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post #2221 of 5094 Old 11-24-2016, 12:08 PM
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Rather than purchasing an Oppo with in-built Darbee processing, I think the better option is to purchase an outboard Darblet. In my system, I have both Monitor1 and Monitor2 connected to my 4K display. Monitor1 has the Darblet and I can use it for all 1080p sources, particularly DirecTV. Monitor2 is used for UHD sources, which the Darblet currently does not support. When the new Oppo is available, it will be connected to Monitor2 until (or when) Darbee releases a version that supports 4K.
I recently had an email conversation with Adam Darbee of DarbeeVision in regards to both 4K support and future HDR support. Here's what he had to say about the current version of Darbee in regards to 4K support.

"It will work with your setup, as long as the 4k signal is not passing through the DVP. The unit will not receive a 4k signal and down convert it. It will simply just not pass video. So if you wanted to add UHD to your setup, a simple switcher would solve the problem of bypassing the DVP unit in your chain."

This is what he had to say about future 4K support.

"Our plans for 4K are a little bit out still. I wouldn't expect to see anything until mid to late 2017"

I have the original Darbee Darblet and I really like the picture improvement. But, the unit is a bit flaky and requires a power cycle on occasion. Especially when switching from HD to SD or vice versa. He said the new version would most likely resolve that issue.


I was going to purchase the latest version but after reading his responses I will most likely wait until they develop a version that supports 4K/HDR. However, I would like to hear your thoughts on how it works with your system.


I have the Marantz AV7702mkii and will have all sources going through the Marantz. When you say you have "both Monitor1 and Monitor2 connected to my 4K display" are you talking about from your receiver/processor? So are you planning on connecting the new Oppo 203 directly to your display and using ARC back to the receiver/processor?


I plan on purchasing a new 4K/HDR TV in the next few months. Possibly the Sony XBR-75X940D, which I believe you have. My plan, if I decide to get the current Darbee Darblet, would be to connect the Darbee to Monitor 2 from my AVR and everything else would pass through the AVR and then out through Monitor 1/ARC.


What are your thoughts on the Darbee in your current system? Is it worth the cost of purchasing it now or should I wait for the 4K/HDR version if/when Darbee decides to release it?
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I see this listed in NZ now. It's cheaper than I expected, only $50 more than the NZD$1000 103 was (although the 103 was $800 back when I bought mine and I'm not sure why the price went up in 2015).

I'm kind of hesitant to buy this after my experience with the 103 though. That device has been without doubt the most disappointing/underwhelming purchase I've made in the last two years.
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What are your thoughts on the Darbee in your current system? Is it worth the cost of purchasing it now or should I wait for the 4K/HDR version if/when Darbee decides to release it?
Reminder this the Oppo UDP-203 anticipation thread, not a Darbee thread.
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Reminder this the Oppo UDP-203 anticipation thread, not a Darbee thread.
Sorry, I didn't mean to derail the thread. I was just adding to the conversation that someone else brought up about the Darbee.
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I see this listed in NZ now. It's cheaper than I expected, only $50 more than the NZD$1000 103 was (although the 103 was $800 back when I bought mine and I'm not sure why the price went up in 2015).

I'm kind of hesitant to buy this after my experience with the 103 though. That device has been without doubt the most disappointing/underwhelming purchase I've made in the last two years.
There have a been a lot of feedback with he 103 player, designed 5 years ago based on MTK SoC & Marvel QDEO, the UDP-203 is likely offering a expanded feature set comparably as well as new features that a BD player can't provide. You can wait and see how it is accepted. This is a basic feature set gleaned from a reseller.

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Sorry, I didn't mean to derail the thread. I was just adding to the conversation that someone else brought up about the Darbee.
You added some useful information in the earlier post concerning 4K Darbee so thank you, but as you gathered they have a number of technical challenges they must resolve before it becomes a viable chip set that can be used in a UHD player or stand alone device some time in the future.
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I think OPPO will have to think long and hard re Darby.
They prefer their units to get quite a few years out of them. With 8K just over the horizon, I can't see a 203D or 205D at all. It would be a very small, niche market.

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I pull up the Oppo 203 web page and keep throwing money at the screen but nothing happens. What's up with that?








