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I've just confirmed this failure in my test setup. I've reported the details to OPPO via Beta Tester channels.

CAUTION: If your display supports NEITHER HDR-10 nor Dolby Vision, you will not get good video from this Beta firmware when playing Dolby Vision discs!

There is no workaround I know of at this time. The fix will require updated firmware from OPPO.

There is no such problem when playing SD-DVD, regular Blu-ray, 3D Blu-ray, or UHD/HDR-10 discs.

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This may seem like a silly question but I see so many posts about DV and HDR I have to ask -
Does HDR or DV really matter if you have an OLED TV?


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Does HDR or DV really matter if you have an OLED TV?
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Speaking only for myself: I don't know enough about DV to say.

Converting non-HDR or HDR10 content to DV seems like a goofy thing to do and I'm not bothering with it. If others like it, I don't mind, but I'm leaving that on Auto, meaning only DV sources produce DV for me.

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I wonder if it is Dolby's own version of on the fly dynamic tone mapping similar to what the LG and Sony TVs can do and their "reason" for not embracing HDR10+ (effectively does what HDR10+ does already). It could be Dolby's answer to HDR10+. Just speculating...
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So why would you the player do the conversion instead of the tv?

Added the “Dolby Vision” mode under the HDR Setting menu, which allows the player to convert the output to Dolby Vision when possible.
Added the “Dolby Vision Processing” setting under the HDR Setting menu. This setting allows customers to choose whether Dolby Vision processing is handled mainly by the TV or the UDP-20x player.
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Trying to figure that out myself

The whole reason for this new firmware release is that:

  1. The original Dolby spec relied on the display doing all of the DV work.
  2. Sony TVs of a particular stripe for whatever reason couldn't handle the DV decoding in the agreed upon fashion
  3. Sony went to Dolby and whined about it.
  4. Dolby capitulated and created a "Sony DV" profile that requires any player feeding a Sony TV a DV signal to take on some of the decoding work.
  5. Sony was happy, the player / other input device manufacturers are now forced to take on more work.
  6. Oppo, to its credit put a lot of work in to put in this Sony required functionality in addition to the DV functions that it has for all other TVs.

Hence the new firmware. It enables a group of Sony TVs that have been updated to the "Sony DV" functionality to show DV content from Oppo players.
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The whole reason for this new firmware release is that:


  1. The original Dolby spec relied on the display doing all of the DV work.
  2. Sony TVs of a particular stripe for whatever reason couldn't handle the DV decoding in the agreed upon fashion
  3. Sony went to Dolby and whined about it.
  4. Dolby capitulated and created a "Sony DV" profile that requires any player feeding a Sony TV a DV signal to take on some of the decoding work.
  5. Sony was happy, the player / other input device manufacturers are now forced to take on more work.
  6. Oppo, to its credit put a lot of work in to put in this Sony requierd functionality in addition to the DV functions that it has for all other TVs.



Hence the new firmware. It enables a group of Sony TVs that have been updated to the "Sony DV" functionality to show DV content from Oppo players.


I know that. I'm just talking about that settings to have the TV process vs the player. Either setting sends DV correctly on my A1E. Is this a bug?

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I know that. I'm just talking about that settings to have the TV process vs the player. Either setting sends DV correctly on my A1E. Is this a bug?
Is the device known to accept both profiles? Some do: the LGs after the "6" series, for example.

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The LG E6 is evidently returning a handshake result saying it can not accept the low latency profile.
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Are you being model specific here? It works on a e.g. a B6 but not an E6? In any case, the posts I've read say the P5-only ATV4K sends DV to a 2016 LG OLED. Just with (reported) "elevated" blacks.

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I've just confirmed this failure in my test setup. I've reported the details to OPPO via Beta Tester channels.

CAUTION: If your display supports NEITHER HDR-10 nor Dolby Vision, you will not get good video from this Beta firmware when playing Dolby Vision discs!

There is no workaround I know of at this time. The fix will require updated firmware from OPPO.

There is no such problem when playing SD-DVD, regular Blu-ray, 3D Blu-ray, or UHD/HDR-10 discs.

