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Hi everyone!
I'm looking for a 4k blu-ray player. I've checked specs of multiple players and I'm tired and confused. Maybe you guys will be able to help me.
Like I said it must be a 4k player. It needs to be able to use the recent techniques like Atmos, HDR, etc. I need it to be region free.
I don't need it to have any streaming abilities, I already have Nvidia shield and a smart TV. I would like it to be decent in upscaling even from DVD's.
Finally the most important thing, the price. $300 max. The cheaper the better.
Thanks.
Do you need Dolby Vision and do you want the player to do tone mapping for HDR or will your display do the tone mapping? Do you have a television or a projector? What brand and model?

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Do you need Dolby Vision and do you want the player to do tone mapping for HDR or will your display do the tone mapping? Do you have a television or a projector? What brand and model?

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My TV is Vizio P65-F1.
The signal is going through Denon AVR-X3400H.
I'm not sure about the tone mapping question but for example my Nvidia shield is set for 3840x2160 59.940 Hz YUV 420 10-bit Rec. 2020 and I believe that's the max my setup together can do.
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My TV is Vizio P65-F1.
The signal is going through Denon AVR-X3400H.
I'm not sure about the tone mapping question but for example my Nvidia shield is set for 3840x2160 59.940 Hz YUV 420 10-bit Rec. 2020 and I believe that's the max my setup together can do.
Sorry, that was recommended setting. I pushed it to 3840x2160 60 Hz YUV 422 12-bit Rec 2020.
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Being region free will limit choices and also make it much more expensive. Of course UHD BDs are region free, but previous formats are not.

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Hi all. Im new here and would really like someone to help me.
I own 2 OPPO 93 and 95 players.
I been using them for everything, music and movies for years.
They play lots or codecs/formats incuding ISO from my USB/HD (original firmware,never upgraded to new ones).
Now want to upgrade to 4K but need player with same capability to play most formats available (flac,SACD,mpeg,TS....)
Used OPPO 203 is almost $1000 now and im not sure i want to invest in something that does not have warranty and dont know how long support will last.
Any other 4K player on market right now that will play most formats from USB/HD and does not cost over $2000 ?
Thanx
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Hi all. Im new here and would really like someone to help me.
I own 2 OPPO 93 and 95 players.
I been using them for everything, music and movies for years.
They play lots or codecs/formats incuding ISO from my USB/HD (original firmware,never upgraded to new ones).
Now want to upgrade to 4K but need player with same capability to play most formats available (flac,SACD,mpeg,TS....)
Used OPPO 203 is almost $1000 now and im not sure i want to invest in something that does not have warranty and dont know how long support will last.
Any other 4K player on market right now that will play most formats from USB/HD and does not cost over $2000 ?
Thanx
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Hi all. Im new here and would really like someone to help me.
I own 2 OPPO 93 and 95 players.
I been using them for everything, music and movies for years.
They play lots or codecs/formats incuding ISO from my USB/HD (original firmware,never upgraded to new ones).
Now want to upgrade to 4K but need player with same capability to play most formats available (flac,SACD,mpeg,TS....)
Used OPPO 203 is almost $1000 now and im not sure i want to invest in something that does not have warranty and dont know how long support will last.
Any other 4K player on market right now that will play most formats from USB/HD and does not cost over $2000 ?
Thanx
Who said that OPPO will stop supporting the 203 any sooner than sony or Panasonic will with their current on the market models?
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I need a bluray player that will play HDR MKV Remux files (4K Rips) and Dolby Vision 4K rips in MP4 format.

Research tells me the Oppo 203 does this but it costs nearly as much as my new TV, I can't afford it. Any other players do this?

What about the Panasonic UB450?
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I'm thinking of purchasing either the Panasonic UB420 or the Sony X800M2 for my 55" Sony X930D tv. Which player is better?
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I'm thinking of purchasing either the Panasonic UB420 or the Sony X800M2 for my 55" Sony X930D tv. Which player is better?
Has the 930 been updated via firmware with Dolby Vision?

