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Keep in mind our current library isn't UHD. So, given that's the case I would presume our current library is unlikely to have 50% (or close to) atmos availability, correct? Sorry for the questions, just want to know before I expend the effort or money given I think Vudu will cost me if I recall correctly.
If your current library is not UHD, then you're probably right that ATMOS is not available. I'm not sure how much ATMOS is available in non UHD streaming content, but at a disc level ATMOS is generally only available in the UHD disc version. There are exceptions though.

Vudu doesn't cost anything, only new content does. The only cost/effort to you is the time to register for Vudu/Itunes/Google Play/Movies Anywhere accounts and the time it takes to download and install each of their respective apps. You'll then be able to watch your current library on one of the other apps, which might have an ATMOS version that Amazon doesn't.
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The below might be of interest, maybe ???

WIDESCREEN REVIEW article Panasonic UB9000 ... December 2019

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showt...8#post59060778




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I have to admit, I didn't even know Widescreen Review was still being published. I let my subscription lapse ages ago. Thanks for the link.
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I have to admit, I didn't even know Widescreen Review was still being published. I let my subscription lapse ages ago. Thanks for the link.
No-Worries it's an excellent review with lots and lots of detailed information.

Widescreen Review Issue 246 - Abominable (December 2019)
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If your current library is not UHD, then you're probably right that ATMOS is not available. I'm not sure how much ATMOS is available in non UHD streaming content, but at a disc level ATMOS is generally only available in the UHD disc version. There are exceptions though.

Vudu doesn't cost anything, only new content does. The only cost/effort to you is the time to register for Vudu/Itunes/Google Play/Movies Anywhere accounts and the time it takes to download and install each of their respective apps. You'll then be able to watch your current library on one of the other apps, which might have an ATMOS version that Amazon doesn't.
There were over one hundred 2k BD titles released with Atmos audio.
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There were over one hundred 2k BD titles released with Atmos audio.
We're talking about on disc right? Are the numbers available for streaming versions (HD resolution)?

I actually show approx 600 BluRay discs with ATMOS audio, according to bluray.com search.
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We're talking about on disc right? Are the numbers available for streaming versions (HD resolution)?

I actually show approx 600 BluRay discs with ATMOS audio, according to bluray.com search.
I knew it was a fair amount of titles, but I wasn't sure of the number.

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I knew it was a fair amount of titles, but I wasn't sure of the number.
I counted 1200+ ATMOS titles (all resolutions) and 600+ (UHD resolution), which implies there are approx 600 ATMOS BluRay titles. I haven't been buying physical Bluray discs for a couple of years now so I had no idea that ATMOS has increased their footprint in Bluray. Certainly a good sign. The traditional complaint has been that people have to buy UHD in order to get ATMOS but that doesn't seem to be the rule anymore.
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I counted 1200+ ATMOS titles (all resolutions) and 600+ (UHD resolution), which implies there are approx 600 ATMOS BluRay titles. I haven't been buying physical Bluray discs for a couple of years now so I had no idea that ATMOS has increased their footprint in Bluray. Certainly a good sign. The traditional complaint has been that people have to buy UHD in order to get ATMOS but that doesn't seem to be the rule anymore.
AFAIK the vast majority of the 2K BD titles with Atmos, came out in the four years prior to the UHD BD launch in 2016. When the UHD BD format started is when most of the titles stopped having Atmos audio on the 2K BD.

I don't regularly check the 2K BD title that is included with the UHD BD. But I know it used to be that most of mine didn't have Atmos audio any more.

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AFAIK the vast majority of the 2K BD titles with Atmos, came out in the four years prior to the UHD BD launch in 2016. When the UHD BD format started is when most of the titles stopped having Atmos audio on the 2K BD.

I don't regularly check the 2K BD title that is included with the UHD BD. But I know it used to be that most of mine didn't have Atmos audio any more.
Doesn't look like that is the case anymore. Here are some ATMOS search results sorted by release date:
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Which UHD Player do you recommend? It is for my parents HT setup, so currently a Pioneer Elite 151 till the end of the month then it is getting replaced with the sony 77A9G, Denon X4500, Revel Concerta 2 speakers 5.4.1, SVS SB2000, Apple TV 4k and some other equipment. I am in charge of getting all of their new gear and set it up, so this is the last item I need to get. Which Player Would you recommend, I was looking at the Panasonic DP-UB820 but I am unsure.
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Which UHD Player do you recommend? It is for my parents HT setup, so currently a Pioneer Elite 151 till the end of the month then it is getting replaced with the sony 77A9G, Denon X4500, Revel Concerta 2 speakers 5.4.1, SVS SB2000, Apple TV 4k and some other equipment. I am in charge of getting all of their new gear and set it up, so this is the last item I need to get. Which Player Would you recommend, I was looking at the Panasonic DP-UB820 but I am unsure.
If you have the budget for it, the Panasonic UB 820 is the safest choice with the most features.
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Which UHD Player do you recommend? It is for my parents HT setup, so currently a Pioneer Elite 151 till the end of the month then it is getting replaced with the sony 77A9G, Denon X4500, Revel Concerta 2 speakers 5.4.1, SVS SB2000, Apple TV 4k and some other equipment. I am in charge of getting all of their new gear and set it up, so this is the last item I need to get. Which Player Would you recommend, I was looking at the Panasonic DP-UB820 but I am unsure.
Panasonic 820 if your parents will use the Dolby Vision if not the Panasonic 420 is a fantastic value.