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It appears the Dolby certification tests still require /60 for that. It has to do with the processing bandwidth spec'd by the Dolby Vision engine during that conversion. I.e., not enough bandwidth at /24.
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OK, I've FOUND THE WORKAROUND!

The PROBLEM is that the OPPO is mistakenly using /24 output when attempting to do this Dolby Vision conversion for a display that accepts NEITHER HDR-10 nor Dolby Vision.

The WORKAROUND is to set the OPPO to Custom > 1080p 60Hz video output when you want to play a Dolby Vision disc into such a display.

Set that way Dolby Vision discs should play just fine into such displays. You will get proper 1080p SDR BT.709.

You can continue to use 1080p Auto output for other content, including conversion of UHD/HDR-10 discs for output to such a display.

And if your display accepts HDR-10 or Dolby Vision there is no such problem, so no Workaround needed.

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Is the device known to accept both profiles? Some do: the LGs after the "6" series, for example.



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That I'm not sure of. The way it's written in the firmware notes, it seems the TV led processing wouldn't work since that is what I thought this whole update was about.

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Are you being model specific here? It works on a e.g. a B6 but not an E6?
I don't have a B6 to test, and I've not seen a handshake dump from OPPO for the B6. The handshake dump for the E6 shows it is reporting it can only accept the normal profile. When you set TV-led, the OPPO will send low latency profile despite that -- thus the video corruption.
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I don't have a B6 to test, and I've not seen a handshake dump from OPPO for the B6. The handshake dump for the E6 shows it is reporting it can only accept the normal profile. When you set TV-led, the OPPO will send low latency profile despite that -- thus the video corruption.

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Ah so even on the Sony a1e if I set to TV led it'll still send as Player led?

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  1. The original Dolby spec relied on the display doing all of the DV work.
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  3. Sony went to Dolby and whined about it.
  4. Dolby capitulated and created a "Sony DV" profile that requires any player feeding a Sony TV a DV signal to take on some of the decoding work.
This is not correct.

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It's extremely random that the Sony x700 can fix the elevated black issues with the 2016 LG oleds but the Oppo using what many assume is the same profile is unable to do the same.

I'm sitting on a unopened unit waiting for a fix from either Oppo or LG, otherwise I may just have to sell it and go with the Sony unit since all I really care about is playing Dolby Vision content properly on my B6

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The handshake dump for the E6 shows it is reporting it can only accept the normal profile.
Sorry, I posted before I finished typing. Are you saying the ATV4K can't send DV to an E6?

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Sorry, I posted before I finished typing. Are you saying the ATV4K can't send DV to an E6?
Nope. The ATV4K works just fine sending Dolby Vision to the E6. Go figur....
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Ah so even on the Sony a1e if I set to TV led it'll still send as Player led?
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I found and purchased a 203 today!

Question for the group. Is there any issue with me coming out of my Marantz SR-6011 into the 203 and then from there to the LG B7A in order to allow the Oppo to do all the 4K upscaling and tone mapping for all of my non-4K sources?

I have the SR-6011 and 203 as well. Why wouldn't you just pass the video (and audio) signal through the AVR and then to the TV?

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It's extremely random that the Sony x700 can fix the elevated black issues with the 2016 LG oleds but the Oppo using what many assume is the same profile is unable to do the same.

I'm sitting on a unopened unit waiting for a fix from either Oppo or LG, otherwise I may just have to sell it and go with the Sony unit since all I really care about is playing Dolby Vision content properly on my B6
I have not tried to confirm for myself what the Sony 700 is doing. It seems unlikely they have managed to find a workaround for a bug that LG and Dolby both admit is in the HDMI processing code in the LG panel.

The only thing I can think of is that the Sony is ACTUALLY sending HDR-10 (which doesn't have the problem), but doing so in such a way that it tricks the LG panel into displaying its Dolby Vision icon.
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That I'm not sure of. The way it's written in the firmware notes, it seems the TV led processing wouldn't work since that is what I thought this whole update was about.
If both end points support multiple profiles there must be a way to select one. Even if that means manual control.
It hard for me not to see it as bug-like* if the OPPO really sends an incompatible profile when it has a compatible profile or HDR10 if there are no compatible profiles. Unless they want to enable a certain kind of testing.

