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Xbox S may take some sales away from K8500 but not from UB900. It's not like like Hyundai Genesis is taking any sales away from Porsche Panamera...although they do take away some sales from Mercedes C-Class.
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Nice. I still have a BDT500 that for disc playback is pretty superb, the only thing my 103D has on it is Darbee really, since I don't use the player for any media streaming. If (When?) I get a nice 4K display this looks like the one. Just need to wait and see if Oppo will have any compelling features on their deck or if Sony is going to go all out and release an ES player.

@imagic going by the first paragraph in your post, does this mean you've received definitive confirmation that we aren't going to see the DX900 or CZ950 in the US?

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I don't understand what the UB900 is expected to deliver in picture over the K8500, XBOX One S, or any other 4K BD playback machine. High end players like OPPO 103/105 offers exceptional 4K upscaling of 1080p BD content, making it essential for a premium setup. Is the UB900 expected to utilize a H.265 codec that performs better than everyone else?
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Nice. I still have a BDT500 that for disc playback is pretty superb, the only thing my 103D has on it is Darbee really, since I don't use the player for any media streaming. If (When?) I get a nice 4K display this looks like the one. Just need to wait and see if Oppo will have any compelling features on their deck or if Sony is going to go all out and release an ES player.

@imagic going by the first paragraph in your post, does this mean you've received definitive confirmation that we aren't going to see the DX900 or CZ950 in the US?
No it's not definitive. I overheard the response to a question about that, Panasonic said it was examining reentry in the US market.
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I don't understand what the UB900 is expected to deliver in picture over the K8500, XBOX One S, or any other 4K BD playback machine. High end players like OPPO 103/105 offers exceptional 4K upscaling of 1080p BD content, making it essential for a premium setup. Is the UB900 expected to utilize a H.265 codec that performs better than everyone else?
It's Advantage with lies specifically with systems where it is providing a UHD feed to a non-HDR television. That's because it provides user-controlled flexibility in how you render that HDR to SDR.

If a TV handles HDR, and ni downsampling or tonemapping is involved, then it would provide the same picture quality as any other Ultra HD Blu-ray player.

Basically what's important now is downsampling or downscaling or whatever is called for by the connected TV, instead of upscaling.
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It's not only about decoding, but how accurately it decodes and convert the data to RGB.

In the A/B comparison, the chart showing 1000 Nits dynamic range shows that the UB900 gradation is a whole lot more even from black to white whereas using the K8500 the black area are slightly crushed and the whites are slightly clipped.

Also there is no colour smearing on the UB900 at all.

If you never see the UB900 in action, you'd think that the K8500 is amazing...and I thought so too...until I played with if for about 6 hours during the preview session at Panasonic. Even more so after playing with UB900 for 2 weeks at home, then switch back to my K8500. Once I got used to to the UB900, I now dislike my K8500. So much so I sold my K8500, bought my review unit and pre-ordered another UB900 directly from Panasonic so I can get one on July 20th (Canadian release date)
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rather have the OPPO DV uhd 4k player
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It's Advantage with lies specifically with systems where it is providing a UHD feed to a non-HDR television. That's because it provides user-controlled flexibility in how you render that HDR to SDR.

If a TV handles HDR, and ni downsampling or tonemapping is involved, then it would provide the same picture quality as any other Ultra HD Blu-ray player.

Basically what's important now is downsampling or downscaling or whatever is called for by the connected TV, instead of upscaling.
this is really interesting to me. I have a non-HDR capable 4K display (2014 Sony X850B) that can do WCG (Triluminos). So with the UB900, there is a possibility I would reap some benefits of HDR? How would an HDR disc (potentially) look different when played back on my TV with the Panasonic vs. the Samsung?

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Although this seems to be a nice player, I am going to hold out for the Oppo 4k player.
Yeah, I think I'm with you! I'm sure it'll be more than this Panasonic, but likely worth it.
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It's ironic though that one of the UB900's main differentiators, namely high quality analog audio outputs, cannot be used with ATMOS. ATMOS must be decoded in the AVR/pre-pro (not to mention that 8 analog outputs is not enough for ATMOS anyway).
You are right, you can only use ATMOS if your AVR or preamp is atmos supported and you must run HDMI cable from bluray to AVR/preamp. The Analog outputs is mostly for people like me with older non hdmi preamps that will use latest 7 channel lossless codecs that the older AVR/preamp can't support. The only downside is you have to use bass management from the bluray player rather than AVR if you use audio outputs.