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Blu-ray player necessary in 2020?

Just put togeather my first HT. Epson 5050, Denon 3600, 7.2.4 setup with b&w 700 series front speakers, 606 bookshelfs, and sonance heights. I have a PS4 pro and Nvidia shield pro. If I put all my blurays on network is there anyneed / benefit of having a dedicated blu-ray player in 2020? I was looking at the ub820 but unsure if there are any real benefits are I start digitizing all content.
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Question Panasonic DP-UB9000 or DP-UB820 ?

I want something to go along with my Epson 5050UB that would be better than the current lower end Sony 4K player I'm using now so I've come down to these two. Honestly I'm kinda leaning to the UB820 as I could not tell any picture difference from the reviews BUT I thought I would get some opinions from here


I do not care for the analog / balanced outputs etc on the UB9000, neither do the looks matter to me but if there is a noticeable picture difference I guess I can eventually get it... Anyone get to compare both firsthand? BTW, I'm just going to use it for 4K and also I have alot of 3D movies. Audio is Atmos 7.1.4 thru HDMI on receiver.
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From what I understand there will be no picture difference between the 820 and the 9000. In fact the cheaper still 420 uses the same video processor and looks identical except it doesn't do Dolby Vision, which shouldn't matter on your projector.

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From what I understand there will be no picture difference between the 820 and the 9000. In fact the cheaper still 420 uses the same video processor and looks identical except it doesn't do Dolby Vision, which shouldn't matter on your projector.

Thank you for info I did some research by myself as well and this is very true. The 420 is basically the same thing without Dolby Vision and the front digital display, from what I see. I just got one and I'm looking forward to installing it tomorrow evening
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I recently purchased a B9 lg oled and am considering either the sony X700 or panny 420. This will be primarily for blu rays but also a limited number of UHD discs. From what I understand, the primary difference between the two is the panny uhd optimizer, which is a modified form of tone mapping. My question is whether that would be beneficial if I am using the LG oled. Also (and I don't expect anyone to have the answer to this) I will be running the audio from the digital outputs -coax for the sony and optical from the panny - with the players performing the decoding - to 2 channel pcm . I realize the multi-channel lossless formats can only be transmitted via hdmi, but I was hoping to have the lossless formats decoded, downmixed to 2 channel and sent via either coax or optical. Will I be able to do that or will the players only decode the lossy core tracks when sending the 2 channel pcm? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. thank you
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I recently purchased a B9 lg oled and am considering either the sony X700 or panny 420. This will be primarily for blu rays but also a limited number of UHD discs. From what I understand, the primary difference between the two is the panny uhd optimizer, which is a modified form of tone mapping. My question is whether that would be beneficial if I am using the LG oled. Also (and I don't expect anyone to have the answer to this) I will be running the audio from the digital outputs -coax for the sony and optical from the panny - with the players performing the decoding - to 2 channel pcm . I realize the multi-channel lossless formats can only be transmitted via hdmi, but I was hoping to have the lossless formats decoded, downmixed to 2 channel and sent via either coax or optical. Will I be able to do that or will the players only decode the lossy core tracks when sending the 2 channel pcm? Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated. thank you
This doesn't answer your decoding question but I wouldn't sacrifice Dolby Vision in the X700 to get the optimizer in the Panny. The optimizer has more value for lower quality displays and IMO is not going to make much difference on a B9 OLED. The Panny 420 doesn't support DV.
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Besides the the disc player needing to be Dolby Vision and the display [I own neither], am I correct that the movie itself needs to be encoded with Dolby Vision?
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Besides the the disc player needing to be Dolby Vision and the display [I own neither], am I correct that the movie itself needs to be encoded with Dolby Vision?
Correct. Unless you want to force Dolby Vision on non Dolby Vision content.
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Hi,

Recently bought an 82" Samsung Q80R tv and will be upgrading my other components from 1080p to 4K capability soon. Getting all my ducks in a row to get full performance out of it is becoming quite time consuming. I have no streaming subscription(s) yet, and it would be only to get 4K material. I am concerned about audio quality there as well. Since it seems most tv's can only output DD audio at best via optical cable or DD+ HDMI ARC, that doesn't seem like the best option to run a subscription service from. I figure an UHD BR player might be the best option, so when connected to a receiver to do HDMI pass-through to the tv for video, it can handle all audio formats. With Samsung, obviously Dolby Vision doesn't matter, so is there player(<$600)that would be best for this scenario?

For disclosure, I will also note I have a Windows 7 HTPC, which is a glorified jukebox at this point. I've caught references to things like Plex, madVR, Kodi, etc., but as far as streaming services is concerned, wouldn't want to do more than open a site or Windows app to start watching movies.

