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post #2551 of 5094 Old 12-01-2016, 12:56 PM
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I don't think this is correct.

Passive speakers don't require an AVR. All they require is a power amp, and a way of controlling volume. With the 103/105 series players you can connect the analog outs of the player to power amps and use the analog volume control on the player's remote to control volume. You don't need an AVR or pre-amp, you can use the player as the pre-amp. There are many people using the analog outs from a 103/103D/105/105D player without using an AVR or an AVR pre-pro. They simply connect the player's analog outs to power amps and control volume using the volume control on their player's remote. The speaker configuration panel in the audio settings menu allows them to set trim levels for the various channels, distances for time alignment of the different channels, and crossover frequency for bass management.

There's no reason to think that the 203 is going to provide analog outs without similar speaker configuration and volume control options to the 103/105 series of players.

So I don't think an AVR is going to be necessary with passive speakers, just power amps for each speaker you're using.

Addition: the 103/103D/105/105D players have an audio delay setting for lip sync adjustments but you have to set the correct delay manually, it does not provide auto lip sync. If the 203 has the same audio functionality as the 103, it will have that as well.

I could be wrong...but I think Smarty-pants didn't mean to say you needed an "AVR" per se...just that you needed some form of amplification.
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^^ Yup


Especially since the OP made it clear that he's new to audio considerations. If he already has an AVR, it may be the path of least resistance.


No need for a new 4K AVR though - just split the signal, one to the TV and one to the AVR.
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I could be wrong...but I think Smarty-pants didn't mean to say you needed an "AVR" per se...just that your needed some form of amplification.
He may have meant that but he did not say that, and the OP responded by saying " I have a powered sub but the speakers require external amp/power so gotta stick with the HDMI route." If the 203 has the same audio capabilities as the 103 the OP does not need to "stick with the HDMI route" and that makes it necessary to point out that an AVR is not required, only power amps. Smarty-pants' response has given the OP the wrong impression which is why it is necessary to correct his statement.
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I noticed last night on the OPPO Web page, that the regular 103 now says "will be replaced soon by the 4k uhd 203".

But the 103D makes no mention of being replaced. So maybe the 103d will continue to be sold until a 203d comes out (if ever).
All the 103/103D/105/105D products should now be legacy (EOL). Until Darbee Inc gets their 4K DVP technical issues worked out, there is nothing to go forward with. I imagine there will be on occasional refurbs of these models for a limited time.

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I don't know if this has been discussed, but will I be able to connect my DirecTV box to the 203, like I can with the 103D, allowing the 203 to upscale DirecTV?

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Will this player have dual HDMI outs?
Yes, dual HDMI outs for direct connection to a 4K display for video transfer and a secondary connection to a non-4K passthrough-capable processor/AVR for audio transfer.
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I don't know if this has been discussed, but will I be able to connect my DirecTV box to the 203, like I can with the 103D, allowing the 203 to upscale DirecTV?
Yes, there is a HDMI input but there is only 1 of them, not 2 as in the 103D so if you have a second source you wish to connect to the 203 you're out of luck unless you use a HDMI switching box.
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Since we had several connector based questions here is a rear view of the UDP-203 again. (not a production unit)

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Yes, there is a HDMI input but there is only 1 of them, not 2 as in the 103D so if you have a second source you wish to connect to the 203 you're out of luck unless you use a HDMI switching box.
Pretty sure it's exactly the same. 1 in, 2 out.
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Pretty sure it's exactly the same. 1 in, 2 out.
According to Oppo's page for the 103D, it has "Dual HDMI Inputs/Outputs". The 203 has a single input and dual outputs. Not the same.
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According to Oppo's page for the 103D, it has "Dual HDMI Inputs/Outputs". The 203 has a single input and dual outputs. Not the same.
That's correct the previous BDP-10x series all had dual HDMI inputs.

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That's correct the previous BDP-10x series all had dual HDMI inputs.
If it's the hdmi plug in the front, I never realized it was an input.

But this can be quick fixed by using an adapter on the 1 input on the back.
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If it's the hdmi plug in the front, I never realized it was an input.
But this can be quick fixed by using an adapter on the 1 input on the back.
The previous line had a HDMI/MHL interface (HDMI 1.4) in the front. It was handy for something like a MHL powered Roku streaming stick with a right angle adapter. The UPD-203 will now just have a single HDMI input on the rear.

