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Hi everyone, I've got a few UHD discs now but I'm looking to buy the Asus BW16D1H and an Oppo 203 player. My understanding is that I will be able to make UHD rips with Dolby Vision using DVDfab. Will I be able to play these on the Oppo (over the network) even on rips that contain Cinavia?
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Hi everyone, I've got a few UHD discs now but I'm looking to buy the Asus BW16D1H and an Oppo 203 player. My understanding is that I will be able to make UHD rips with Dolby Vision using DVDfab. Will I be able to play these on the Oppo (over the network) even on rips that contain Cinavia?
With current OPPO firmware Cinavia is ignored except for optical disc copies (including MKV versions).

This surprises me. Earlier firmware was more strict.

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Official OPPO UDP-203 Owner's Thread

Read this before you buy the BD drive, as the “UHD Friendly” drives are not really in stock anywhere:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/1EvYk...iletype=msword


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With current OPPO firmware Cinavia is ignored except for optical disc copies (including MKV versions).

This surprises me. Earlier firmware was more strict.

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Sorry what do you mean by optical disc copies? It looks as though DVDfab creates a BDMV Folder Structure or ISO file without the Cinavia Watermark.
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Sorry what do you mean by optical disc copies?
A copy on a optical disc.

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It looks as though DVDfab creates a BDMV Folder Structure or ISO file without the Cinavia Watermark.
If Cinavia is not present then it won't be a problem.

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So if I'm running an appleTV 4K through my Opportunity 203 and then to my JVC DLA-X570R projector should I have my ATV set for UHD SDR but allow full resolution, and then my Opponent set at HDR Auto? with HDR off on the projector? I'm trying to let the Oppo manage my HDR
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So if I'm running an appleTV 4K through my Opportunity 203 and then to my JVC DLA-X570R projector should I have my ATV set for UHD SDR but allow full resolution, and then my Opponent set at HDR Auto? with HDR off on the projector? I'm trying to let the Oppo manage my HDR
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- In the ATV4K: 4K SDR with Match Dynamic Range and Match Frame Rate.
- In the Oppo: HDR OFF BT.2020 to let the Oppo tone map the HDR received from the ATV to SDR BT.2020.
- In the JVC: BT.2020 color profile and Gamma 2.4.

You will need to disable Atmos in the ATV4K if you play any content with Atmos. The Oppo does not support the Atmos format sent from the ATV4K.
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With current OPPO firmware Cinavia is ignored except for optical disc copies (including MKV versions).

This surprises me. Earlier firmware was more strict.

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That would be a nice parting gift.. I haven't see it yet and hoping it stays that way
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I would suggest

- In the ATV4K: 4K SDR with Match Dynamic Range and Match Frame Rate.
- In the Oppo: HDR OFF BT.2020 to let the Oppo tone map the HDR received from the ATV to SDR BT.2020.
- In the JVC: BT.2020 color profile and Gamma 2.4.

You will need to disable Atmos in the ATV4K if you play any content with Atmos. The Oppo does not support the Atmos format sent from the ATV4K.
Does that mean any content that has Atmos won't play through and just give me 5.1 after it's gone through the Oppo?
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Why use the HDMI Input for the Apple TV 4K - it is already 4K (and DV which the Oppo cannot pass)? I just go straight into my AVR. I thought this was only good for non-4K sources that you want to upscale?
Apps on the Apple tv are a little soft compared to the built in apps. With the oppo you can use their advanced sharpener to sharpen in back up by just bumping up the sharpness a tiny bit on the Oppo. The Oppo 203 input can accept 4k with DV or HDR10.
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I would suggest

- In the ATV4K: 4K SDR with Match Dynamic Range and Match Frame Rate.
- In the Oppo: HDR OFF BT.2020 to let the Oppo tone map the HDR received from the ATV to SDR BT.2020.
- In the JVC: BT.2020 color profile and Gamma 2.4.