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Reminder this the Oppo UDP-203 anticipation thread, not a Darbee thread.
They have the Darbee in the current models and potential buyers would want to know if it will be included or even possible for future models. It's an anticipation thread as well, not an owners thread. The Darbee info was much needed. Just because you are not interested in it doesn't mean others are not.
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Sorry, I didn't mean to derail the thread. I was just adding to the conversation that someone else brought up about the Darbee.
You didn't. The info about the Darbee was much needed for many I'm sure.
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Not me... forget darbee
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Would Darbee even be necessary on a machine of this quality?
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Would Darbee even be necessary on a machine of this quality?
If you have to ask, then you don't understand Darbee Vision processing.
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Trying to decide between this and the Panasonic DMP-UB900, in what way will the Oppo be better? Main concern is 4K picture output quality and features.

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They have the Darbee in the current models and potential buyers would want to know if it will be included or even possible for future models. It's an anticipation thread as well, not an owners thread. The Darbee info was much needed. Just because you are not interested in it doesn't mean others are not.
103D/105D are no longer current models, no longer in production. The older FPGA implementation is no longer applicable to the UDP-203 because it is a UHD player. So for now its not a possible feature to discuss.

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103D/105D are no longer current models, no longer in production. The older FPGA implementation is no longer applicable to the UDP-203 because it is a UHD player. So for now its not a possible feature to discuss.
It's not the fact that it's not possible until mid to late 2017, it's the fact that you posted a comment to another member stating that he was derailing the thread. I found that rude because many want to know if it was possible to add this feature to the 203, for all features are not set in stone at the moment. The member got a reply from someone from Darbee Vision and shared the information. Many would have been curious until it was released and this being an anticipation thread, it was important information. Not 100% want a 4k Darbee but the majority of Oppo user use it with their 103d/105d.
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I found that rude because many want to know if it was possible to add this feature to the 203, for all features are not set in stone at the moment.
Sorry but its already been stated very early on that Darbee is "NOT" a feature offered on the new UDP-203 since the 4k Darbee algorithm hasn't been finalized, let alone incorporated into a chip set.

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Sorry but its already been stated very early on that Darbee is "NOT" a feature offered on the new UDP-203 since the 4k Darbee algorithm hasn't been finalized, let alone incorporated into a chip set.
I don't think any feature set has been announced other than what one can glean from close inspection of the pictures of the 203, reading between the very narrow lines on Oppo's web site and the obvious ability play UHD Blu-ray discs. Would inclusion of Darbee for the considerable catalog of standard Blu-ray discs satisfy people? Because we could always start that rumor; Darbee for legacy discs.

I just never jumped onto the Darbee bandwagon so might someone inform me if those so equipped Oppos have a physical Darbee chip inside? In any event, if they included Darbee then we could have a "anticipation of the Darbee upgrade to the 203" thread. That would be just a treat! Regarding upscaling of a Darbee processed image I'd be surprised if it looked similar to the upscaled, unprocessed one. Garbage in, garbage out; isn't that the timeless epigram for computers?
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I don't think any feature set has been announced other than what one can glean from close inspection of the pictures of the 203, reading between the very narrow lines on Oppo's web site and the obvious ability play UHD Blu-ray discs. Would inclusion of Darbee for the considerable catalog of standard Blu-ray discs satisfy people? Because we could always start that rumor; Darbee for legacy discs.

I just never jumped onto the Darbee bandwagon so might someone inform me if those so equipped Oppos have a physical Darbee chip inside? In any event, if they included Darbee then we could have a "anticipation of the Darbee upgrade to the 203" thread. That would be just a treat! Regarding upscaling of a Darbee processed image I'd be surprised if it looked similar to the upscaled, unprocessed one. Garbage in, garbage out; isn't that the timeless epigram for computers?
Shouldn't you at least see its effect using microconstrast adjustments before completely writing it off? I just have a plain vanilla 103, but I might be tempted to hold onto it a little longer if a future player with built-in Darbee support arrives because I have yet to witness the aforementioned processing capability for myself, and the significant number of people enthralled by it has piqued my interest in terms of what it can provide PQ enhancement-wise. OLED has me on a 3D kick anyway, so I'm in no rush to jump in the realm of UHD discs.
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Please correct me if I'm wrong. History of Oppo- 103 & then 103D, 105 & then the 105D.
Maybe this is just their way of marketing. We shall see.
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just checking in. . . nothing. my buddy just ordered an older piece for a customer and oppo keeps telling him mid december. who knows. i check this thread each day in hopes but . . .

is this the longest thread about nothing on AVS? lol so much waiting and waiting with nothing to talk about.

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I have read every post in this thread so far. I cannot wait to get my hands on this new OPPO.

It is always funny to see people argue over details about a piece of hardware thas has not been officially "described" yet.

