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post #33721 of 38638 Old 10-25-2018, 10:47 AM
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^ I've seen the reported issue with DV media files clips, and I'm not using a Sony.
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I wondered if it might be the quality of the files themselves as I have no idea how and where they came from other than that site I linked to that I found in the LG display thread.
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The problem folks have been talking about is specific to the HDR Off(BT.2020) choice. You are not using that, so you are not affected.
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Thanks tswire & Bob for confirming.
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It only changes a byte or two. Run it once. Diff the files and the hex edit whenever you need to do this
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The problem folks have been talking about is specific to the HDR Off(BT.2020) choice. You are not using that, so you are not affected.
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Bob,

I thought the issue is present for all of the tone mapping options, not just the BT.2020 one. An earlier post said that the blacks are still being clipped below 2.5% on all of the options for any type of display (both PJ and direct view). Given that my display is an older 1080p plasma (Panasonic P65V10 - MLL corrected), I am primarily concerned that the BT.709 TM options are also problematic...?


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@Vader424242 , I'm not Bob, but I posted the video evidence of the black clipping; Bob was referring to another issue that happens when trying to preserve the BT.2020 colorspace with HDR content when the HDR Off(BT.2020), HDR to SDR conversion is selected (the BT.2020 colors will only show as far as the REC.709 colorspace allows).
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Thanks for the reply, galonzo!


I was afraid of something like that. I do believe that a FW fix is coming eventually, but exactly when is the question. With my luck, I will have upgraded to a 4k set by then (I'm shooting for next summer)...
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@Vader424242 , I'm not Bob, but I posted the video evidence of the black clipping; Bob was referring to another issue that happens when trying to preserve the BT.2020 colorspace with HDR content when the HDR Off(BT.2020), HDR to SDR conversion is selected (the BT.2020 colors will only show as far as the REC.709 colorspace allows).
So-Just how bad is the HDR to SDR conversion picture with this issue?

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^^^^^^^ @StevenC56 , it depends on who you ask; to some, the difference is indiscernible (unless you know what you're looking for), and to others ( @claw ), the difference is quite obvious

I'm not in a position to comment, as I currently don't own a projector and am able to use HDR without any conversion needed.

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So-Just how bad is the HDR to SDR conversion picture with this issue?


For me I have a Sony 550es projector. I use the rec 709 setting as I find it has overall more pop than either sdr 2020 or HDR to the projector. That means for me I prefer the tone mapping to 706 that the oppo does to the tone mapping that is built in to the Sony projector. No projector really is able to display enough brightness for proper HDR so it has to be mapped somewhere.


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Hi All, I posted this in the 205 owners thread but I fear it was shadowed by a later post.

I recently bought a Sony 900f 85" coming from a Vizio p series. My issue is that the oppo is sending Dolby Vision to the Sony regardless of Media format and or settings.

I have tried resetting the oppo, and because someone will ask I have the oppo connected to a marantz 8802a and then yo the Sony 900f. All units have latest firmware.

Is this a known bug and is there a fix?

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Hi All, I posted this in the 205 owners thread but I fear it was shadowed by a later post.

I recently bought a Sony 900f 85" coming from a Vizio p series. My issue is that the oppo is sending Dolby Vision to the Sony regardless of Media format and or settings.

I have tried resetting the oppo, and because someone will ask I have the oppo connected to a marantz 8802a and then yo the Sony 900f. All units have latest firmware.

Is this a known bug and is there a fix?

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Is DV on the OPPO set to Auto or On? You should be using Auto.
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Is DV on the OPPO set to Auto or On? You should be using Auto.
DV is set to auto, I tried to toggle the setting from auto to on and back again but it did not work. This is what prompted me to do the factory reset although it was the one that didn't erase acounts. I will try again tonight to do a full factory reset in case that will help. I will also take the Pre pro out of the equation to see if that makes a difference. Thanks for the suggestion though, keep em coming. If I have time I will email oppo support.

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Question for people running a 3D MVS M2TS files. I can play the file fine and I can fast forward fine, but when I stop fast forwarding the movie becomes unresponsive. I can stop the movie and restart it at that point and it picks up from where I stopped fast forwarding. Just curious if everyone experiences this, I have tried over network and via USB 3.0 with around 60MB/s transfer rate, the USB fairs a little better.
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One last question (until I have another...). On the HDR settings menu, is it safe to assume that the default setting of 300 nits is ideal for direct view (remember, my display is a Panny 1080p plasma), and only really is applicable to projectors?

