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I don't have a problem with selling my luxury item for a profit, to someone willing to pay a premium to have said luxury item....Then I'd replace it with something "comparable", and use the profit for help with my wife's patio furniture.... Lol. "Profit" isn't a dirty word, especially in these cases.....

Would someone prefer these people only sold their Oppo products (that aren't being made anymore) for "fair", less than retail prices?
Not me. No one needs an Oppo player, at least to stay alive. If they're silly enough to pay jacked-up prices, more power to the seller.

I probably should sell mine. I use it exclusively as a shiny disk player. I wouldn't have it at all, except I wanted support for DV. At the time I bought it, there were no other DV players available.
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Oppo does not support Dolby MAT which is what the ATV4K is using for Atmos. Some older AVRs do not support it either.
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MAT is not a codec, but a container. It is a way to move content through HDMI. HDMI does not like variable bitrates. TrueHD is VBR, so to pass it over HDMI the MAT encoder adds packing data to create a constant bitrate higher than the peaks of the VBR. If a product supports TrueHD over HDMI, it supports MAT.
As Roger said, MAT is just a container and all Blu-ray players that will pass TrueHD over HDMI will have the MAT encoder.
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Oppo does not support Dolby MAT which is what the ATV4K is using for Atmos. Some older AVRs do not support it either.

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MAT is not a codec, but a container. It is a way to move content through HDMI. HDMI does not like variable bitrates. TrueHD is VBR, so to pass it over HDMI the MAT encoder adds packing data to create a constant bitrate higher than the peaks of the VBR. If a product supports TrueHD over HDMI, it supports MAT.


As Roger said, MAT is just a container and all Blu-ray players that will pass TrueHD over HDMI will have the MAT encoder.
Sorry, I should have said that the Oppo HDMI input does not support the Dolby MAT encoding of Atmos in PCM audio as sent by the Apple TV 4K.

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Sorry, I should have said that the Oppo HDMI input does not support the Dolby MAT encoding of Atmos in PCM audio as sent by the Apple TV 4K.

This raises a more general question regarding whether any HDMI signal into the Oppo HDMI inputcan be passed through through to the processor, and if so, with Bitstream, PCM?
If yes, then MAT should/could be passed to the processor, correct?
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This raises a more general question regarding whether any HDMI signal into the Oppo HDMI inputcan be passed through through to the processor, and if so, with Bitstream, PCM?
If yes, then MAT should/could be passed to the processor, correct?
Bitstream TrueHD Atmos does pass through the Oppo HDMI input. PCM Atmos does not. You will have to ask Oppo why not.

I haven't tried sending DD+ Atmos to the Oppo HDMI input.

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I'm curious why people are running their Roku's and appletv and shields etc through their oppo - is it for up-scaling?
Mainly because it allows one to split audio out, handy if your AVR can not handle HDR10. The 203 isn't that useful for splitting AppleTV4 audio out since it cannot pass through Dolby Vision.
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Bitstream TrueHD Atmos does pass through the Oppo HDMI input. PCM Atmos does not. You will have to ask Oppo why not.
There's no such thing as PCM Atmos

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There's no such thing as PCM Atmos
Take that up with Apple.
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There's no such thing as PCM Atmos
There is a distinction between Atmos as delivered as a bitstream over HDMI and Atmos created or modified in a video game or other interactive device (e.g. Apple TV 4k). In the bitstream case the audio is carried as TrueHD or DD+, whereas from the other devices it is carried over HDMI as PCM + metadata (inside the MAT container in all cases).

Seems fair to call it PCM Atmos in that context.
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https://www.dolby.com/uploadedFiles/...plications.pdf

With the introduction of Dolby Atmos, we have expanded the Dolby MAT technology to support encoding and decoding of Dolby Atmos
metadata incorporated in lossless pulse-code modulation (PCM) audio.


OK... PCM / Atmos or PCM + Atmos if you prefer.
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As Roger said, MAT is just a container and all Blu-ray players that will pass TrueHD over HDMI will have the MAT encoder.
What you need to know is that there are 2 versions of MAT. When Atmos was introduced MAT v2 was invented, and that has support to stream PCM base layers with ATMOS Objects as metadata. THIS is not supported by the OPPO In or some older receivers. Even some ATMOS capable receivers could not do it, but I believe most have had firmware updates to address this.
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Hi guys,

I has come to my attention that the Oppo upd-203 can be used as an video processor when connecting other devices.

Right now my setup is like this. Mediaplayer > AVR Processor > Projector.

But if if I do this Mediaplayer > Oppo > Avr processor > projector then the oppe can be used to do HDR to SDR keeping the BT2020 on 4K mkv files?

My media player right now is a Zapitti 4K HDR Mini.


Can you guys confirm that this i correct or do I have it all wrong :-)
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I'm torn between waiting for new Panasonic 9000 model and buying OPPO 203 right now.

I want a silent player to play my collection of CDs, DVDs, BDs and UHD-BDs, which supports Dolby Vision with my Sony X930E TV.
I have an extra streaming machine so I don't need streaming on the player.

OPPO advantages:
- universal player(SACD and DVD-A support)
- nice backlit remote
- playing UHD rips with Dolby Vision
- quality firmware support

OPPO disadvantages:
- audio playback interruptions when Sony TVs in standby (HDMI handshake problem)
- tone mapping not on par with new Panasonic
- no HDR10+ support (yet)

Am I correct with the OPPO disadvantages? What would you recommend for me?

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Hi guys,

I has come to my attention that the Oppo upd-203 can be used as an video processor when connecting other devices.

Right now my setup is like this. Mediaplayer > AVR Processor > Projector.

But if if I do this Mediaplayer > Oppo > Avr processor > projector then the oppe can be used to do HDR to SDR keeping the BT2020 on 4K mkv files?

