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Been googling and cant seem to find an answer, what is the max current on the usb inputs on the rear of the player? Also do those usb ports power off completely when the player is switched off?
Looking to run a 1A bias light that only comes on when using the player
The manual says 5V 1000mA. Might work.

The USB ports are off when the player is off.

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Hi,


sorry if I doesn't get it right.


But does non DV to DV conversion works on LG 6 Systems ?


Saw here some posts with problems with the beta update dv conversion and LG 6 Systems.


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I apologize, what I meant was HDMI Main Output Info.

I have the Sony A1E
I have the Sony X930E

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Just to be clear, if I have the Color Space setting at 4:2:2:

UHD with DV: Output info color space shows BT709, 4:2:2
UHD without DV: Output info color space shows BT2020, 4:2:2
Mine shows BT.2020 (Spiderman Homecoming DV.)

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If the Color Space settings at Auto:

UHD with DV: Output info color space shows BT2020 4:2:2
UHD without DV: Output info color space shows BT2020 4:4:4

So just leave the color space setting at auto even though UHD without DV at 4:4:4?
Mine shows just what yours is showing playing Oblivion (HDR10).

I agree with Bill. Just ignore the output settings until the regular firmware gets released as it's probably a glitch with the beta.
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sorry if I doesn't get it right.


But does non DV to DV conversion works on LG 6 Systems ?


Saw here some posts with problems with the beta update dv conversion and LG 6 Systems.


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Anyone else experienced this issue?

Am watching The Matrix and at the 1:14:00 point the Dolby Vision logo appeared on the top right of TV again. Never had this happen with any other DV movie while using the Sony X700 or the one I watched on the 203. Think this is a glitch during a layer change?

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Anyone else experienced this issue?

Am watching The Matrix and at the 1:14:00 point the Dolby Vision logo appeared on the top right of TV again. Never had this happen with any other DV movie while using the Sony X700 or the one I watched on the 203. Think this is a glitch during a layer change?
Just checked mine, no DV logo at the time you indicated. Sounds like HDMI reinitializing perhaps. Is this repeatable for you?
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Maybe a cable problem? The devices lost sync for a split second maybe?
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And how exactly is the Sony player accessing and changing/improving a closed source end to end DV workflow to improve the picture? The answer is it can't.
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Not before the decoding it can't .... Anything that happens after that differently is on Apple.

If you're going to move the goal posts you should go back and edit your posts. The critical bit is "it can't" and yet Apple has* and, if you believe John Archer's version of reality, so has Sony. The latter quote of yours above is confusing but if you're saying "I was wrong before and Apple did fix DV blooming in Netflix content on the LG x7" well then okay.


By the way the idea that a DV stream is an inviolate object is wrong per Dolby. They prefer if you leave them alone and if you break one you get to keep both parts.


*The Apple fix in tvOS 11.3 for floating black levels on 2017 LG OLEDS in DV streams is well known. Likewise the change in the same version that enabled DV streams to Sony displays.

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On Cinavia detection: I've run a test with the current beta using an SMB file and Cinavia is still not detected.

This surprises me. When the 203 appeared it had very strict detection, with only the HDMI input and HDMI/ARC excepted. At some point detection dropped off.

I can't believe this will be allowed to continue, but here we are.

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I've tried to get a coherent view of what happens if you select "player-led" for a non-Sony display -- but I'm not sure. If I force player-led on my C7 I'm getting an RGB stream in a 422 12b BT2020 YUV container as shown. Is this what's supposed to happen? And yes I realize I'm likely just inviting trouble using a feature I don't need.
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I've tried to get a coherent view of what happens if you select "player-led" for a non-Sony display -- but I'm not sure. If I force player-led on my C7 I'm getting an RGB stream in a 422 12b BT2020 YUV container as shown. Is this what's supposed to happen? And yes I realize I'm likely just inviting trouble using a feature I don't need.