*Odd behavior like sending RGB to a YUV display is not unheard of.

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I have not tried to confirm for myself what the Sony 700 is doing. It seems unlikely they have managed to find a workaround for a bug that LG and Dolby both admit is in the HDMI processing code in the LG panel.

The only thing I can think of is that the Sony is ACTUALLY sending HDR-10 (which doesn't have the problem), but doing so in such a way that it tricks the LG panel into displaying its Dolby Vision icon.
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Huh? That's not what I said, and as far as I know that is not correct.

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Apologies. Treat this as a new question then. I have set my 203 to "TV led" to my A1E. Is the player recognising the A1E and converting to "Player led" even though I don't have that set in the Oppo? The TV should only be able to handle player led since it's a Sony, right?

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When you set TV-led, the OPPO will send low latency profile despite that -- thus the video corruption.
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Nope. The ATV4K works just fine sending Dolby Vision to the E6. Go figur....
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These statements appear contradictory.

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Apologies. Treat this as a new question then. I have set my 203 to "TV led" to my A1E. Is the player recognising the A1E and converting to "Player led" even though I don't have that set in the Oppo? The TV should only be able to handle player led since it's a Sony, right?
That's my understanding. I don't have a Sony panel I can test on.

Get in touch with OPPO Tech Support and they can sort this out for you. You can use the Email Us link on their Support page for the player:

https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-...3-Support.aspx

For your Sony, I would expect Dolby Vision Processing Auto and Player-led to work. I would expect TV-led to fail, but OPPO might have handled that specially.

Are you sure TV-led is getting Dolby Vision output to your A1E instead of HDR-10?
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That's my understanding. I don't have a Sony panel I can test on.



Get in touch with OPPO Tech Support and they can sort this out for you. You can use the Email Us link on their Support page for the player:



https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-...3-Support.aspx



For your Sony, I would expect Dolby Vision Processing Auto and Player-led to work. I would expect TV-led to fail, but OPPO might have handled that specially.



Are you sure TV-led is getting Dolby Vision output to your A1E instead of HDR-10?

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I'm getting the logo, and the extended info shows DV, but maybe it's HDR10 packaged in it or something. Thanks for the link

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Yes. [Ultra HD] benefits are independent of panel technology.
THanks - I didn't think it mattered much since OLEDs aren't very bright. I though DV and HDR were calibrated for TVs with up to 4000 nits.
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It's extremely random that the Sony x700 can fix the elevated black issues with the 2016 LG oleds but the Oppo using what many assume is the same profile is unable to do the same.
Apple did the same thing for the 2017 LG OLEDs so I don't think the profile has anything to do with it. The assertion that it can only be fixed in the display might be better read as it can only be fixed perfectly with some help from the display. For some value of perfectly.

When I saw undecoded DV on my display uneven blacks were obvious in the letter box. Perhaps that content specific noise breaks tone mapping and cleaning that noise resolves the issue. Being able to switch from P7 to P5 might provide some insight for LG x6 owners. Or not. In any case exposing a control makes the OPPO extra useful in some cases.
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I have the SR-6011 and 203 as well. Why wouldn't you just pass the video (and audio) signal through the AVR and then to the TV?


Yeah I realized that if I did what I suggested, I wouldn’t have the audio from the 203 into the AVR! I was trying to have the 203 do my 4K upscaling but what I realized is that I really only need it for my xfinity box. So I’ll run the xfinity box through the 203 and then, like you said, go from the 203 to the AVR and then to the TV.

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Do you think its too late for them to put some other features into the firmware? 2 things I would like that I've emailed them about is the ability to use M3U playlists, and the ability to change the order of Oppo created playlists. If you can believe it you have to add songs to the Oppo playlist in the reverse order of how you want them to be played. Honestly the former is the bigger deal. I'd prefer to make them that way. Another thing would be nice is if I could gapless play from album sort. Right now you can only gapless play by going to through the folder menus. But if I sort by album, go to the album and play it won't be gapless, even though all the songs are in the same folder and play gapless via that way.
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