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Has the 930 been updated via firmware with Dolby Vision?

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My Sony 930D tv is not compatible with Dolby Vision. Its only a HDR tv.
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My Sony 930D tv is not compatible with Dolby Vision.
If you plan on upgrading to a Dolby Vision display in the near future I would consider an open box Panasonic ub820. If not I would go with the 420. All around better player over the Sony 800. If you needed Dolby Vision support and couldn't find an 820 near the price of the Sony 800 and you watched a lot of Dolby Vision content I would say go with the Sony 800. But since you don't the 420 is my choice. I would have bought it over my 820 if it had been available in the US 18 months ago. My projector doesn't support Dolby Vision.

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Hi all. Im new here and would really like someone to help me.
I own 2 OPPO 93 and 95 players.
I been using them for everything, music and movies for years.
They play lots or codecs/formats incuding ISO from my USB/HD (original firmware,never upgraded to new ones).
Now want to upgrade to 4K but need player with same capability to play most formats available (flac,SACD,mpeg,TS....)
Used OPPO 203 is almost $1000 now and im not sure i want to invest in something that does not have warranty and dont know how long support will last.
Any other 4K player on market right now that will play most formats from USB/HD and does not cost over $2000 ?
Thanx


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Question Have Vizio Quantum X, NEED NEW UDH Player

Just purchased a 75" Vizio Quantum X TV.
  • Dolby Vision
  • HDR10
  • HLG

Looking for a new dedicated UHD DVD player.
Gaming and Streaming services are not needed.

Would like a unit that will optimize the Quantum X's capabilities to the greatest extent possible.

Looking for informed SUGGESTIONS of players I should be considering with a price point of $500 or less ??
Unless there is a STRONG compelling reason that I should invest more $$$ in a player...
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Guess this is not the place to come looking for suggestions.
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Guess this is not the place to come looking for suggestions.
Be patient.

The Panny is the consensus recommendation if you have the budget, which you do. Auto DV switching and the HDR optimizer are the big advantages. If you need specific high resolution audio support or care about streaming apps, then you'll probably want to shop further.
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Just purchased a 75" Vizio Quantum X TV.
  • Dolby Vision
  • HDR10
  • HLG

Looking for a new dedicated UHD DVD player.
Gaming and Streaming services are not needed.

Would like a unit that will optimize the Quantum X's capabilities to the greatest extent possible.

Looking for informed SUGGESTIONS of players I should be considering with a price point of $500 or less ??
Unless there is a STRONG compelling reason that I should invest more $$$ in a player...
I think the best Dolby Vision player is the PANASONIC 820. The optimizer really helps with HDR performance and the player really up converts blurays beautifully. I had an Oppo 203. I sold it after a month of using the 820. That was about a year ago. Haven't regretted it one bit.

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I think the best Dolby Vision player is the PANASONIC 820. The optimizer really helps with HDR performance and the player really up converts blurays beautifully. I had an Oppo 203. I sold it after a month of using the 820. That was about a year ago. Haven't regretted it one bit.

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So the Panisonic 820 gets a vote of endorsement.
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So the Panisonic 820 gets a vote of endorsement.
Instead of posting on page 89 and being impatient with a lack of responses, might I suggest you read the previous 2,600+ posts on this topic (or a section thereof) for possible answers to your question...
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Instead of posting on page 89 and being impatient with a lack of responses, might I suggest you read the previous 2,600+ posts on this topic (or a section thereof) for possible answers to your question...
Previous 2,600+ post?!? Ain't nobody got time for that! Haha. Jk. Sorta. Lol.
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Instead of posting on page 89 and being impatient with a lack of responses, might I suggest you read the previous 2,600+ posts on this topic (or a section thereof) for possible answers to your question...

For What its worth.

I run two large forums with 125,000 members as my full time job.
I posted my question as a new thread.
Admin chose to integrate and thus bury it deep within this thread.
Pretty much assuring only a minimal response.
Thats 100% their choice and I will support them.

