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^ after more thought and some video reviews of the X800M2 in action - it seems like its going to be a hassle to live with.






I will probably get the Panasonic 820.
Perhaps it will be discounted on Black Friday?
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Sadly, that's not a 4k player. It's a 1080p player that can do 4k upscaling. It won't play UHD disks.

I know of no standalone slot-loading 4k players. Some of the Xbox consoles are slot-loading, and can serve as 4k players. (I don't know whether any support Dolby Vision, if that matters.) There may be a problem mounting them to the back of the TV, as they aren't intended for that. There may also be an issue with the remote, if it's IR rather than RF.

Maybe a small tray-loading player would work for you? (A shelf would be needed, but it wouldn't have to be deep.)

I'd suggest function over form.

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Official "Help Me Choose an UHD Player" Thread

Random comment: I’m pretty bummed the Panasonic 820 doesn’t support MKV video files or SACDs / DVD audio.

.. with my receiver upgrade + this pending purchase: it would have been nice to hear SACDs for the first time. In the pursuit of higher quality audio for music - what are my options? (Receiver is Marantz SR6013)

This will loosely influence my BluRay player choice.

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Some Sony support SACD. Don't know about DVD-A but those are rather rare.
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Some Sony support SACD. Don't know about DVD-A but those are rather rare.
Most of the 4K Sony Blu-Ray players support SACD (X700, X800, X800M2) - I guess I have zero SACDs but it would have been nice to be able to play them.



I'm still leaning towards the Panasonic 820 - the prices for the Oppo 203 are ridiculous though it seems that would have been a solid choice to add MKV & SACD compatibility with Dolby Vision support.
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I see so much comparing of the Sony 800M2 and the Panasonic 820;

Why doesn't there seem to be the same comparision with the Pioneer LX-500?

It plays all the discs/formats
Has both Dolby vision and HDR10+,

has the 2-channel analog output (not the multichannel, unfortunately, but neither do the other 2)



is it a price point thing, or the fact that it has no apps?

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I see so much comparing of the Sony 800M2 and the Panasonic 820;

Why doesn't there seem to be the same comparision with the Pioneer LX-500?

It plays all the discs/formats
Has both Dolby vision and HDR10+,

has the 2-channel analog output (not the multichannel, unfortunately, but neither do the other 2)



is it a price point thing, or the fact that it has no apps?

Maybe both. At that price point, I have an OPPO 203, would suggest that if it weren't discontinued.
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Maybe both. At that price point, I have an OPPO 203, would suggest that if it weren't discontinued.
Pulling the trigger on a 4K set up next spring. I have an OPPO-103, so I wouldn't even consider anything but the 203.....except it was discontinued.

I am intrigued at the $900 price point or so with the Oppo 203 as it looks like it did get the Dolby vision and HDR10+ firmware upgrades

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Pulling the trigger on a 4K set up next spring. I have an OPPO-103, so I wouldn't even consider anything but the 203.....except it was discontinued.

I am intrigued at the $900 price point or so with the Oppo 203 as it looks like it did get the Dolby vision and HDR10+ firmware upgrades
The Panasonic 820 at 1/2 that price performs better visually by pretty much every account: where the Oppo 203 excels is its ability to act as a... "play everything" player. Oppo seems to have a cult following in the AVR community but as the Panasonic 820 & 9000 was released and also updated with firmware, seems like the clear successors to Oppo's throne.
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The Panasonic 820 at 1/2 that price performs better visually by pretty much every account: where the Oppo 203 excels is its ability to act as a... "play everything" player. Oppo seems to have a cult following in the AVR community but as the Panasonic 820 & 9000 was released and also updated with firmware, seems like the clear successors to Oppo's throne.
We all have our quirks and needs. But for me, I really would miss not being able to play DVD-A/SACD as well as the HDMI input.

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We all have our quirks and needs. But for me, I really would miss not being able to play DVD-A/SACD as well as the HDMI input.
I bought my 203 after the announcement from OPPO. That decision was based on my ten year experience with OPPO, having bought the 83 and the 103D, both of which I still have. I bought my parents the BDP-80, which they still have and use.

None of those have needed service, and were maintained with new firmware for years after they were bought, my last firmware for the 103D was 2017 (as I'm sure you know). OPPO is still supporting the 203, the last firmware release was Feb 9, 2019. So far (and after they no longer sold them), they have added Dolby Vision support for the Sony version of DV, have added Dolby vision pass through for the HDMI input, so if you have a source that feeds DV, it can be passed through properly, MQA support, a whole bunch of stuff listed here if you're interested.

I avoid recommending it usually, since folks get antsy about it being no longer sold, but neither is my 103D and that's running just fine. OPPO is still doing its "fix anything for 90 bucks" support so if it's out of warranty, they will fix it until they ride into the sunset.

Long and short of it, I don't see anything out there that matches what the 203 delivers for me, even at the elevated prices. That is just a personal decision, based on my using pretty much all of its features.
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I bought my 203 after the announcement from OPPO. That decision was based on my ten year experience with OPPO, having bought the 83 and the 103D, both of which I still have. I bought my parents the BDP-80, which they still have and use.

None of those have needed service, and were maintained with new firmware for years after they were bought, my last firmware for the 103D was 2017 (as I'm sure you know). OPPO is still supporting the 203, the last firmware release was Feb 9, 2019. So far (and after they no longer sold them), they have added Dolby Vision support for the Sony version of DV, have added Dolby vision pass through for the HDMI input, so if you have a source that feeds DV, it can be passed through properly, MQA support, a whole bunch of stuff listed here if you're interested.