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Panasonic's new UB9004K Ultra HD Blu-ray player.
The $700 retail price of the DMP-UB900...

Connectivity includes wireless LAN, access to network drives, Miracast capability with Android devices, DLNA client and renderer capabilities, and support for external hard drives up to 2TB.
Does anyone else think that 2TB external hard drive is rather small?

This looks like an OPPO level UHD BD player, I'll wait till OPPO comes out with their player but this one could be competitive.

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Does anyone else think that 2TB external hard drive is rather small?
No. These things don't run Windows; probably a limitation of the player OS. I just hope it can play an entire movie without skipping (unlike the Samsung).
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IMHO, the only way Oppo can best this player is either selling their player cheaper than the UB900 (very unlikely) or have the Darbee capability (more likely) at the same price of the Panasonic or at most $100 more.

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IMHO, the only way Oppo can best this player is either selling their player cheaper than the UB900 (very unlikely) or have the Darbee capability (more likely) at the same price of the Panasonic or at most $100 more.
For me the OPPOs input/pre-pro capability would be a selling point so all other things being close I'd choose the OPPO and even be happy to pay a bit more.

I'm eager to read some reviews and check out other peoples experience with the UB900! The UHD BD player market is now interesting!

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Until Panasonic can fix the issue with HDR remaining on with SDR blu ray, I will not be purchasing it.
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IMHO, the only way Oppo can best this player is either selling their player cheaper than the UB900 (very unlikely) or have the Darbee capability (more likely) at the same price of the Panasonic or at most $100 more.
Your joking aren't you? Do you really think Oppo is only going to provide this feature set with or without Darbee in the next player?

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Did I ever mentioned that Oppo will ONLY add the Darbee feature? Pleaaaaaaase learn to read my (or anybody's) comment IN CONTEXT of the thread.
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IMHO, the only way Oppo can best this player is either selling their player cheaper than the UB900 (very unlikely) or have the Darbee capability (more likely) at the same price of the Panasonic or at most $100 more.

The Oppo player will probably have the capability to play SACD and DVD Audio. I'll probably get the Panny but keep my Oppo 105 for that reason.
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The Oppo will be a universal player for sure but as most Oppo UHD BD player buyers already own their universal player, what can really sell the Oppo are unique features such as subtitle shift, Darbee, HDMI inputs.
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It's Advantage with lies specifically with systems where it is providing a UHD feed to a non-HDR television. That's because it provides user-controlled flexibility in how you render that HDR to SDR.

If a TV handles HDR, and ni downsampling or tonemapping is involved, then it would provide the same picture quality as any other Ultra HD Blu-ray player.

Basically what's important now is downsampling or downscaling or whatever is called for by the connected TV, instead of upscaling.
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this is really interesting to me. I have a non-HDR capable 4K display (2014 Sony X850B) that can do WCG (Triluminos). So with the UB900, there is a possibility I would reap some benefits of HDR? How would an HDR disc (potentially) look different when played back on my TV with the Panasonic vs. the Samsung?
Mark... I have the same question. I'm still on the 64" plasma you (had? have?). I'm guessing with this player, but with that plasma set, a UHD disc with HDR would look exactly the same as a 1080p disc? Or does that down-scaling find a way to provide enhanced contrast ratio/ dynamic range ?

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While the HDR to SDR conversion is interesting, is there a demand for something like that? Ultra HD players are a luxury item as it is. How many people are going to be throwing down for a $700 UltraHD player when a perfectly acceptable $400 and $300 one are available unless they have a little extra fun money at which point, more then likely, they are the owners of an HDR set anyway? 4K TV's haven't been out that long.
It's something I would consider... I got that 64" panny plasma set almost 2 years ago, but I don't have the finances to upgrade sets very often... actually, prior to that plasma I was only using crappy hand me down sets... so this was a *massive* upgrade for me... I was stunned when I watched a movie on it for the first time. So I might hold out for another 5 years until I get an HDR OLED or whatever is the superior set at that time, but if something like this player would be able to provide a slight boost in dynamic range I'd consider it... but not for that amount... I'd likely buy a used model of this down the road.

For the time being I'm mostly concerned about getting more atmos titles home... but asides from that due to my tastes I'm not really in a hurry to get HDR capability just to watch films I'm not as interested in right now. I'm buying a UHD player from a fellow AVS member later this year/ next year so that will tide me over/ to get me those UHD atmos titles I want but can't get on atmos 1080p.