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He may have meant that but he did not say that, and the OP responded by saying " I have a powered sub but the speakers require external amp/power so gotta stick with the HDMI route." If the 203 has the same audio capabilities as the 103 the OP does not need to "stick with the HDMI route" and that makes it necessary to point out that an AVR is not required, only power amps. Smarty-pants' response has given the OP the wrong impression which is why it is necessary to correct his statement.
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I don't think this is correct.

Passive speakers don't require an AVR. All they require is a power amp, and a way of controlling volume. With the 103/105 series players you can connect the analog outs of the player to power amps and use the analog volume control on the player's remote to control volume. You don't need an AVR or pre-amp, you can use the player as the pre-amp. There are many people using the analog outs from a 103/103D/105/105D player without using an AVR or an AVR pre-pro. They simply connect the player's analog outs to power amps and control volume using the volume control on their player's remote. The speaker configuration panel in the audio settings menu allows them to set trim levels for the various channels, distances for time alignment of the different channels, and crossover frequency for bass management.

There's no reason to think that the 203 is going to provide analog outs without similar speaker configuration and volume control options to the 103/105 series of players.

So I don't think an AVR is going to be necessary with passive speakers, just power amps for each speaker you're using.

Addition: the 103/103D/105/105D players have an audio delay setting for lip sync adjustments but you have to set the correct delay manually, it does not provide auto lip sync. If the 203 has the same audio functionality as the 103, it will have that as well.
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He may have meant that but he did not say that, and the OP responded by saying " I have a powered sub but the speakers require external amp/power so gotta stick with the HDMI route." If the 203 has the same audio capabilities as the 103 the OP does not need to "stick with the HDMI route" and that makes it necessary to point out that an AVR is not required, only power amps. Smarty-pants' response has given the OP the wrong impression which is why it is necessary to correct his statement.
As others mentioned, I was not explicitly saying that an AVR was the only way he could hook up a system.
For the most part I was trying to keep it simple for the OP since he specifically said "I'm a newbie with audio stuff".
The direct_to_amp configuration entered my mind, but I chose not to type it since I consider that something for more advanced users.
While the 10x players work pretty well for that (did it myself for quite a long time ), it's just not advice I would give
someone who is not familiar with how easy it can be to blow a system with a configuration like that if they aren't
experienced enough to know how to set it up properly.
I would also never recommend the direct_to_amp setup for anyone who doesn't have a properly sound treated room.

BTW, I have no idea where you got that supposed quote from, but I read back through his comments and see no such post. (???)
...other than he said he didn't see a plug in for the subwoofer, but that's a far cry from the quote you posted.
If what you quoted is there, I sure can't find it.
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As others mentioned, I was not explicitly saying that an AVR was the only way he could hook up a system.
For the most part I was trying to keep it simple for the OP since he see specifically said "I'm a newbie with audio stuff".
The direct_to_amp configuration entered my mind, but I chose not to type it since I consider that something for more advanced users.
While the 10x players work pretty well for that (did it myself for quite a long time ), it's just not advice I would give
someone who is not familiar with how easy it can be to blow a system with a configuration like that if they aren't
experienced enough to know how to set it up properly.
I would also never recommend the direct_to_amp setup for anyone who doesn't have a properly sound treated room.

BTW, I have no idea where you got that supposed quote from, but I read back through his comments and see no such post. (???)
...other than he said he didn't see a plug in for the subwoofer, but that's a far cry from the quote you posted.
If what you quoted is there, I sure can't find it.
The OP's post I quoted from was the post directly after your response, it was his response to your post.

I've got a 105 and I have used it as a pre-amp directly into power amps and run 2 subs from the 105 as well using a Y adapter. I've also used an AVR and I have gone back to using one at present.

I tend to recommend the use of an AVR to anyone who is asking questions about how to do a direct to amp setup from a 103/105 simply because I tend to think that anyone who has to ask questions about how to do it is probably going to find it a lot easier to get good results using an AVR with an automated setup procedure than it is to get similar results doing it the hard way. The main reason I went back to using an AVR was that I had a rather complicated 2 sub setup with the subs operating in stereo mode plus sharing the LFE channel and setting up and balancing the subs simply became too much of a pain for me. I decided to opt for convenience over the benefit of stereo subs which I quite like. I'm definitely not against recommending an AVR.

I do think, however, that we should provide answers which accurately address the question asked. After all, it's not much harder to say that "you don't need an AVR, you can simply drive your speakers with power amps, but the setup can sometimes be demanding and if you haven't got experience in manual setup then I recommend using an AVR because the setup process is usually simpler". The reason I think we need to answer the actual question, even if we're going to recommend something different, is because responses in threads like this get read by people other than the OP who may be seeking the same information that the OP asked for and some of those people may be more than capable of doing the manual setup with the player controlling the speakers. If the only person who was going to read your response was the OP, I would not have had the same concerns about the response you made because using an AVR is probably the best option for the OP, especially since it seems he already has one. Even so, however, I do think he should be told that the AVR is not the only way to go and that power amps are an alternative option.
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Any more news regarding whether or not the 203 will be able to output SDR BT2020?
I assume you mean output SDR 2020 without a Fury forcing it to.

