k disc, B) play MKV with the standard high res codecs (TrueHD, DTSX) C) handle HDR settings easily (don't care about Dolby Vision since I'm using an Epson 5050 projector), D) play SACD and DVD-A, and E) play DSD over a network, not just USB.

I don't care about streaming apps, since I could always use the nVidia Shield or my Roku Ultra.

Lets assume price isn't a major obstacle. But staying under $1000 would be a bonus in the WAF.

Sony UBP-X800M2 will play DVD-Audio and SA-CD discs but don't believe it will play DSD over the network, based on the manual. The manual also says it will play h265/HEVC in an MKV, but wont play DTS, only Dolby Digital, which makes me think its not TrueHD/Atmos capable over a network.

The LG players do better than the sony on handling HDR automatically, but won't play an MKV with TrueHD or DTSX, and I'm unclear if it will play anything over a network. No mention of SACD or DSD in the manual.

Panasonic DP-UB820 or UB9000 probably are the best players, but won't play MKV files with TrueHD over a network.

Am I chasing a magic unicorn at this point? (are there unicorns that aren't magical?)

Right now I use my Oppo to play SACD/DVD-A and DSD on the network. I also use my Marantz 7010 to play DSD on the network, but the player is wonky and freezes all the time. The Oppo will also upscale 1080 to 4k nicely for the projector.

The Shield handles all the native 4k content. But I'd like to get a disc spinner and hope it would do more than just spin a UHD disc. Until I made the jump to 4k, my Oppo handled everything.

Any suggestions?
For projectors everyone like the Panasonic’s cause they are tailored to work with projectors. I’m not sure if there is a player that checks all the boxes. You didn’t mention the new Pioneer 4K players. Did you look into those yet?

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For projectors everyone like the Panasonic’s cause they are tailored to work with projectors. I’m not sure if there is a player that checks all the boxes. You didn’t mention the new Pioneer 4K players. Did you look into those yet?
Considering the number of AVS signatures that list more than one player, probably not.
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Have you looked at the Pioneer UDP-LX500?
Yeah. The manual seems to say that it can't play an MKV file or play TrueHD / DTSx over a network.



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Considering the number of AVS signatures that list more than one player, probably not.
Starting to think you're right. I was hoping I was just overlooking something.



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Hivemind -

Struggling with finding a 4k player that can handle my full checklist.
I currently have an Oppo 103 and nVidia Shield, and was hoping to eliminate them both. But I keep running into show stoppers.

Looking for a player that will: A) spin a 4k disc, B) play MKV with the standard high res codecs (TrueHD, DTSX) C) handle HDR settings easily (don't care about Dolby Vision since I'm using an Epson 5050 projector), D) play SACD and DVD-A, and E) play DSD over a network, not just USB.

I don't care about streaming apps, since I could always use the nVidia Shield or my Roku Ultra.

Lets assume price isn't a major obstacle. But staying under $1000 would be a bonus in the WAF.

Sony UBP-X800M2 will play DVD-Audio and SA-CD discs but don't believe it will play DSD over the network, based on the manual. The manual also says it will play h265/HEVC in an MKV, but wont play DTS, only Dolby Digital, which makes me think its not TrueHD/Atmos capable over a network.

The LG players do better than the sony on handling HDR automatically, but won't play an MKV with TrueHD or DTSX, and I'm unclear if it will play anything over a network. No mention of SACD or DSD in the manual.

Panasonic DP-UB820 or UB9000 probably are the best players, but won't play MKV files with TrueHD over a network.

Am I chasing a magic unicorn at this point? (are there unicorns that aren't magical?)

Right now I use my Oppo to play SACD/DVD-A and DSD on the network. I also use my Marantz 7010 to play DSD on the network, but the player is wonky and freezes all the time. The Oppo will also upscale 1080 to 4k nicely for the projector.

The Shield handles all the native 4k content. But I'd like to get a disc spinner and hope it would do more than just spin a UHD disc. Until I made the jump to 4k, my Oppo handled everything.

Any suggestions?
The SOnys actually play DTS from an MKV. It's the DD formats that it will not play from an MKV.
But if you are going to play MKVs. just use the SHield. Use Plex or Plex in KOdi. It works great from the Shield. And both versions of plex will give you a nice graphical UI. WIth Poster art, fan art, synopsis etc.

A disc player has never been the optimum streamer for content over a LAN. Since there are restrictions like audio or no GUI. ANd to just view a list of thousands of titles is not the best way to sort through content.