I avoid recommending it usually, since folks get antsy about it being no longer sold, but neither is my 103D and that's running just fine. OPPO is still doing its "fix anything for 90 bucks" support so if it's out of warranty, they will fix it until they ride into the sunset.

Long and short of it, I don't see anything out there that matches what the 203 delivers for me, even at the elevated prices. That is just a personal decision, based on my using pretty much all of its features.
in order to get the HDR10+, I need to do a "beta update" - it was never part of a regular update?
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in order to get the HDR10+, I need to do a "beta update" - it was never part of a regular update?
It was, just not listed, I don't think. Don't have an HDR10+ screen. so... Check the 203 discussion, I think it was folded into the next firmware update.
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I am confused - 4k player with dolby vision?

I am new to all this hdr stuff and am learning, so forgive me for the basic questions. I am confused about a couple of things.

Lets take dolby vision as an example. So my understanding is that basically in order for me to see a dolby vision picture on my tv screen, I need a movie with dolby vision content and a tv that can display dolby vision.

So lets say I have both of these things, what does a blue ray player with dolby vision support do? Why do I need the blue ray player to have dolby vision support if the content I am watching has it and the destination can display it?

Another separate question. Do most 4k blu ray players have an option to shut off the upscaling they are performing with dvds and blurays? How about new 4k tvs?

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The player needs to support Dolby vision as it needs to read the DV metadata from the disc and pass it on. A regular player wouldn't know what to do with the extra data and ignores it, so you won't get DV.
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I am new to all this hdr stuff and am learning, so forgive me for the basic questions. I am confused about a couple of things.

Lets take dolby vision as an example. So my understanding is that basically in order for me to see a dolby vision picture on my tv screen, I need a movie with dolby vision content and a tv that can display dolby vision.

So lets say I have both of these things, what does a blue ray player with dolby vision support do? Why do I need the blue ray player to have dolby vision support if the content I am watching has it and the destination can display it?

Another separate question. Do most 4k blu ray players have an option to shut off the upscaling they are performing with dvds and blurays? How about new 4k tvs?

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As Worf wrote, the player also needs to be able to read the DV data. Otherwise, you can still play a 4k disc as HDR but not DV.
You can set many players to output Source Direct, meaning the player can pass on to your display the data without upscaling it, allowing the display to do the upscaling. That is what I am doing with my Oppo 205. Thus, the display will receive 480i if playing a DVD, 1080p if playing a BluRay, and 4k (DV or HDR) if playing a 4k disc.

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Any cheaper than pana 820 that does DV automatically? I have C8 and looking for a player also. Anything in LG?

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As Worf wrote, the player also needs to be able to read the DV data. Otherwise, you can still play a 4k disc as HDR but not DV.
You can set many players to output Source Direct, meaning the player can pass on to your display the data without upscaling it, allowing the display to do the upscaling. That is what I am doing with my Oppo 205. Thus, the display will receive 480i if playing a DVD, 1080p if playing a BluRay, and 4k (DV or HDR) if playing a 4k disc.
shouldn't a DVD be 480 *P*?
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Take a look at the LG UP970. It's cheap and cheerful and should do all you need.

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Take a look at the LG UP970. It's cheap and cheerful and should do all you need.
Only CA$100 diff with pana 820, with that difference I might get pana.



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shouldn't a DVD be 480 *P*?
No, all DVDs are 480i. Of course, the display will automatically deinterlace and upscale to its native resolution (unless done by the player).

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shouldn't a DVD be 480 *P*?
No, the output of the decoder is always 480i or 576i for PAL. You have to reconstruct the progressive scan image downstream.

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The player needs to support Dolby vision as it needs to read the DV metadata from the disc and pass it on. A regular player wouldn't know what to do with the extra data and ignores it, so you won't get DV.
And if you go through a receiver, that also needs to support DV. Every device in the chain needs to be able to work with DV to get a proper picture on a DV capable TV.

And then of course they have to work with the type of DV sent.
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All the DV players switch automatically between SDR, HDR10, and DV, except Sony.

Personally I have a Philips 7502 player for DV titles. But I got it for two thirds off the normal price.
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New Blue Ray player that does SACD 7.1

I've looked through the forum but have not had much luck. Are their any Blue Ray players currently out there that does SACD 7.1 around $500 without having to go the used route. Ebay, etc.

Curious as I plan on getting a receiver with the 7.1 inputs and if any of the newer players did this I was going to give it a try.
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I've looked through the forum but have not had much luck. Are their any Blue Ray players currently out there that does SACD 7.1 around $500 without having to go the used route. Ebay, etc.

Curious as I plan on getting a receiver with the 7.1 inputs and if any of the newer players did this I was going to give it a try.
Over rated. Any receiver with 7.1 inputs is going to have its own high quality DAC. Possibly better than the one in the player. Also, the 7.1 input will probably bypass any room eq the receiver might have.
Just get a Sony for about $300, and hook it up to your receiver via HDMI.
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I've looked through the forum but have not had much luck. Are their any Blue Ray players currently out there that does SACD 7.1 around $500 without having to go the used route. Ebay, etc.

Curious as I plan on getting a receiver with the 7.1 inputs and if any of the newer players did this I was going to give it a try.
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Help me pick a good BR player for my needs

Hi everyone!
I'm looking for a 4k blu-ray player. I've checked specs of multiple players and I'm tired and confused. Maybe you guys will be able to help me.
Like I said it must be a 4k player. It needs to be able to use the recent techniques like Atmos, HDR, etc. I need it to be region free.
I don't need it to have any streaming abilities, I already have Nvidia shield and a smart TV. I would like it to be decent in upscaling even from DVD's.
Finally the most important thing, the price. $300 max. The cheaper the better.
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Probably should look through the sticky thread above titled help me choose a UHD player...
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