There was an interview (either quoted on AVforums or Audioholics) with an Oppo engineer or product manager or marketing person, where he acknowledged that this is a popular request and noted that it is on the roadmap but may not be present at release -- and i inferred might be considered a "beta" feature even when present, like so many features on prior Oppo's (eg, media streaming).

I sure hope he was under promising and that Oppo chooses to over deliver and include this, even if they call it "beta", in the firmware at time of release.
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The OP's post I quoted from was the post directly after your response, it was his response to your post.

I've got a 105 and I have used it as a pre-amp directly into power amps and run 2 subs from the 105 as well using a Y adapter. I've also used an AVR and I have gone back to using one at present.

I tend to recommend the use of an AVR to anyone who is asking questions about how to do a direct to amp setup from a 103/105 simply because I tend to think that anyone who has to ask questions about how to do it is probably going to find it a lot easier to get good results using an AVR with an automated setup procedure than it is to get similar results doing it the hard way. The main reason I went back to using an AVR was that I had a rather complicated 2 sub setup with the subs operating in stereo mode plus sharing the LFE channel and setting up and balancing the subs simply became too much of a pain for me. I decided to opt for convenience over the benefit of stereo subs which I quite like. I'm definitely not against recommending an AVR.

I do think, however, that we should provide answers which accurately address the question asked. After all, it's not much harder to say that "you don't need an AVR, you can simply drive your speakers with power amps, but the setup can sometimes be demanding and if you haven't got experience in manual setup then I recommend using an AVR because the setup process is usually simpler". The reason I think we need to answer the actual question, even if we're going to recommend something different, is because responses in threads like this get read by people other than the OP who may be seeking the same information that the OP asked for and some of those people may be more than capable of doing the manual setup with the player controlling the speakers. If the only person who was going to read your response was the OP, I would not have had the same concerns about the response you made because using an AVR is probably the best option for the OP, especially since it seems he already has one. Even so, however, I do think he should be told that the AVR is not the only way to go and that power amps are an alternative option.
Ok, I see that quote now. It was AFTER my response, lol.
You made it sound like it was BEFORE my response and that I should have considered it in my response, or at least that's how I read it.
I also never said the ONLY way to go was an AVR, I was just recommending that to him, (and not to the entire internet).
You do make some good points though.
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Alternatively, it looks like the 203 also has a second HDMI output for AUDIO ONLY, and if said legacy AVR has HDMI 1.4 capabilities,
then you could also use that output for audio in lieu of the analog outputs.

This is all based on the theory that the outputs work the same as they do with the current Oppo BD players,
and based on the labels of the rear panel of the 203 shown at CEDIA a couple months ago.
.....so, with my Anthem MRX-500 (HDMI 1.4, no HDMI-ARC), I could go HDMI video from 203 to my 4K Display, and then this AUDIO ONLY HDMI, from 203 to my Anthem AVR, i.e., no optical/ toslink, to the AVR???

If so, neat!! Would there be more audio choices above and beyond DD 5.1, that would be available if I had to do Optical out connection?

This feature really goes a long way with slowing the money drop for upgrading my AVR.......
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I am sure that this will not be the only 4K player Oppo comes out with. We will probably see a unit at the $1500.00 price range that will have Dolby vision, darbee process. And will be a great audio player.


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.....so, with my Anthem MRX-500 (HDMI 1.4, no HDMI-ARC), I could go HDMI video from 203 to my 4K Display, and then this AUDIO ONLY HDMI, from 203 to my Anthem AVR, i.e., no optical/ toslink, to the AVR???

If so, neat!! Would there be more audio choices above and beyond DD 5.1, that would be available if I had to do Optical out connection?