You will need to disable Atmos in the ATV4K if you play any content with Atmos. The Oppo does not support the Atmos format sent from the ATV4K.
That’s good advice. Would love if someone who uses the Nvidia Shield to come up with a similar recommendation for ideal settings (color bandwidth seeting, frame rate, and HDR on/off) for both the Shield and the Oppo. It’s a bit different as the Shield does not have a match Dynamic Color Range or match Frame Rate setting. The Shield goes through the Oppo input, to a processor (MX160) with a 10.2 gbps hdmi chipset, then to a Sony 4k projector. Would like, if possible, the best seting that is widely applicable to all scenarios, without the need to adjust everything for each movie. I have experimented with the options, but curious what others are using.

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Apps on the Apple tv are a little soft compared to the built in apps. With the oppo you can use their advanced sharpener to sharpen in back up by just bumping up the sharpness a tiny bit on the Oppo. The Oppo 203 input can accept 4k with DV or HDR10.
It was my understanding that the Oppo 203 input could not pass DV just HDR 10.
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It was my understanding that the Oppo 203 input could not pass DV just HDR 10.
Your understanding is correct.
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Does that mean any content that has Atmos won't play through and just give me 5.1 after it's gone through the Oppo?
If you have Atmos turned on in the ATV4K and play Atmos content, the Oppo will not output any audio at all. In the same way it can't pass Dolby Vision, it can't pass the ATV4K flavor of Atmos.

You would need to turn off Atmos in the ATV4K so it never outputs Atmos.
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Your understanding is correct.
You are right but nevertheless I am crossing fingers it will come to us one day, tomorrow is fine Not sure whether it is technically possible with the current MediaTek SoC though.

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I would suggest

- In the ATV4K: 4K SDR with Match Dynamic Range and Match Frame Rate.
- In the Oppo: HDR OFF BT.2020 to let the Oppo tone map the HDR received from the ATV to SDR BT.2020.
- In the JVC: BT.2020 color profile and Gamma 2.4.

You will need to disable Atmos in the ATV4K if you play any content with Atmos. The Oppo does not support the Atmos format sent from the ATV4K.
So in this scenario, is the AppleTV in SDR mode until HDR movie plays and then it automatically switches to HDR? I tried something similar over the weekend where I forced HDR to Oppo and then did HDR->SDR conversion and kept having HDMI handshake issues but maybe that was because I didn't disable Atmos...?
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So in this scenario, is the AppleTV in SDR mode until HDR movie plays and then it automatically switches to HDR? I tried something similar over the weekend where I forced HDR to Oppo and then did HDR->SDR conversion and kept having HDMI handshake issues but maybe that was because I didn't disable Atmos...?
Yes, that is how it should work and it did when I had my ATV connected to my Oppo. I no longer connect it to my Oppo as Atmos is too important for me.
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Why use the HDMI Input for the Apple TV 4K - it is already 4K (and DV which the Oppo cannot pass)? I just go straight into my AVR. I thought this was only good for non-4K sources that you want to upscale?
Passes DV on this side of the pond - watch Star Wars - Last Jedi.

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Yes, that is how it should work and it did when I had my ATV connected to my Oppo. I no longer connect it to my Oppo as Atmos is too important for me.
I have to go through my Oppo because the only HDMI cable that will work for me only reaches physically to where the disc player is located ....I can't place the ATV where the Oppo is since I need to go through the Oppo to get my feed for the audio....grrrr
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I have to go through my Oppo because the only HDMI cable that will work for me only reaches physically to where the disc player is located ....I can't place the ATV where the Oppo is since I need to go through the Oppo to get my feed for the audio....grrrr


Can you go ATV direct to receiver then receiver out to OPPO then OPPO to TV? you should be able to get Atmos audio AND still get the video through OPPO.


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Paase DV on this side of the pond - watch Star Wars - Last Jedi.
Did you verify it in the AppleTV settings? FYI, the ATV4K will switch down to HDR10 if it is connected to a non Dolby Vision device.
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Hello,

About the possible future new firmware...if there'll ever be a future new firmware

1.FWD, REV buttons won't work on audio files (flac, wav, mp3)

2.Zoom is having too large increments ... would be nice if it may incrementally increase and decrease horizontally and vertically and also re-position the image up and down incrementally (in order to view the subtitles below a 16:9 image instead over it). Zoom is not working while picture is set to any other selection other than "Auto"... (there are custom UHD Auto, and Source Direct - on these zoom is not working)

3.Font size needs more increments for getting shrinker (I have a very large screen)

4.Subtitles should have a seeting for allowing direct external subtitles adding instead of implicit internal selection... which always made me select and search until the end of the list, and on the last position of the list, the external subtitle can be added. Please make THIS subtitle as first to be selected automatically and let the user choose otherwise.