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The SOnys actually play DTS from an MKV. It's the DD formats that it will not play from an MKV.
But if you are going to play MKVs. just use the SHield. Use Plex or Plex in KOdi. It works great from the Shield. And both versions of plex will give you a nice graphical UI. WIth Poster art, fan art, synopsis etc.

A disc player has never been the optimum streamer for content over a LAN. Since there are restrictions like audio or no GUI. ANd to just view a list of thousands of titles is not the best way to sort through content.
Thats pretty much my plan. I was hoping to find a box that would have better tone mapping and would allow me to get the files off my NAS. But doesn't look promising. (Damn those Oppos for setting the bar so high!)

I'm using the Shield with the Kodi front end and the PlexKodiConnect plug-in, which seems to be more stable than the regular Plex in Kodi plugin. I'm very happy with the eye candy from the menus in the UI. But I'd give that up if I could get a better picture for the movies.

Thanks for the suggestion, though. And I guess I'll see you over in the Shield forums! I hate derailing threads.

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hi ,

I need BD player Support 4K,HDR and Support add external Subtitle to BD Disk , i know about oppu 203 but it disconnect and over priced ,

If it impossible , what about PC its possible ?
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Question Are there any 4K BluRay players with a vertical mount option?

I've started searching for a 4K UHD BluRay player that can be mounted vertically behind my TV. CHecked several places and sites and am not getting anywhere. TV is mounted above the fireplace with windows on either side so not much room for a shelf - plus it would look a little weird.

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[quote=chwilson0607;58533640]I've started searching for a 4K UHD BluRay player that can be mounted vertically behind my TV. CHecked several places and sites and am not getting anywhere. TV is mounted above the fireplace with windows on either side so not much room for a shelf - plus it would look



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Sorry I did not read the fine print . Upscaled bluray to 4K but will not play UHD discs.

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Sadly, that's not a 4k player. It's a 1080p player that can do 4k upscaling. It won't play UHD disks.

I know of no standalone slot-loading 4k players. Some of the Xbox consoles are slot-loading, and can serve as 4k players. (I don't know whether any support Dolby Vision, if that matters.) There may be a problem mounting them to the back of the TV, as they aren't intended for that. There may also be an issue with the remote, if it's IR rather than RF.

Maybe a small tray-loading player would work for you? (A shelf would be needed, but it wouldn't have to be deep.)

I'd suggest function over form.

I look forward to a future when people stop mounting TVs over the fireplace. (Full disclosure: my 1955 house has no fireplace.)
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I've started searching for a 4K UHD BluRay player that can be mounted vertically behind my TV. CHecked several places and sites and am not getting anywhere. TV is mounted above the fireplace with windows on either side so not much room for a shelf - plus it would look
Even if you find one are you sure the remote will work with you being 90 degrees off axis to its IR sensor and all? [and tucked behind a TV]
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Even if you find one are you sure the remote will work with you being 90 degrees off axis to its IR sensor and all? [and tucked behind a TV]
All good points. I don't watch a lot of DVDs anymore and was looking for something that would play 4K movies as well as standard and BluRay. Looks like I may need to re-evaluate the mounting of the player since there don't seem to be many (if any) options. Thought it would be worth a shot though ...
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All good points. I don't watch a lot of DVDs anymore and was looking for something that would play 4K movies as well as standard and BluRay. Looks like I may need to re-evaluate the mounting of the player since there don't seem to be many (if any) options. Thought it would be worth a shot though ...
Xbox One S/X plays UHD (no Dolby Vision disc support yet), and can be mounted vertically but its not recommended unless you use the vertical mount that is designed for it. It has a cooling vent on the side that can get blocked if you don't use their mount. I would doubt that it fits behind a wallmounted TV though.

How are you connecting devices to the TV? Do you have a media cabinet near the fireplace? Or a separate media room/closet and then run an HDMI cable inwall?
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Question Not ANOTHER suggestion for new 4k BluRay Player?!

Hello,

yes.... another 'help me choose thread.'


I just pulled the trigger on:
  • Marantz SR6013, since my Pioneer Elite SC-25 was having issues
  • which made me want to upgrade my 1080p Samsung LCD to a 55" LG OLED B8
  • which now makes me want to get a 4K BluRay player




I've done so much research on the prior 2 purchases that I'm a bit overwhelmed / burned out from doing more research on the 4K BluRay player, however this stuff is normally fun for me.
I have a PS4 and a PS4 Pro (across my home & work apartments) - obviously neither can play 4K BluRays.

I've received a suggestion from a friend to buy the Sony ubp-x800, I would choose the Sony ubp-x800M2 to get Dolby Vision support since my LG OLED has that.




