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Currently have output resolution set to custom. What difference does setting this to custom rather than auto, I can’t see what other setting custom determines?


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Currently have output resolution set to custom. What difference does setting this to custom rather than auto, I can’t see what other setting custom determines?


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The results may be the same, depending on what you have for Custom Resolution, and how the display responds to Auto. You can use the Extended Info popup to compare; scroll down to the HDMI Output section.

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UHD BDs are supposed to be 4:2:0 natively. I believe that includes SDR, HDR10, and DV (12 bit).

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Dolby vision is 12 but 4:2:2 isn’t it?
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Beats me.

I see that 12 bit 4:2:2 would be supported by HDMI 2 at both 24 and 60 fps. (The latter would be about the same as 4:4:4, 8 bit, 60 fps.)
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The method Dolby Vision (DV) uses to transport the signal over HDMI is referred to as “RGB Tunneling”. The 12-bit ICtCp DV signal + Metadata is encapsulated inside the regular RGB 8-bit video signal. The DV “tunneling” carries 12-bit YCbCr 4:2:2 data in an RGB 4:4:4 8-bit transport. This is possible because both signal formats have the same 8.9 Gbps data rate requirements.
https://www.dolby.com/us/en/technolo...hite-paper.pdf

DV requires dynamic luminance data which cannot be explicitly carried in an HDMI 2.0 (18 Gbps max) data stream, so it is designed to transport over HDMI 1.4 (8.9 Gbps max); at least up to [email protected] DV base content and DV luminance (meta) data is encapsulated in an HDMI 1.4 compatible (except HDCP 2.2) RGB 4:4:4 8-bit video stream. That's why Dolby claims that DV can be sent via HDMI v 1.4, but in reality, HDMI v2.0 is needed due to the HDCP v2.2 encryption.

The DV metadata is encoded into the least significant bits of the chroma channels. Upon the HDMI EDID exchange (handshake), the sink (AVR, Display, or HDMI switch) signals the source that it supports Dolby Vision "tunneling". The source then signals the sink that it's transmitting Dolby Vision through an AVI Infoframe, which therefore triggers the Dolby Vision mode in the sink. The display DV engine extracts the components and produces a tone mapped image.

As a result, video pass-through components must be DV 'aware' to not alter the signal, which is in effect 'hidden' inside the 8 bit RGB 'container'.

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According to my reading Dolby vision from PC games can be done over hdmi 1.4 because there is no hdcp there.
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How you guys show that OSD on the left top corner with the output settings showing bitdepth, Hz, resolution, etc?
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How you guys show that OSD on the left top corner with the output settings showing bitdepth, Hz, resolution, etc?
Hold down the i key on the Oppo remote then release and scroll
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Anyone using their Oppo 203 in a AV rack? The official rack mount is double the price in the UK to the US and I was wondering whether it is OK just to have it on a well ventilated shelf rather than with the official kit.
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I have mine on a rack shelf. I prefer having HDMI devices on shelves, as it provides a place to support (provide strain relief for) HDMI cables.


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Any way to add an NFS mount as a favorite?
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Anyone using their Oppo 203 in a AV rack? The official rack mount is double the price in the UK to the US and I was wondering whether it is OK just to have it on a well ventilated shelf rather than with the official kit.
Yes, that's definitely OK.


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I have mine on a rack shelf. I prefer having HDMI devices on shelves, as it provides a place to support (provide strain relief for) HDMI cables.
I prefer to use lacing bars mounted to the rear of the rack for that, bu anything that allows for appropriate ventilation should be fine.



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Unfortunately no. When I first started testing the player, that was one of the first things I asked for, but it has never been added.
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Unfortunately no. When I first started testing the player, that was one of the first things I asked for, but it has never been added.
Any mechanism to get an NFS server to show up quicker and more reliably?
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Oppo 203 conversion of DV to HDR-10

Hello, I don't think I've seen much about this in this thread (I've been on it since the 203 was released), and I didn't immediately see anything doing a thread search. I have an LG55EF9500 OLED which supports HDR-10 but not DV. Discs in HDR-10 look great on my set, which was "calibrated" by me using HDR test patterns. (I'm not trying to compare to a real calibration, but I don't generally like using the TV defaults or presets). My receiver is a Denon 4200, which supports HDR passthrough, but not DV passthrough (yet, although an update is supposedly coming).

However, when I put in a DV disc, the DV to HDR-10 conversion looks terrible (very obvious heavy red cast, oversaturated) with the same settings. If I set the Oppo so for DV discs, it outputs SDR, then the picture is way too dark. I can use one of the TV presets (like "Cinema") with these discs, and that looks pretty good, though not as good as native HDR-10 material. Still, I like it better than putting in the Blu-ray instead. This problem is super obvious with the recent 4K Jack Ryan disc set.