My media player right now is a Zapitti 4K HDR Mini.


Can you guys confirm that this i correct or do I have it all wrong :-)
This is correct. I have Roku Ultra (HDR 4K) --> Oppo ---> Avr ---> Projector.
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Hi guys,

I has come to my attention that the Oppo upd-203 can be used as an video processor when connecting other devices.

Right now my setup is like this. Mediaplayer > AVR Processor > Projector.

But if if I do this Mediaplayer > Oppo > Avr processor > projector then the oppe can be used to do HDR to SDR keeping the BT2020 on 4K mkv files?

My media player right now is a Zapitti 4K HDR Mini.


Can you guys confirm that this i correct or do I have it all wrong :-)
This is correct. I have Roku Ultra (HDR 4K) --> Oppo ---> Avr ---> Projector.
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I'm torn between waiting for new Panasonic 9000 model and buying OPPO 203 right now.

I want a silent player to play my collection of CDs, DVDs, BDs and UHD-BDs, which supports Dolby Vision with my Sony X930E TV.
I have an extra streaming machine so I don't need streaming on the player.

OPPO advantages:
- universal player(SACD and DVD-A support)
- nice backlit remote
- playing UHD rips with Dolby Vision
- quality firmware support

OPPO disadvantages:
- audio playback interruptions when Sony TVs in standby (HDMI handshake problem)
- tone mapping not on par with new Panasonic
- no HDR10+ support (yet)

Am I correct with the OPPO disadvantages? What would you recommend for me?
Another Advantage -- Processor / Scaler for Media Player using HDMI In.
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Thanks for answer @rrebello

Is it also correct that this is the only player who can do this?

By the way. Is the Oppo good with the tone mapping? When use the media player connection?

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With the new ATV4 firmware upgrade with Dolby Atmos I no longer can get sound by way of ATV4>Oppo>Marantz av 8805> Sony z9d.

It converts to stereo in some movies and no sound with Atmos shows on Netflix.

Going straight thru Marantz av 8805 no problem with anything. Sounds great.

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With the new ATV4 firmware upgrade with Dolby Atmos I no longer can get sound by way of ATV4>Oppo>Marantz av 8805> Sony z9d.



It converts to stereo in some movies and no sound with Atmos shows on Netflix.



Going straight thru Marantz av 8805 no problem with anything. Sounds great.


The Apple TV uses a PCM + MAT format for atmos output instead of the traditional bitatream. Maybe the oppo is not compatible with this method and doesn’t know how to handle the information being fed. Why wouldn’t you go straight to the AVR though and get Dolby Vision as well from the Apple TV instead of through the oppo and be limited to HDr10? Does your AVR not support it?

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The Apple TV uses a PCM + MAT format for atmos output instead of the traditional bitatream. Maybe the oppo is not compatible with this method and doesn’t know how to handle the information being fed. Why wouldn’t you go straight to the AVR though and get Dolby Vision as well from the Apple TV instead of through the oppo and be limited to HDr10? Does your AVR not support it?

I was using the Oppo video processor, from hdmi in. Marantz AV 8805 supports pretty much everything.

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With the new ATV4 firmware upgrade with Dolby Atmos I no longer can get sound by way of ATV4>Oppo>Marantz av 8805> Sony z9d.

It converts to stereo in some movies and no sound with Atmos shows on Netflix.

Going straight thru Marantz av 8805 no problem with anything. Sounds great.

If you want ATV4K Atmos, you can't connect it to the Oppo HDMI input; there would be no sound when playing Atmos titles. You would have to turn off Atmos in the ATV4K.


With the Oppo HDMI input not supporting Apple's PCM+ATMOS or Dolby Vision and the BT2020 tone mapping issue not resolved, there is not much reason to connect the ATV to the Oppo.

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If you want ATV4K Atmos, you can't connect it to the Oppo HDMI input; there would be no sound when playing Atmos titles. You would have to turn off Atmos in the ATV4K.


With the Oppo HDMI input not supporting Apple's PCM+ATMOS or Dolby Vision and the BT2020 tone mapping issue not resolved, there is not much reason to connect the ATV to the Oppo.


Hence why I am sometimes angry in my responses. ATV4k through OPPO was my original setup. Have since gone direct to AVR to JVC since optimal sound AND video is currently not available.

For what it’s worth I did install custom curve and set my peak nits. I did the best A and B comparison I could and have no reason to use OPPO anymore. The colour issue is one thing but try and watch anything on Netflix in 4K and any sky or clouds will pulse. Surprised this pulsing on white or light has not been mentioned much.


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Does some one know some info about some comming firmware on OPPO ?
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If you want ATV4K Atmos, you can't connect it to the Oppo HDMI input; there would be no sound when playing Atmos titles. You would have to turn off Atmos in the ATV4K.


With the Oppo HDMI input not supporting Apple's PCM+ATMOS or Dolby Vision and the BT2020 tone mapping issue not resolved, there is not much reason to connect the ATV to the Oppo.

While I wholeheartedly concur, this would eliminate many of the annoying posts.
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With the introduction of Dolby Atmos, we have expanded the Dolby MAT technology to support encoding and decoding of Dolby Atmos metadata incorporated in lossless pulse-code modulation (PCM) audio.

OK... PCM / Atmos or PCM + Atmos if you prefer.
Thanks for the information.

So... When Dolby are unable to make their own funky audio formats function across/between all devices, they fall-back to the grand-daddy of them all - PCM. What a joke!
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Originally Posted by jazzrock View Post
It’s a riddle that no one has deciphered.
Not precisely true. To answer the OP - SOMEONE knows SOME info.
Whether it is more broadly known is a different question.
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