I'm guessing in a few years we'll start to see legacy content with HDR re-mastering + atmos... that's when I'll be itching to upgrade. I just hope 8k doesn't hit the market the year I get my 4k set though!
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It's ironic though that one of the UB900's main differentiators, namely high quality analog audio outputs, cannot be used with ATMOS. ATMOS must be decoded in the AVR/pre-pro (not to mention that 8 analog outputs is not enough for ATMOS anyway).
There needs to be a slightly cheaper version 90% of people would buy without the analog outputs. ATMOS is a better feature than analog outputs for me. They could have gone all the way and done 9.2 or 11.2 analog out and solved it that way for many as well but still that caps the number of ATMOS channels for some.
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No support for SACD

Product page and User manual are online. ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/bluray/om/dmp-ub900_en_om.pdf

Page 7 - Unit does NOT support the following:

- DVD-RAM
- Super Audio CD
- Photo CD
- DVD-Audio
- Video CD and Super Video CD
- HD DVD

No SACD or DVD Audio are a problem, and I will be waiting for the Oppo.
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There needs to be a slightly cheaper version 90% of people would buy without the analog outputs. ATMOS is a better feature than analog outputs for me. They could have gone all the way and done 9.2 or 11.2 analog out and solved it that way for many as well but still that caps the number of ATMOS channels for some.
These kind of differences/features that won't matter (anymore) will kill this player unless it sells $500 street.
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The features like HDR-->SDR and high-quality analog audio out would be lost on my setup with a Marantz SR7010 receiver and HDR display.
However, if the image quality via HDMI chain in such an HDR setup is noticeably better than the Samsung (which seems a tall order, but David Susilo suggested above it is), then this could be worth it.

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rather have the OPPO DV uhd 4k player
Has an Oppo with Dolby Vision been confirmed?
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There needs to be a slightly cheaper version 90% of people would buy without the analog outputs. ATMOS is a better feature than analog outputs for me. They could have gone all the way and done 9.2 or 11.2 analog out and solved it that way for many as well but still that caps the number of ATMOS channels for some.
I agree. If someone uses analog outputs loses atmos/dtsx. So those anolog outputs are useless for me because i want immersive audio also but if any player had 11.1 analog out that will changed everything. Immersive audio is very important. Right now there is no solution other than hdmi bitstream.
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While the HDR to SDR conversion is interesting, is there a demand for something like that? Ultra HD players are a luxury item as it is. How many people are going to be throwing down for a $700 UltraHD player when a perfectly acceptable $400 and $300 one are available unless they have a little extra fun money at which point, more then likely, they are the owners of an HDR set anyway? 4K TV's haven't been out that long.
UHD to FHD conversion matters for 1080p projector owners. My w1070 accepts 10-bit input so I was hoping some UHD Bluray players would offer 10-bit SDR output (no banding). I wonder if this Panasonic's HDR to SDR conversion allows one to output true "30-bit Deep Color" at 1080p. That would actually represent a pretty big quality increase even for 1080p projector owners who aren't ready to upgrade yet.

But the price on this is way too high, even if it did support 10-bit output, and the new Epson HDR projectors are really interesting / semi-affordable.

My alternative was to wait a year for a 4K DLP to be cheap enough to buy, and stock up on UHD Blurays this year + a player. But I think an Epson + a new Xbox or PS4 with UHD Bluray playback built in would be a better deal overall.
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Product page and User manual are online. ftp://ftp.panasonic.com/bluray/om/dmp-ub900_en_om.pdf

Page 7 - Unit does NOT support the following:

- DVD-RAM
- Super Audio CD
- Photo CD
- DVD-Audio
- Video CD and Super Video CD
- HD DVD

No SACD or DVD Audio are a problem, and I will be waiting for the Oppo.
No SACD and DVD Audio is a deal breaker for me At this price point and with the highlighting of audio capabilities I thought it was a given to support those

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Panasonic is the "owner" of DVD-A, they will never license SACD (Sony)

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Panasonic is the "owner" of DVD-A, they will never license SACD (Sony)

This player yields visibly better video reproduction and audibly better audio even using HDMI. If you're serious about your 4K, at the moment, it's the only UhD player to buy
The same was said of Sony too. Yet recently Sony released their first player capable of DVD-A playback.

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