If I get SACD playback along with high res music files playback from a usb drive, plus UHD HDR WCG, I will be happy. If the OPPO can perform HDR to SDR conversion (nicely), I will be happier.

If the OPPO includes darbee processing, I will be extatic. Well, just being happy might be enough for now.
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For those just joining the conversation, we have moved on from Darbee discussion. Oppo has stated long ago there would be no Darbee available in this 203. Please continue Darbee discussion in the What features would you like thread. Perhaps in 6-12 months they will have a 203D.

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I don't think any feature set has been announced other than what one can glean from close inspection of the pictures of the 203, reading between the very narrow lines on Oppo's web site and the obvious ability play UHD Blu-ray discs. Would inclusion of Darbee for the considerable catalog of standard Blu-ray discs satisfy people? Because we could always start that rumor; Darbee for legacy discs.

I just never jumped onto the Darbee bandwagon so might someone inform me if those so equipped Oppos have a physical Darbee chip inside? In any event, if they included Darbee then we could have a "anticipation of the Darbee upgrade to the 203" thread. That would be just a treat! Regarding upscaling of a Darbee processed image I'd be surprised if it looked similar to the upscaled, unprocessed one. Garbage in, garbage out; isn't that the timeless epigram for computers?
Actually a feature set has been announced, kind of. Oppo's Australian distributor runs an oppopdigital.com.au site, an "official" Oppo site for Australia, and that site posted a page with some details of the 203. The page has since been taken down but some retailers copied the info that was on it. Here's a link to my local retailer's page for the 203:

https://www.aussiehifi.com.au/oppo-u...blu-ray-player

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Pre-order the UDP-203 for late 2016 delivery. Call us on 1300 308 711 for questions, or email [email protected]

The new OPPO UDP-203 player picks up where the BDP-10x series left off, by combining OPPO's renowned design with the jaw-dropping clarity of Ultra-HD 4K disc content. OPPO has come into the 4K market with their trademark quality, but with a highly competitive RRP of $949 (AUD).

The UDP-203 will support HDMI 2.0a with HDCP2.2 to deliver a stunning 4K picture with High Dynamic Range colour. The unit also boasts an audio-only HDMI 1.4 port to ensure backwards compatibility with older AV receivers. The on-board HDMI 2.0 input also allows you to pass other native 4K sources through the OPPO player.

With a premium 8-channel 32-bit DAC from AKM, the player can serve up PCM, AIFF, ALAC, FLAC and WAV audio up to 384kHz/32-bit, multi-channel DSD64/128 and even two-channel DSD256. The player also supports Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HD Master Audio, Dolby Atmos and DTS:X for a fully immersive experience.

Redesigned from the ground up, the OPPO UDP-203 delivers on looks both inside and out. With a black brushed-aluminium front panel and rack-mountable chassis (rack mounts not included), the UDP-203 is an irrefutability serious piece of hardware. Streaming of your local media is supported better than ever before, with a new-look interface that’s simple and easy to use while offering the power and flexibility OPPO players are famous for.

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SoC (System on Chip) UHD Blu-ray decoder
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Supports HDR and HDR-to-SDR conversion
DLNA/SMB media streaming

That list of features does not mention Dolby Vision but Oppo replied to a question about Dolby Vision on their Facebook page with the following comment:

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At launch, the UDP-203 will be capable of supporting HDR10. Additional support for other HDR formats such as Dolby Vision may be available at a later date via firmware upgrade, but it’s not something we can promise at this time.
That's the run down as I know it at present. Judging from the latest tease on Oppo's Facebook page, they should be releasing some more information next week.
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I see AVForums Product Page list the Oppo 203 with "Smart Features".
Is that an equal to apps?
I thought there wouldn't be apps on the 203. And if so, what is "Smart Features"?
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I see AVForums Product Page list the Oppo 203 with "Smart Features".
Is that an equal to apps?
I thought there wouldn't be apps on the 203. And if so, what is "Smart Features"?
Smart features are usually web or network based features in the terms of a Blu-Ray Player. This includes streaming video-on-demand services like Netflix, YouTube, and Hulu Plus; streaming music services like Pandora; streaming photo sites like Picasa. It also pertains to free control apps for your iOS or Android device to control the player over your home network.

As previously stated: "On-demand and app services such as Netflix, Vudu, Amazon, and Pandora will not be supported upon initial release of the player. Oppo's main concern is making sure the UDP-203 is speedy. They want to ensure fast load and read times and not have any other processes slow this down. Slow disc reading is a complaint often associated with other first generation Ultra HD Blu-ray players, something Oppo wants to avoid."
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