5.Volume is not operating on HDMI output ... but other players don't have this problem... so, for volume I must switch the remote controls and use alwasy the TV remote for volume and the Oppo remote for playing functions.

6.Sharp, Contrast, Luminosity seems to have no effect from the button...no matter the settings of the picture (auto, custom UHD, or Source Direct)

I am not sure if the software might fix all these issues or the hardware has limits... but it would be nice
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Hello,

I think I wrongly added this post somewhere else ... I hope here is the correct place...

About the possible future new firmware...if there'll ever be a future new firmware

1.FWD, REV buttons won't work on audio files (flac, wav, mp3)

2.Zoom is having too large increments ... would be nice if it may incrementally increase and decrease horizontally and vertically and also re-position the image up and down incrementally (in order to view the subtitles below a 16:9 image instead over it). Zoom is not working while picture is set to any other selection other than "Auto"... (there are custom UHD Auto, and Source Direct - on these zoom is not working)

3.Font size needs more increments for getting shrinker (I have a very large screen)

4.Subtitles should have a seeting for allowing direct external subtitles adding instead of implicit internal selection... which always made me select and search until the end of the list, and on the last position of the list, the external subtitle can be added. Please make THIS subtitle as first to be selected automatically and let the user choose otherwise.

5.Volume is not operating on HDMI output ... but other players don't have this problem... so, for volume I must switch the remote controls and use alwasy the TV remote for volume and the Oppo remote for playing functions.

6.Sharp, Contrast, Luminosity seems to have no effect from the button...no matter the settings of the picture (auto, custom UHD, or Source Direct)

I am not sure if the software might fix all these issues or the hardware has limits... but it would be nice
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With current OPPO firmware Cinavia is ignored except for optical disc copies (including MKV versions).

This surprises me. Earlier firmware was more strict.

-Bill
That would be a nice parting gift.. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] I haven't see it yet and hoping it stays that way
So just to confirm sorry on the latest oppo firmware UHD rips not on optical disc, i.e. external usb and network will play both the HDR and Dolby vision metadata as outlined in the unofficial FAQs. Cinavia obviously being the exception.
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So just to confirm sorry on the latest oppo firmware UHD rips not on optical disc, i.e. external usb and network will play both the HDR and Dolby vision metadata as outlined in the unofficial FAQs. Cinavia obviously being the exception.

Yup. DV works great over the network with full-disc backup. Only one title is a problem: Cinavia is triggered on Fate of the Furious full-disc backup over the network (no optical disc involved).
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Check out the reviews of the first three Jack Ryan films on the UK avforums website - you'll find that they also state that the colour grading on them is 'monochromatic' - effectively your using three really bad examples to test your viewing experience.
That's a fair criticism -- these were the first DV films where I noticed the color being so off. I don't have all that many 4K discs with DV, but I do have a few others. I'll compare some of them to see where they land, though I don't remember seeing this red tint before. Thanks.

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does Oppo send bitstream from input to /avr, I am getting AVR display say Dolby Atmos, but display on Oppo says 5.2 48K, what is correct ?

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I'm going to try that...I think I've got it hooked up the way I have is because I'd just got the third HDMI cable that I'd tried (which now works but is limited due to it's length) and I wanted to rule out as much as possible in my chain from the ATV to the projector....hopefully I won't lose any signal going through my AV processor as it's rated as being supposed to pass 4K. In either setup though, I'm going through the Oppo so I guess I'll just turn off the Atmos on the ATV
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does Oppo send bitstream from input to /avr, I am getting AVR display say Dolby Atmos, but display on Oppo says 5.2 48K, what is correct ?
Both are correct, and yes, you are getting Atmos.

In this scenerio the Oppo is bitstreaming and the Oppo is displaying the characteristic of the audio track and not the “contents.”

When the audio track is processed by the AVR it detects the Atmos encoding and displays accordingly. The AVR won’t display Atmos unless it’s receiving an Atmos track.
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