I realize it would be simpler to just use the included BD until I get a full 4k display, but I am looking primarily at titles where a newer transfer is only on UHD, and the included BD is the older, flawed transfer (ie. Predator, The Dark Knight). Also, there are those titles that have better audio (Atmos, DTS-X) only on the UHD...

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One last question (until I have another...). On the HDR settings menu, is it safe to assume that the default setting of 300 nits is ideal for direct view (remember, my display is a Panny 1080p plasma), and only really is applicable to projectors?

I realize it would be simpler to just use the included BD until I get a full 4k display, but I am looking primarily at titles where a newer transfer is only on UHD, and the included BD is the older, flawed transfer (ie. Predator, The Dark Knight). Also, there are those titles that have better audio (Atmos, DTS-X) only on the UHD...
I use a plasma with my 203, and I use the 100 nit setting. I also use the Mode 4 Tone Mapping. Looks great to me!

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For me I have a Sony 550es projector. I use the rec 709 setting as I find it has overall more pop than either sdr 2020 or HDR to the projector. That means for me I prefer the tone mapping to 706 that the oppo does to the tone mapping that is built in to the Sony projector. No projector really is able to display enough brightness for proper HDR so it has to be mapped somewhere.


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Honestly, I've read most of this thread over the last few weeks ... but between the messages from months ago that reference "pre-update FW" and German curves, and the expert settings in the PJ menu (not the right thread, I realize), .... I'm still a bit lost.

What are the settings that force tone mapping to take place in the Oppo and not in the projector when either streaming (Apple TV 4k) or UHD disks that have HDR? I've got the Oppo (203) driving a Sony PJ (VPL-VW385es).

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Bob, I followed your recommendation for video settings at 4:2:2 and get some serious banding. If I leave on auto the player defaults to 4:4:4 12 bit and looks great. What is the reasoning for your settings recommendation?


Are you running at 1080p or 2160p?

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Oppo 203 cannot connect to Shield TV SMB server

I got my Oppo 203 last week and have been trying to connect it to my Shield TV's external USB 3.0 hard drive via Network. The problem is I can find "Shield" with a SMB signed computer icon in Oppo's Network menu. However, when I entered Shield TV's share folder credentials, it said they were incorrect.

FYI, Shield TV's shared folders option is ON and I am using the Shield TV's given credentials to access the external hard drive without problem from my MacBook Pro.

I remember somewhere in this forum said Oppo 203 is still using some basic network protocol which is outdated. Is it the cause of my problem?

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Question for people running a 3D MVS M2TS files. I can play the file fine and I can fast forward fine, but when I stop fast forwarding the movie becomes unresponsive. I can stop the movie and restart it at that point and it picks up from where I stopped fast forwarding. Just curious if everyone experiences this, I have tried over network and via USB 3.0 with around 60MB/s transfer rate, the USB fairs a little better.
Seems to be normal behaviour, I have lots of 3D m2ts movies (I guess you mean MVC?) on my NAS and they all behave as you describe.
Had been the same on the BDP-103 already.
I can live with it, also since you can use the cursor-left/-right buttons to skip a certain amount of time (might take a little while though).

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Question for people running a 3D MVS M2TS files.
I find FF is more reliable if I stick to a couple of clicks....the faster it goes, the slower to come back to Play. Same applies with RW, but it seems to fail more often. I rarely need this feature, and just accept it too. My preferred way is to use Goto function.

The above is much the same on 93 and 103 so I don’t expect it to change.
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Question for people running a 3D MVS M2TS files. I can play the file fine and I can fast forward fine, but when I stop fast forwarding the movie becomes unresponsive. I can stop the movie and restart it at that point and it picks up from where I stopped fast forwarding. Just curious if everyone experiences this, I have tried over network and via USB 3.0 with around 60MB/s transfer rate, the USB fairs a little better.
Same experience, try hitting pause first after ff or rew... then play. This consistently works with that method
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Seems to be normal behaviour, I have lots of 3D m2ts movies (I guess you mean MVC?) on my NAS and they all behave as you describe.
Had been the same on the BDP-103 already.
I can live with it, also since you can use the cursor-left/-right buttons to skip a certain amount of time (might take a little while though).
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I find FF is more reliable if I stick to a couple of clicks....the faster it goes, the slower to come back to Play. Same applies with RW, but it seems to fail more often. I rarely need this feature, and just accept it too. My preferred way is to use Goto function.