I saw similar things when I tried it on my B7. I guess it’s only for TVs that support it because it sends a signal our TVs don’t know what to do with. Whether you have a sony Tv that uses player-led or something else that uses TV-led you should get the same picture from the player. The differences come down to the panel and tone mapping in the tv.

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I apologize, what I meant was HDMI Main Output Info.



I have the Sony A1E



Just to be clear, if I have the Color Space setting at 4:2:2:



UHD with DV: Output info color space shows BT709, 4:2:2

UHD without DV: Output info color space shows BT2020, 4:2:2



If the Color Space settings at Auto:



UHD with DV: Output info color space shows BT2020 4:2:2

UHD without DV: Output info color space shows BT2020 4:4:4



So just leave the color space setting at auto even though UHD without DV at 4:4:4?


You can set the output to 12bit 4:2:2, 10bit 4:4:4, or auto for HDR10. Dolby vision will always force 12bit 4:2:2 as the display mode. What you see is normal
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If you're going to move the goal posts you should go back and edit your posts.
First things first. I wasn't responding to or interacting with you when you copied my first post to the other poster so no goal post moving here plus I never edit what I post because I try to do my research very well before posting and if I'm wrong about something I just admit it and usually just add an addendum below where I was incorrect. I try to never to remove/edit anything (other than for fixing spelling/ grammar or punctuation errors) I've posted if I think what I wrote was correct and if I'm wrong I have a strong enough sense of self to not be too embarrassed to leave a mistake in writing online or admit one the same. This is how we all learn here. In other words thanks for the editorial advice but I'm good with what I wrote earlier and in the context it was written for.

He stated the Sony player had an improved DV picture over the OPPO with both decoding the same HEVC container with the same attached DV XML metadata to forward to the display. He's since reset one or both of the players(I forget which) and now states the pictures looks the same on the display using both players.


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The critical bit is "it can't" and yet Apple has* and, if you believe John Archer's version of reality, so has Sony. The latter quote of yours above is confusing but if you're saying "I was wrong before and Apple did fix DV blooming in Netflix content on the LG x7" well then okay.
Thanks, but I'll say what I'm saying if you don't mind. I'm saying, "Apple hasn't and if YOU believe John Archer's article on the Sony player it was Dolby with the fix not Sony.":

"It also seems that, somehow, Sony's 'bespoke' TV and X700 firmware-based Dolby Vision solution fixes previous DV issues with suddenly raised black levels over HDMI."

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#4b43a2b4548c




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By the way the idea that a DV stream is an inviolate object is wrong per Dolby. They prefer if you leave them alone and if you break one you get to keep both parts.
I never said you couldn't "screw it up" after decoding but actually making changes to it's data after it's been decoded and improving the picture without breaking it in some way seems like a stretch. Especially since both source devices and sink devices have to sign up for the Dolby Vision Licensing and pass it's testing to be labeled as DV capable. Show me one place in the Dolby Vision White Paper linked below where this latter statement about preference is supported in DV's workings please?

"The Dolby Vision composer is responsible for reassembling the full-range signal from the base layer, the

enhancement layer, and the metadata."

DISPLAY MAPPER

"The display mapper is tuned for the target display device: it knows the maximum and minimum

brightness, color gamut, and other characteristics. Metadata that accompanies the full-range Dolby

Vision video signal carries information about the original system used to grade the content and any

special information about the signal. Using this metadata, the Display Mapper intelligently transforms

the full-range signal to produce the best possible output on the target device."

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in·vi·o·late
inˈvīələt/Submit
adjective
free or safe from injury or violation.

No, Dolby Vision is not inviolate but it is closed source:

"Closed source software can be defined as proprietary software distributed under a licensing agreement to authorized users with private modification, copying, and republishing restrictions."