This feature really goes a long way with slowing the money drop for upgrading my AVR.......
I believe that is exactly correct. I am counting on it in my own setup.
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Regarding dual HDMI outputs, is there any benefit at all to going this route directly into my LG B6 if my receiver (Marantz SR7010) supports 4K? I'd heard some receivers might mess with the signal a bit, although I turned video processing off.
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Interesting issue you bring up. We all know what upscaling is; E.g., 1080P --> 4K. What do you call remapping color space? Up-mapping? Kinda ugly sounding. Re-mapping? A bit vague since one can re-map up to BT202o or down-mapping for std HD TVs. How about Up-spacing & Down-spacing? Just opaque enough to satisfy the argot of jargoneers. Perfect.
It's called colour space conversion. Or colour volume conversion.
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.....so, with my Anthem MRX-500 (HDMI 1.4, no HDMI-ARC), I could go HDMI video from 203 to my 4K Display, and then this AUDIO ONLY HDMI, from 203 to my Anthem AVR, i.e., no optical/ toslink, to the AVR???

If so, neat!! Would there be more audio choices above and beyond DD 5.1, that would be available if I had to do Optical out connection?

This feature really goes a long way with slowing the money drop for upgrading my AVR.......
Yep, that's how it would work.
As for the optical connection... that connection is more limited than HDMI.
You more robust audio codecs like DolbyTrueHD and DTS-HD/MA can't be passed over optical/coaxial connections.
Instead you would get the lossy soundtrack from movies, and it's limited in other facets too like no DSD form SACDs, etc...
However lossy audio can still sound good and audio from CDs would be fine too, and you can still get up to 7.1 audio.
Stick with HDMI if you can though. HDMI has it's own unique issues, but when it works you get the best PQ and AQ.
On yet another plane, your analog audio connections can also get the AQ too, even better than optical,
but of course it's a bit old school and you have to connect lots of cables.
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Regarding dual HDMI outputs, is there any benefit at all to going this route directly into my LG B6 if my receiver (Marantz SR7010) supports 4K? I'd heard some receivers might mess with the signal a bit, although I turned video processing off.
Most modern AVRs/processors won't usually muck with the video and has options to pass video unmolested to the display.
Usually you will be fine by routing the video that way, and going directly to the display from the player
is usually reserved for bypassing a processor that can't do things like 3D or HDCP 2.2/4K.
Of course it also won't hurt anything if you decide to send video direct to the display anyway.
Some people like to, just for peace of mind, to keep from wondering if their AVR may be doing something odd
that they aren't aware of. Oppo covers Audiophiles, Videophiles, and the paranoid.
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Yesterday I sent an email to Oppo regarding the up coming Model UDP-203 and here is there response.

Paul,


We are looking to release the UDP-203 (http://oppodigital.com/uhd) mid-month for an estimated MSRP of $499 to $599.



Best Regards,

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Regarding dual HDMI outputs, is there any benefit at all to going this route directly into my LG B6 if my receiver (Marantz SR7010) supports 4K? I'd heard some receivers might mess with the signal a bit, although I turned video processing off.
I've tried it both ways with my Marantz SR6010 and the Sammy 8500. My eyes tell me I get a better pic running video direct to tv. Perhaps it's the placebo effect in that I believe in keeping the chain as simple as possible. But, I'm certain that when I get the Oppo I'll be trying both configurations since we all love to tinker!
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Yesterday I sent an email to Oppo regarding the up coming Model UDP-203 and here is there response.

Paul,


We are looking to release the UDP-203 (http://oppodigital.com/uhd) mid-month for an estimated MSRP of $499 to $599.



Best Regards,

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Fax: 650-961-1119


No doubt that it will NOT be $499 and this was my guess for awhile now . It will be $599 MSRP but maybe there will be a limited time initial offer for folks that signed up for the email of $549.. Just my thought on the matter..
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I've tried it both ways with my Marantz SR6010 and the Sammy 8500. My eyes tell me I get a better pic running video direct to tv. Perhaps it's the placebo effect in that I believe in keeping the chain as simple as possible. But, I'm certain that when I get the Oppo I'll be trying both configurations since we all love to tinker!
Well, when it comes to upscaling a standard Blu-Ray 1080p to my 4k tv. My tv does a far better job than the UBD-K8500.
Så when watching ordinary blu-rays I set K8500 to output 1080p, and let my tv do the scaling.
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Regarding dual HDMI outputs, is there any benefit at all to going this route directly into my LG B6 if my receiver (Marantz SR7010) supports 4K? I'd heard some receivers might mess with the signal a bit, although I turned video processing off.
If you disable all video processing in the AVR, the signal should pass through unmolested. But you can always experiment to determine whether you perceive any difference.

Bear in mind that there are some disadvantages to using dual HDMI outputs to separate the audio and video paths from the BDP to the display, to wit: (1) additional cable clutter, (2) more opportunity for HDMI handshake glitches, and, most notably, (3) omission of video overlay from the AVR for such things as volume adjustments, menu access or information screens.
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