The above is much the same on 93 and 103 so I don’t expect it to change.
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Same experience, try hitting pause first after ff or rew... then play. This consistently works with that method
Awesome, thanks for the replies, I will stop tinkering with it now that I know its normal haha.
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It only changes a byte or two. Run it once. Diff the files and the hex edit whenever you need to do this
I did that. The change isn't just a simple bit flip. It may not be much more than a simple bit flip but I have not determined what it is yet. Moved to a better thread.
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If your TV handles 4:2:2 input poorly then you should definitely not use that. TVs have their quirks, and it's no use trying to fight them.

I've posted the logic on 4:2:2 multiple times in this thread. I prefer to minimize the change in format sent to the TV when playing different types of content. The HDMI specs prohibit 12-bit for 4K/60 4:4:4. If you try, you'll get 8-bit instead. But if you set 4:2:2 output you can get 12-bit for both 4K/24 and 4K/60 video going to the TV.
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I've always been curious as to how you know that even if you set it to 4:4:4 or Auto it gets converted eventually to 4:2:2 seeing the Oppo always tells me that is outputting at 4:4:4 12 bit?


I can't seem to find out what the Sony A1 TV is displaying the picture as unless it's HDR or Dolby Vision and even then the Sony doesn't say how many bits it is so I presume it's just what the Oppo tells me it is.


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I've always been curious as to how you know that even if you set it to 4:4:4 or Auto it gets converted eventually to 4:2:2 seeing the Oppo always tells me that is outputting at 4:4:4 12 bit?


I can't seem to find out what the Sony A1 TV is displaying the picture as unless it's HDR or Dolby Vision and even then the Sony doesn't say how many bits it is so I presume it's just what the Oppo tells me it is.


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The Oppo extended info shows what is being Output. If it says 4:4:4: 12 bit, that’s what it is doing. Bob mentions the rare occasion of 4K/60Hz (eg Billy Lynn) when if you play that disc with it fixed to 4:4:4 it will output as 8bit.. Have you tried it ?

So Bob prefers to ALWAYS know what will be Output, so he sticks with 4:2:2 12bit which is allowed for ALL content.

The 203 FAQ has more background info to describe Chroma subsampling here

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It might help you get your head round it.
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Cambridge UHD blu-ray player is promising the following..


I wonder if the Oppo which it is based upon will also get these updates, like 1 & 4?


https://www.avsforum.com/forum/465-h...l#post57021114


1. HDR10+ support
2. Supports Sony TV Dolby Vision
3. Bug fixes
4. HDMI IN supports Dolby Vision
5. Add 3 Aspect Ratio modes "21:9 Movable, 21:9 Fixed and 21:9 Cropped"


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Got a prompt response from Oppo customer service on my Tone Mapping firmware update request :-

We are investigating tone mapping issues related to converting BT.2020 to REC.709, but we do not have any additional firmware at the moment that will enhance the current performance of this conversion.

Well, it looks like it's currently being worked on so I'll need to wait a while longer.
I'm glad you god a respond but her tone doesn't tell us much.. investigatigating to me sounds more like looking over the issue.. If she had replied we are working on it then we know they are working on it..

Maybe u can reply back and ask her if they are actually working on it or looking over it from above..

I'm with some of the guys here.. As soon as another brand comes out with an hdmi in I'm moving on and I love my oppo..

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I did go back to Oppo and pressed them for more definite info on whether the Tone Mapping can be fixed and their response is in post 33689.
From the reply it looks like they have put a lot of resource into this - unsuccessfully, and is unlikely to be resolved, that's my reading of their response.
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I did go back to Oppo and pressed them for more definite info on whether the Tone Mapping can be fixed and their response is in post 33689.
From the reply it looks like they have put a lot of resource into this - unsuccessfully, and is unlikely to be resolved, that's my reading of their response.
I got this reply from OPPO:
Hi, Riddle. Yes, we are exploring the feasibility of adding HDR10+ to the UDP series with the next firmware update. It is still too early to tell if it is 100% possible.
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