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The Apple fix in tvOS 11.3 for floating black levels on 2017 LG OLEDS in DV streams is well known. Likewise the change in the same version that enabled DV streams to Sony displays.[/SIZE]
Here's link's to 2 of John Archers articles below stating it was a Dolby Vision EF up streaming through HDMI and a Dolby Vision fix to 2017 OLEDS not an Apple one. Plus no mention of it in the 11.3's release notes.


https://developer.apple.com/library/...017700-CH1-SW5

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#312f9fa2906b

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarc.../#6f47a13eade4


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On Cinavia detection: I've run a test with the current beta using an SMB file and Cinavia is still not detected.

This surprises me. When the 203 appeared it had very strict detection, with only the HDMI input and HDMI/ARC excepted. At some point detection dropped off.

I can't believe this will be allowed to continue, but here we are.

-Bill
What type of file did you test? Mkv? M2ts? In my experience with the Oppo, since the beginning the player has only detected Cinavia on full structure folders via USB or network.

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I’ve asked this before but I never get an answer. So I’ll try again.

I have several UHD ISO’s on my Synology NAS. Can this player play back those with the original Dolby vision stream and Dolby Atmos like playing a disc? Or are there limitations?

Depending on the answer I will order one right away and sell my ATV 4K.

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Ah! Yes, I believe the USB DAC firmware install kits from the OPPO Digital site here in the US will work without problem for your EU version 205.

However, I would recommend you email OPPO Tech Support in the US for confirmation before you try it. You can use the Email Us link on OPPO's Support page for the 205:

https://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-...5-Support.aspx

Please note that the new features in that 0118 USB DAC firmware -- e.g., MQA support -- won't be functional until you also update your EU version 205 to the upcoming, EU version, Public Beta 0601B firmware. However, I don't believe updating the DAC ahead of time will break anything with respect to your current firmware.

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I already installed the new US USB DAC firmware successfully a few days ago, in two steps, but without the EU firmware as it is still not available here. Nothing seems to be broken. While playing MQA from Tidal as a simple test, the info screen shows, after a short delay, 88.4 or 96 as input on the top left side but no MQA Studio on the right, and without any sound through digital, only analog. We will have to wait for a few more days I guess...

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What type of file did you test? Mkv? M2ts?
MKV. I always forget about M2TS.

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No, earlier in the history of the player it detected Cinavia on every type of source, including the file I tested last night.

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I’ve asked this before but I never get an answer. So I’ll try again.

I have several UHD ISO’s on my Synology NAS. Can this player play back those with the original Dolby vision stream and Dolby Atmos like playing a disc? Or are there limitations?

Depending on the answer I will order one right away and sell my ATV 4K.
The player does not support ISO files anywhere.

If you unpack the ISO into a BDMV folder it can be made to work, although this is not officially supported. If it stops working in the future: no complaining.

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I already installed the new US USB DAC firmware successfully a few days ago, in two steps, but without the EU firmware as it is still not available here. Nothing seems to be broken. While playing MQA from Tidal as a simple test, the info screen shows, after a short delay, 88.4 or 96 as input on the top left side but no MQA Studio on the right, and without any sound through digital, only analog. We will have to wait for a few more days I guess...

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Got my 203 in the mail yesterday and hooked it up last night. I watched some DV+DA/DTS:X content last night (parts of Gladiator and Spider-Man Homecoming) and I’m absolutely blown away. I’ve seen and heard DV+DA from the TV (LG B7A) Netflix app and via ARC, but it looks noticeably better on disc and from the 203! I had an idea last night and wanted to ask the experts here if it would work.

Could I go from my AVR (Marantz SR-6011) output to the Oppo 203 input and then the have the Main Oppo output go to the TV and the Audio Only Oppo output go to an AVR input (to get 203s audio to AVR)? I’d effectively be running all sources (Xfinity cable box, ATV4K, Nintendo Switch, Xbox One S) first through the AVR for audio processing, then through the Oppo for visual processing.