Is this common, and should I be trying to adjust/calibrate one of my other user settings for DV-converted HDR-10, or is this another question that relates to the "tone mapping" people want for use with projectors? Is anyone else out there watching DV discs with an older HDR-only TV set?

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Oppo 203 conversion of DV to HDR-10

Hello, I don't think I've seen much about this in this thread (I've been on it since the 203 was released), and I didn't immediately see anything doing a thread search. I have an LG55EF9500 OLED which supports HDR-10 but not DV. Discs in HDR-10 look great on my set, which was "calibrated" by me using HDR test patterns. (I'm not trying to compare to a real calibration, but I don't generally like using the TV defaults or presets). My receiver is a Denon 4200, which supports HDR passthrough, but not DV passthrough (yet, although an update is supposedly coming).

However, when I put in a DV disc, the DV to HDR-10 conversion looks terrible (very obvious heavy red cast, oversaturated) with the same settings. If I set the Oppo so for DV discs, it outputs SDR, then the picture is way too dark. I can use one of the TV presets (like "Cinema") with these discs, and that looks pretty good, though not as good as native HDR-10 material. Still, I like it better than putting in the Blu-ray instead. This problem is super obvious with the recent 4K Jack Ryan disc set.

Is this common, and should I be trying to adjust/calibrate one of my other user settings for DV-converted HDR-10, or is this another question that relates to the "tone mapping" people want for use with projectors? Is anyone else out there watching DV discs with an older HDR-only TV set?
There is no "conversion" taking place in the player. DolbyVision is based on metadata that's added to the HDR10 data. Its magic sprinkles. If the display does not support DV then the magic sprinkles are stripped off. This is all required for compatibility.

If you have issues with the HDR10 signal, look at your display calibration for HDR10. There are several decent places to get calibration images for HDR10.
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Oppo 203 conversion of DV to HDR-10

Hello, I don't think I've seen much about this in this thread (I've been on it since the 203 was released), and I didn't immediately see anything doing a thread search. I have an LG55EF9500 OLED which supports HDR-10 but not DV. Discs in HDR-10 look great on my set, which was "calibrated" by me using HDR test patterns. (I'm not trying to compare to a real calibration, but I don't generally like using the TV defaults or presets). My receiver is a Denon 4200, which supports HDR passthrough, but not DV passthrough (yet, although an update is supposedly coming).

However, when I put in a DV disc, the DV to HDR-10 conversion looks terrible (very obvious heavy red cast, oversaturated) with the same settings. If I set the Oppo so for DV discs, it outputs SDR, then the picture is way too dark. I can use one of the TV presets (like "Cinema") with these discs, and that looks pretty good, though not as good as native HDR-10 material. Still, I like it better than putting in the Blu-ray instead. This problem is super obvious with the recent 4K Jack Ryan disc set.

Is this common, and should I be trying to adjust/calibrate one of my other user settings for DV-converted HDR-10, or is this another question that relates to the "tone mapping" people want for use with projectors? Is anyone else out there watching DV discs with an older HDR-only TV set?
There should not be a DV to HDR10 conversion unless you try to force it. And by that i mean force DV on everything. I have a Sony X900E which does not have DV capability. When I play discs with DV on my Oppo 203, the player uses the HDR10 data which is mandatory on all UHD discs and that's it. Check your player settings to see if you put Dolby Vision output for everything. If you put everything on Auto, you will get HDR10.
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There is no "conversion" taking place in the player. DolbyVision is based on metadata that's added to the HDR10 data. Its magic sprinkles. If the display does not support DV then the magic sprinkles are stripped off. This is all required for compatibility.

If you have issues with the HDR10 signal, look at your display calibration for HDR10. There are several decent places to get calibration images for HDR10.
That's interesting, but then that doesn't explain why HDR-10 native discs look so good.

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There should not be a DV to HDR10 conversion unless you try to force it. And by that i mean force DV on everything. I have a Sony X900E which does not have DV capability. When I play discs with DV on my Oppo 203, the player uses the HDR10 data which is mandatory on all UHD discs and that's it. Check your player settings to see if you put Dolby Vision output for everything. If you put everything on Auto, you will get HDR10.
Obviously I can't force DV to on, since I can't play DV on my TV. If I set HDR to "Forced" instead of "Auto," does that do anything different from just stripping the DV "sprinkles?"