As you might notice, I was NOT asking for a general endorsement of a UHD DVD player.
But rather asking a rather tightly focused question about which would work best with a very specific TV.

On my forums, "Newbs" come in asking common questions all the time.
Its pretty much the mainstay of new people joining our communities.
Ya, frequently we offer up the same answers to similar questions over and over again.
I suppose it just goes with the territory and is the price we pay to bring in new members to our community.

But what I have seen here, in the search for the UHD DVD Player is that PRODUCT OBSOLESCENCE is profound.
Over and over again I have run into strong endorsements of units that are no longer in production.
I read review after review of units that don't exist anymore.

Thus, even though I did the basic groundwork myself, I really was not able to come up with a solid solution, so I ventured to reach out to what I thought was the most likely community on the internet.



If in that process I managed to offend you and your forum sensibilities, then please accept my most humble apologies.
It was most certainly NOT my intent to cause you such distress.

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For What its worth.

I run two large forums with 125,000 members as my full time job.
I posted my question as a new thread.
Admin chose to integrate and thus bury it deep within this thread.
Pretty much assuring only a minimal response.
Thats 100% their choice and I will support them.

As you might notice, I was NOT asking for a general endorsement of a UHD DVD player.
But rather asking a rather tightly focused question about which would work best with a very specific TV.

On my forums, "Newbs" come in asking common questions all the time.
Its pretty much the mainstay of new people joining our communities.
Ya, frequently we offer up the same answers to similar questions over and over again.
I suppose it just goes with the territory and is the price we pay to bring in new members to our community.

But what I have seen here, in the search for the UHD DVD Player is that PRODUCT OBSOLESCENCE is profound.
Over and over again I have run into strong endorsements of units that are no longer in production.
I read review after review of units that don't exist anymore.

Thus, even though I did the basic groundwork myself, I really was not able to come up with a solid solution, so I ventured to reach out to what I thought was the most likely community on the internet.



If in that process I managed to offend you and your forum sensibilities, then please accept my most humble apologies.
It was most certainly NOT my intent to cause you such distress.

I hope your player choice works out

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As you might notice, I was NOT asking for a general endorsement of a UHD DVD player.
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But what I have seen here, in the search for the UHD DVD Player is that PRODUCT OBSOLESCENCE is profound.
Over and over again I have run into strong endorsements of units that are no longer in production.
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There is no such thing as a UHD DVD player. They are UHD BDs. Plus a Blu-ray Disc has much more in common with a CD than any DVD.
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There is no such thing as a UHD DVD player. They are UHD BDs. Plus a Blu-ray Disc has much more in common with a CD than any DVD.
Thanks for the terminology explanation!
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I need a bluray player that will play HDR MKV Remux files (4K Rips) and Dolby Vision 4K rips in MP4 format.

Research tells me the Oppo 203 does this but it costs nearly as much as my new TV, I can't afford it. Any other players do this?

What about the Panasonic UB450?
Sorry nobody weighed in sooner. But you've done your homework and have come to the same conclusion that most of us with network files have come to. Disc spinners aren't going to help us the way we want.

Not sure where you're located, but the 450 doesn't seem to be available in the US.

More importantly, the player won't play high res audio (DTS-MA or TrueHD/Atmos) in a MKV file.

Check p 33 of the manual: https://eww.pavc.panasonic.co.jp/bd/...N_TQBS0337.pdf

I'm still searching for the same thing. A disc spinner that will also play my MKV rips, remux or otherwise.

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Sorry nobody weighed in sooner. But you've done your homework and have come to the same conclusion that most of us with network files have come to. Disc spinners aren't going to help us the way we want.



Not sure where you're located, but the 450 doesn't seem to be available in the US.



More importantly, the player won't play high res audio (DTS-MA or TrueHD/Atmos) in a MKV file.



Check p 33 of the manual: https://eww.pavc.panasonic.co.jp/bd/...N_TQBS0337.pdf



I'm still searching for the same thing. A disc spinner that will also play my MKV rips, remux or otherwise.
That Unicorn was killed off when Oppo exited the business.