Concerns are 1) I use ARC from the TV for my PS4 which is directly plugged into another TV input. I get audio to the receiver from the PS4 via ARC to the receiver which has only 1 ARC input (same as main output). In the new setup that HDMI into the TV will be plugged into the Oppo main output. So the main question there is will the Oppo passthrough ARC to the AVR via audio output? 2) does the Input on the Oppo support all HDR? The Apple TV 4K will eventually be passing some DV+DA to it.
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Got my 203 in the mail yesterday and hooked it up last night. I watched some DV+DA/DTS:X content last night (parts of Gladiator and Spider-Man Homecoming) and I’m absolutely blown away. I’ve seen and heard DV+DA from the TV (LG B7A) Netflix app and via ARC, but it looks noticeably better on disc and from the 203! I had an idea last night and wanted to ask the experts here if it would work.

Could I go from my AVR (Marantz SR-6011) output to the Oppo 203 input and then the have the Main Oppo output go to the TV and the Audio Only Oppo output go to an AVR input (to get 203s audio to AVR)? I’d effectively be running all sources (Xfinity cable box, ATV4K, Nintendo Switch, Xbox One S) first through the AVR for audio processing, then through the Oppo for visual processing.

Concerns are 1) I use ARC from the TV for my PS4 which is directly plugged into another TV input. I get audio to the receiver from the PS4 via ARC to the receiver which has only 1 ARC input (same as main output). In the new setup that HDMI into the TV will be plugged into the Oppo main output. So the main question there is will the Oppo passthrough ARC to the AVR via audio output? 2) does the Input on the Oppo support all HDR? The Apple TV 4K will eventually be passing some DV+DA to it.
You cannot have circular loops in an HDMI configuration, it just hates that. AVR -> player -> AVR: no good. (Actually, I remember someone got it to work under certain circumstances years ago, but usually it is not done).

The HDMI Input accepts HDR10 but not Dolby Vision.

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You cannot have circular loops in an HDMI configuration, it just hates that. AVR -> player -> AVR: no good. (Actually, I remember someone got it to work under certain circumstances years ago, but usually it is not done).



The HDMI Input accepts HDR10 but not Dolby Vision.



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Thanks for the reply and info. Based on your last sentence I won’t even try. It’s an all or nothing scenario. I’ll probably just forego use of the HDMI input then and use the 203 for all DVD/Blu-ray/4K playback. I may eventually run the Xfinity box through it, but not a huge priority.

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On Cinavia detection: I've run a test with the current beta using an SMB file and Cinavia is still not detected.

This surprises me. When the 203 appeared it had very strict detection, with only the HDMI input and HDMI/ARC excepted. At some point detection dropped off.

I can't believe this will be allowed to continue, but here we are.

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do you know if cinavia is detected over usb in the current beta? im currently on an older firmware version and it does not seem that cinavia is being enforced for both mkv and folder structure titles over usb.
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do you know if cinavia is detected over usb in the current beta? im currently on an older firmware version and it does not seem that cinavia is being enforced for both mkv and folder structure titles over usb.
I would expect detection to be the same with SMB and USB, but I did not test it last night.

Testing Cinavia is a tedious process: 20 minutes minimum for each test variation.

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I've got the same equipment chain as you with the exception of the 7012 where I have a 6010. I just tried watching the 2 scenes you mention and didn't notice anything strange except for maybe a little something in the star field at the end of the opening, after the preamble text finishes and while the scene pans down to the planet. I didn't notice anything in the night sky with the broom boy.
I wanted to follow up on this. I misspoke earlier. I have a Marantz SR7010. It does not pass Dolby Vision, which was the source of much of my problems this week. However, when I ran a dual-HDMI setup and rewatched Star Wars: The Last Jedi I was able to pass DV without issue. I notice that it resolved the starfield "floating blacks" issue I saw, but I still saw what appeared to be compression artifacts in the night sky during the broom boy scene.