I'm seeing a lot of negative reviews about issues on Amazon concerning the x800M2. Also, it looks like the x700 is nearly identical in terms of capabilities.



The native steaming apps on the LG OLED look great on paper (aka video reviews) as well as I have a PS4 Pro. Do either of these players offer superior streaming quality to those? I guess I'd consider a Nvidia Shield? It seems like a lot of extra equipment to get the most out of my receiver & TV. Thoughts? Again I've spent a LOT of money (for me) making this jump up in quality - I can wait if needed to properly invest in a nicer 4K BluRay player; use the PS4 Pro for now and get up-scaling through the receiver/TV.

At the price point of the Sony x700/x800M2, I'd just pick one up this weekend when I take delivery of my OLED on Saturday.






Sorry for the jumbled rants; I've started browsing threads here for info but I'd like the input in this thread for extra guidance.

Thank you.
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I tried many 4k players and the one that finally stayed is the Panasonic 820. Icing on the cake, it has tone mapping thingys for OLED that make it look really good. I don't know exactly what it does, but I can vouch for it working very well. Also you don't have to manually toggle Dolby Vision like you do with the Sonys, unless they've been fixed.
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Sonys are known to lock up with regularity. I had a Sony player that repeatedly locked up to the point I had to get an LG player.
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In market for 4K player

So I have had my LG C9 for a couple months now and I am ready for a 4K player. I see most of the review sites list the Panny DP-UB820-K and the Sony UBP-X800M2 as some of the top units right now. Does the Panny command a 250 more price tag over the Sony? What scare me is I was an early adopter of normal blurays back in the day and bought a samsung player and it never played anything right and they dont support firmware updates for very long either, I then switched to a LG player and while it worked pretty good eventually the updates quit coming and it was not able to play newer discs. I then bought a sony after that and it has played every disc I have bought since before upgrading to the 4k tv. Does Panny have a good history and keeping the players with current software?
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So I have had my LG C9 for a couple months now and I am ready for a 4K player. I see most of the review sites list the Panny DP-UB820-K and the Sony UBP-X800M2 as some of the top units right now. Does the Panny command a 250 more price tag over the Sony? What scare me is I was an early adopter of normal blurays back in the day and bought a samsung player and it never played anything right and they dont support firmware updates for very long either, I then switched to a LG player and while it worked pretty good eventually the updates quit coming and it was not able to play newer discs. I then bought a sony after that and it has played every disc I have bought since before upgrading to the 4k tv. Does Panny have a good history and keeping the players with current software?
https://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com.../ub420_us.html

The 820 has had 10 firmware updates since release. That says nothing about what may happen after the 820 is obsoleted, but Panasonic is keeping it current so far.

I believe that the Sony X800M2 doesn't automatically use Dolby Vision when playing a disk that includes it. Whether that would be enough of an annoyance to justify the higher cost of the Panasonic, I can't guess.

The 820 is popular with non-HDR projector owners because of the way it can convert HDR to an extended range SDR. (I'm not personally familiar with that.) I'm using one with an LG B7A, for the small improvement its tone mapping can give with an OLED. That's particularly helpful with UHD/HDR movie disks that are mastered too dark.
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So I have had my LG C9 for a couple months now and I am ready for a 4K player. I see most of the review sites list the Panny DP-UB820-K and the Sony UBP-X800M2 as some of the top units right now. Does the Panny command a 250 more price tag over the Sony? What scare me is I was an early adopter of normal blurays back in the day and bought a samsung player and it never played anything right and they dont support firmware updates for very long either, I then switched to a LG player and while it worked pretty good eventually the updates quit coming and it was not able to play newer discs. I then bought a sony after that and it has played every disc I have bought since before upgrading to the 4k tv. Does Panny have a good history and keeping the players with current software?
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https://av.jpn.support.panasonic.com.../ub420_us.html

The 820 has had 10 firmware updates since release. That says nothing about what may happen after the 820 is obsoleted, but Panasonic is keeping it current so far.

I believe that the Sony X800M2 doesn't automatically use Dolby Vision when playing a disk that includes it. Whether that would be enough of an annoyance to justify the higher cost of the Panasonic, I can't guess.

The 820 is popular with non-HDR projector owners because of the way it can convert HDR to an extended range SDR. (I'm not personally familiar with that.) I'm using one with an LG B7A, for the small improvement its tone mapping can give with an OLED. That's particularly helpful with UHD/HDR movie disks that are mastered too dark.
I also have a LG OLED (B8) - I need a 4K BluRay player....



I don't exactly want to switch Dolby Vision on manually... but how much of a difference in performance between the two otherwise???

(again, for an OLED)
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