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Any reason you aren’t considering a streaming box like Roku or AppleTV?
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Recently bought an 82" Samsung Q80R tv and will be upgrading my other components from 1080p to 4K capability soon. Getting all my ducks in a row to get full performance out of it is becoming quite time consuming. I have no streaming subscription(s) yet, and it would be only to get 4K material. I am concerned about audio quality there as well. Since it seems most tv's can only output DD audio at best via optical cable or DD+ HDMI ARC, that doesn't seem like the best option to run a subscription service from. I figure an UHD BR player might be the best option, so when connected to a receiver to do HDMI pass-through to the tv for video, it can handle all audio formats. With Samsung, obviously Dolby Vision doesn't matter, so is there player(<$600)that would be best for this scenario?

For disclosure, I will also note I have a Windows 7 HTPC, which is a glorified jukebox at this point. I've caught references to things like Plex, madVR, Kodi, etc., but as far as streaming services is concerned, wouldn't want to do more than open a site or Windows app to start watching movies.
Your Q80R will be just as good for streaming audio from it's native apps as any other streamer or UHD player. The Q80R will pass lossy DD+ ATMOS via ARC to your AVR, which is as good as streaming gets right now. For lossless audio, it will have to come from disc, and any current UHD player connected directly to AVR/Soundbar will provide that.

For UHD I'd look at the Sony X700 or the Panasonic UB 420 which are about the same price. The advantage of the Sony is that it's a faster disc player, more streaming apps as an alternative source for streaming and has Dolby Vision support for future proofing if you ever decide to use it with a DV compatible TV. The Panasonic has the HDR optimizer but it's supposedly more valuable for lower quality displays. I don't think the Samsung Q80R will gain as much from the HDR optimizer given that its a premium TV.
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I suppose because I'm a bit ignorant about the devices at this point. HDMI interface or USB? Would I plug it into the TV? (Possible compromised audio options) The receiver?(Seems ideal to point all the audio processing through it). I mostly watch movies and some local sports here and there, so I'll look for one streaming service with good movie content at high quality. Already have an over air HD antennae. We currently also have access to cable service via browser login on HTPC, but it is not a high quality source. Sorry for the sidetracking, I need to get a player, so figure this streaming concern should be addressed. I will be continuing my 4K equipment education as I upgrade pieces.
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Thanks PlanetAVS.

I suppose because I'm a bit ignorant about the devices at this point. HDMI interface or USB? Would I plug it into the TV? (Possible compromised audio options) The receiver?(Seems ideal to point all the audio processing through it). I mostly watch movies and some local sports here and there, so I'll look for one streaming service with good movie content at high quality. Already have an over air HD antennae. We currently also have access to cable service via browser login on HTPC, but it is not a high quality source. Sorry for the sidetracking, I need to get a player, so figure this streaming concern should be addressed. I will be continuing my 4K equipment education as I upgrade pieces.
The streamer plugs into an HDMI port, or can be run thru an AVR. Same as a UHD player.

USB port is for playing files from a thumb drive, or for supplying power to a streaming device such as Chromecast or Roku.
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Thanks PlanetAVS.

I suppose because I'm a bit ignorant about the devices at this point. HDMI interface or USB? Would I plug it into the TV? (Possible compromised audio options) The receiver?(Seems ideal to point all the audio processing through it). I mostly watch movies and some local sports here and there, so I'll look for one streaming service with good movie content at high quality. Already have an over air HD antennae. We currently also have access to cable service via browser login on HTPC, but it is not a high quality source. Sorry for the sidetracking, I need to get a player, so figure this streaming concern should be addressed. I will be continuing my 4K equipment education as I upgrade pieces.

A good streamer expands your options. You'd probably put it through your AVR (HDMI input) to allow the best audio to come through.

Streamers are converging on a good set of functions but are not commodity items yet, so you do have to pick well. What is becoming more useful to me are the individual apps (Fox Sports, Youtube, VUDU, Netflix, Amazon... ). They are easy to deal with and reliable (mostly). Each also has its weaknesses. I'm off cable, so I use the ATT TV Now app for my cable equivalent.

They enhance your system, since I came to the conclusion that disc players with apps is not necessarily the best option. Disc players are great for playing disc content (movies to music), some are good at network files (MP3, MKV... ) and so on.

I have three OPPO players, but the configuration that gets the most use is my OPPO 203 (UHD, HDMI input to act as a video processor) into my AVR with a Roku Ultra plugged into the 203's HDMI input, then to my display (Vizio PQ65).

The disc player gives the best possible sound and video, the streamer is convenient and very good in sound and video, but has its weaknesses.

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Finally got rid of the 820. Nothing but reliability problems, and I'm awaiting my Sony X800M2. The Panasonic is great for projectors, for televisions I don't see any reason not buy the Sony.
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Finally got rid of the 820. Nothing but reliability problems, and I'm awaiting my Sony X800M2. The Panasonic is great for projectors, for televisions I don't see any reason not buy the Sony.
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