I need to go back and re-check on LG picture settings to make sure nothing changed, though I don't think they would as all I did was change cables, but my set has been calibrate, so I'm not sure why were seeing two different things on relatively similar equipment? Can the SR6010 pass DV? I would assume not. Are you using DV via a dual-HDMI setup?

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I wanted to follow up on this. I misspoke earlier. I have a Marantz SR7010. It does not pass Dolby Vision, which was the source of much of my problems this week. However, when I ran a dual-HDMI setup and rewatched Star Wars: The Last Jedi I was able to pass DV without issue. I notice that it resolved the starfield "floating blacks" issue I saw, but I still saw what appeared to be compression artifacts in the night sky during the broom boy scene.

I need to go back and re-check on LG picture settings to make sure nothing changed, though I don't think they would as all I did was change cables, but my set has been calibrate, so I'm not sure why were seeing two different things on relatively similar equipment? Can the SR6010 pass DV? I would assume not. Are you using DV via a dual-HDMI setup?

I appreciate your help, David!
The LG uses an entirely different set of picture settings (on each input) when you play Dolby Vision content into that input.

Since you were cabled thought the Marantz before, and it does not pass Dolby Vision, you were not using those settings in the LG.

In addition, depending on which model LG you have, and when you had it calibrated, your calibrator may not have been able to do any adjustments to the Dolby Vision settings -- other than selecting the best Picture Mode for Dolby Vision and living with the factory default settings for that Picture Mode.

And if you were not set up to display Dolby Vision before, he may very well not have done even that.
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Guys, what are your recommendations for non-oled TV around 1000$ to make use of Oppo-203 the most?

Also, are there any variants for UDP-203? The one I got neither have the CD included nor the box sports Oppo Logo on it, unlike the following picture:





However on ebay, and what i got locally:



Do i need to worry about above?

The player, however, did boot up fine with the Samsung UHD TV at this local center which deals in home theatre. Few test trailers were played using a bluray disc, and they all sounded great. I tested remote & few basic things, before I packed it up. This now awaits a compatible non-OLED TV.
These TV's are great for the money https://www.bestbuy.com/site/tcl-65-...?skuId=6204551
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Got my 203 in the mail yesterday and hooked it up last night. I watched some DV+DA/DTS:X content last night (parts of Gladiator and Spider-Man Homecoming) and I’m absolutely blown away. I’ve seen and heard DV+DA from the TV (LG B7A) Netflix app and via ARC, but it looks noticeably better on disc and from the 203! I had an idea last night and wanted to ask the experts here if it would work.

Could I go from my AVR (Marantz SR-6011) output to the Oppo 203 input and then the have the Main Oppo output go to the TV and the Audio Only Oppo output go to an AVR input (to get 203s audio to AVR)? I’d effectively be running all sources (Xfinity cable box, ATV4K, Nintendo Switch, Xbox One S) first through the AVR for audio processing, then through the Oppo for visual processing.

Concerns are 1) I use ARC from the TV for my PS4 which is directly plugged into another TV input. I get audio to the receiver from the PS4 via ARC to the receiver which has only 1 ARC input (same as main output). In the new setup that HDMI into the TV will be plugged into the Oppo main output. So the main question there is will the Oppo passthrough ARC to the AVR via audio output? 2) does the Input on the Oppo support all HDR? The Apple TV 4K will eventually be passing some DV+DA to it.
Nice to see you finally found a 203. I keep checking my link for you and still sold out.

I have a similar question on setting up my 203 with my 103d. I thought about taking my 103d video out to the 203 video in. Then audio out of 203 to my Denon 4520ci seeing it can’t do 4K. The reason for this also is to take advantage of the 203’s ability to do 21:9 mode with my Epson 5040ub. Would this work and scale my 103d correctly? I want to keep my 103d for Blu-ray playback as I still enjoy what darbee has to offer with standard Blu-Ray.
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^ Yes, you can run single cable HDMI out of the 103D into the HDMI Input of the 203, then dual HDMI out of the 203 as you described. This is a common way of testing the HDMI Input.
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