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That's interesting, but then that doesn't explain why HDR-10 native discs look so good.
There's no accounting for choices made by authoring engineers. But the player isn't causing what you see.
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Obviously I can't force DV to on, since I can't play DV on my TV. If I set HDR to "Forced" instead of "Auto," does that do anything different from just stripping the DV "sprinkles?"
Have you checked the extended info screen on the Oppo when you play one of those DV discs? If you have not, try it. It will tell you what the player is getting from the disc and what it is sending to the TV. Might give you some insight.
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Have you checked the extended info screen on the Oppo when you play one of those DV discs? If you have not, try it. It will tell you what the player is getting from the disc and what it is sending to the TV. Might give you some insight.
Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I used that feature after I saw the horrible color. Input is DV, output is HDR. If I set the 203 to output SDR instead, then it shows that in the info screen under the output section.

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There's no accounting for choices made by authoring engineers. But the player isn't causing what you see.
So what you are saying is that whatever HDR authoring the disc has underneath the DV sprinkles could be something my LG TV doesn't really like and isn't able to display well, correct? That's why I was asking if anyone else is watching DV discs (or maybe specifically the Jack Ryan discs) on an HDR-but-no-DV television. Maybe this is an LG-only thing. As I said earlier, my adjustments for HDR look pretty good on HDR-10 discs. Planet Earth II and Blue Planet II look stunning, so I don't think my HDR "calibration" is that far off.

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Thanks for the suggestion. Yes, I used that feature after I saw the horrible color. Input is DV, output is HDR. If I set the 203 to output SDR instead, then it shows that in the info screen under the output section.
And that is super weird. I just put Atomic Blonde on my Oppo. This disc has DV but the extended info screen tells me the player is pulling HDR (input) from the disc and output is also HDR. So it might be a peculiarity of those particular discs you have. the Oppo should not be pulling the DV data from the disc if the target is not DV-capable.
These days it seems like you have to go to the UN General Assembly and get a treaty so all your HDMI devices work as they should..a simple good handshake...
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Anyone using their Oppo 203 in a AV rack? The official rack mount is double the price in the UK to the US and I was wondering whether it is OK just to have it on a well ventilated shelf rather than with the official kit.
They make rack mount steel shelves. Some designed for tilting rack face and also for vertical rack face.

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This disc has DV but the extended info screen tells me the player is pulling HDR (input) from the disc and output is also HDR. So it might be a peculiarity of those particular discs you have. the Oppo should not be pulling the DV data from the disc if the target is not DV-capable.
I'll re-examine the extended info screen. Maybe I need to read it more carefully. I know it reported DV, but I will look at the heading for each section again.
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Does anyone have issues with streaming large mkv files over the network, i saw a review on YouTube that said it struggles with large mkv files.
Loading times are slow and the video sometimes freezes, is this the case if it is played directly via the USB.
Still trying to decide between the oppo and the cambridge.
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Does anyone have issues with streaming large mkv files over the network, i saw a review on YouTube that said it struggles with large mkv files.
Loading times are slow and the video sometimes freezes, is this the case if it is played directly via the USB.
Still trying to decide between the oppo and the cambridge.
well, a gigabit network is required for big files/ big bitrates; for example, i hadn't any problems playing a 80GB MKV UHD rip from a NAS, with all-gigabit connections (well, no gigabit on TV and AVR, but doesn't matter here)
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well, a gigabit network is required for big files/ big bitrates; for example, i hadn't any problems playing a 80GB MKV UHD rip from a NAS, with all-gigabit connections (well, no gigabit on TV and AVR, but doesn't matter here)

thanks, i have just checked and my network is a gigabit network so i should be good to go. just need to decide between oppo and cambridge now
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Does anyone have issues with streaming large mkv files over the network, i saw a review on YouTube that said it struggles with large mkv files.
Loading times are slow and the video sometimes freezes, is this the case if it is played directly via the USB.
Still trying to decide between the oppo and the cambridge.
What is considered 'large'? And is the review referring to file size or bit-rate size?

Either-way, when streaming high bit-rate (BRD and UHD) files over a home network a stable 'hard-wired' ethernet set-up is vital...
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. just need to decide between oppo and cambridge now
same chipset, but some says that cambridge has a better sound, because of digital-only transport (i'd like to know, from a fellow engineer, if a DAC operation can insert noise into a separate digital stream), but oppo has a better video ( https://www.stereophile.com/content/...ambridge-cxuhd , https://www.avforums.com/review/camb...r-review.14103 ). i don't know what to say, it feels like it's about those >1000$ hdmi cables with silver ions
again, probably here already did a comparison.
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What is considered 'large'? And is the review referring to file size or bit-rate size?

Either-way, when streaming high bit-rate (BRD and UHD) files over a home network a stable 'hard-wired' ethernet set-up is vital...

I only have one file at the moment and it is 2160p.BluRay.x265.10bit.HDR.DTS-HD.MA.TrueHD.7.1.Atmos 20gb
Will the oppo play a x265 file ? or should they be X264 or H264.
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