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Best current universal disc player? Pioneer LX-500, Cambridge CXUHD, Sony X1100ES, ot

For the last ~6 years, the core of my family's HT system has remained the same: Oppo 103/Marantz AV8801/Pioneer 6010FD/Simaudio Titan/Dynaudio speakers. A little over a week ago, the 12-year old Pioneer Kuro TV started having problems, and we decided to replace it with a Sony XBR-65A8G. Now that we have a 4K display that supports HDR, we're looking to upgrade the player. When Oppo pulled out of the market last year, I put myself on the waiting list for a 205, but my number was never called. And the price gouging on the secondary market is obscene. So, with Oppo 205 out of the picture, what's my next best choice?


Here's a few considerations:


I have a lot of SACDs and DVD-As, so support for those formats is a must. I might have appreciated high quality multi-channel analog audio outputs, if they were better than what my Marantz pre/pro offered, but without the Oppo I'm not sure that's an option. I do not plan to use this player for 2-channel stereo, hi-res or otherwise, because I have a Linn DS for that. So I think I'm fine with SACD and DVD-A over HDMI to the pre/pro for conversion, and I don't need analog outputs.

My new Sony TV doesn't support HDR10+. Does that mean I can't take advantage of HDR10+ encoded content, regardless of my choice of BDP? Or can a disc player do the HDR10+ processing so it doesn't matter whether the display supports it or not? I don't have any experience with Dolby Vision, so I'm not sure how to rate that in terms of importance, and I would appreciate some advice on that too. But since Dolby Vision support seems to be universal while HDR10+ is not, perhaps it's a moot point.

I don't care about streaming or file-based playback, including Netflix, Amazon, DLNA, USB file playback, etc. I already have several streaming audio and video players that IMO are better at these things. I don't know why the market demands including redundant functionality and apps in every device in the chain. The only network capability I'm likely to use is over-the-internet firmware updates. And I would prefer NOT to have wi-fi, but it's not a deal breaker.

Regarding picture quality, my understanding is that 4K UHD content playback looks equally good with any player (to a point), and the main PQ differentiator is seen when upscaling SD and HD to 4K. But the Sony A8G is already pretty good at scaling IMO, so how likely am I to notice a difference if the scaling is done in the player?

One last consideration is that I want dual HDMI 1.4/2.0 outputs to simultaneously feed my Marantz AV8801 pre/pro and Sony TV. That's because the AV8801 is HDMI 1.4 and I'd rather not buy a new pre/pro just to pass the video.

Two disc players that seem well suited to my needs are the Pioneer LX500 and Cambridge CXUHD. Both are pretty damn expensive for a BDP, but I don't have a price limit. I don't have any past experience with Cambridge Audio, but I've owned a few Pioneer Elite disc players before (last was the DV-59AVi) and I was happy with them. I'm also looking at the Sony X1100ES, because I owned a Sony BDP before and it was really fast at disc loading. Also, it has a "Bravia mode" which supposedly disables some video processing that might be better done in the display. And it's cheaper. But there seems to be a lot of complaints about the need to manually set Dolby Vision on each use, and it doesn't support HDR10+ (not sure if that matters, see above). Are there other players I should be considering?

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EDIT: Forget the Cambridge. Although discontinued, a few sites were still claiming to have a few. After re-checking, I can't find anyone in the US who has any remaining stock. I guess everybody who wanted an Oppo finally got wise that the Cambridge was basically the same thing minus analog outputs.

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A UHD Blu-ray Disc is required to have HDR10 if there is any HDR format on the disc. So any DV disc also has HDR10 and any HDR10+ disc also has HDR10. So your Sony TV will always be able to show HDR10 from a disc. Assuming the disc has HDR. There are a few SDR UHD BDs out there.

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Thanks for the clarification.

So I think it's narrowed to the X1100ES for $600, with the main downside of having to manually toggle DV, or the LX500 for $900.

Any others I should be considering before the trigger is pulled?

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This thread explains everything for Imax Enhanced. You might spend some tie reading the entire thread from beginning to end.

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