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I have a Oppo 203 I purchased about a year ago for my theater room. It have been using it for Blu-Ray movies only until last night. I purchased a new CD and when trying to play it I get a no disc in bottom left of screen and unknown disc in top right, and it does not play. I tried two other CD's and the same thing. I don't know if there is a problem or if I am not doing something right. Anyone have any ideas?
There are two lasers: one for CD/DVD and another Blu-ray/UHD.

Try a DVD. If it does not work and CDs don't work then I suspect a problem with that laser.

Contact OPPO support. They may recommend a cleaning procedure or ask that you return it for warranty service.

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(1) Test one of the files with a direct connection on a USB device. Just want to make sure the player is happy with the files themselves.

(2) Are you using a wireless connection? As a diagnostic, try a wired connection and see if there is a difference.

(3) Are you using DLNA or SMB from your server? Try the other.

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Well my tests came back a little confusing (big surprise). I do not have a lot of knowledge on file structures or server architecture so I apologize in advance. I figured it would be a much simpler test to switch from a DLNA to SMB type file sharing but I just do not know enough about how to do that exactly.

However, I was able to run some tests with some success.

I have all my media files segregated in the following folders.
UHD Movies
HD Movies
TV Shows
Music
Pictures

All these folders are associated with my PLEX server. When testing with the built in Windows 10 server, I simply redirected those folders to the preset folders that the Windows 10 server uses as outlined HERE

I did some research about file sharing prior to my tests and did the following prior to running those tests.

1. Turned on media streaming from within my Network Options as outlined HERE
2. Turned on SMB file sharing options as outlined HERE

So either of these may have helped me over the hump.

Anyway, here is what I got....

Using the PLEX server library and associated folders these were my results:

1. Using the media control (Oppo) App, I was able to cast everything to the Oppo except for UHD and HD movies. They would buffer for about 5sec and error out.
2. Using a Windows 10 PC I was able to cast all files to the Oppo without issue.
3. Browsing to the files via the Oppo itself (Oppo remote control) I was able to cast everything to the Oppo except for UHD and HD movies. They would buffer for about 5sec and error out.

Using the Built in Windows 10 DLNA server library and associated folders these were my results:

1. Using the media control (Oppo) App, I was able to cast all files to the Oppo without issue.
2. Using a Windows 10 PC I was able to cast all files to the Oppo without issue.
3. Browsing to the files via the Oppo itself (oppo remote control) I was able to cast all files to the Oppo without issue.

Test conclusion:
- Using the media control app as well as directly from the Oppo remote itself, I am unable to play any movies from the PLEX server library.
- Using the built in DLNA Windows 10 server allowed me to play everything without issue.


Sorry for the long post and if anyone would care to link me to a resource that better explains the differences between DLNA and SMB sharing that would be great!
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I tried ripping "The Walk 3D", "The Adventures of Tintin 3D" and "Django Unchained" to my NAS and during playback after a few minutes audio was muted.
I am on current firmware.
So it still detects Cinavia and (sadly) does what it's supposed to do...

Are these UHD movies or just standard Blu-ray?


Is Cinavia detected on standard blu-ray backups or just on UHD's?
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Was watching the last episode of the Bravo show, "Below Deck". Near the end of it, the captain was about to show a vid to the crew on a big screen tv on board. I saw something on the screen so familiar that it at first, didn't register. Then I look again and see the Oppo screen saver logo, bouncing around the tv. But of course, Quality ship, quality blue-ray player.
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I have the U.S. version, but I’m on the latest firmware and I’ve had no problems playing UHD folders off of a USB hard drive. Menus and everything have worked for me just like if I were playing off of UHD discs.
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Can someone explain how a bluray player can be so expensive?

I'm used to playing everything from my PC. I have lots of storage so I usually buy a movie, rip it to my HD, store my disc so it doesn't get damaged and play all movies from a Windows based PC.

What am I missing with a player that retails for $1700?
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Can someone explain how a bluray player can be so expensive?

I'm used to playing everything from my PC. I have lots of storage so I usually buy a movie, rip it to my HD, store my disc so it doesn't get damaged and play all movies from a Windows based PC.

What am I missing with a player that retails for $1700?
When it was being sold by the manufacturer, it was in the 550 region IIRC.

Now that they have exited, people are offloading their players for whatever they think the market can bear. And in this case, someone thinks it can bear $1700...

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When it was being sold by the manufacturer, it was in the 550 region IIRC.

Now that they have exited, people are offloading their players for whatever they think the market can bear. And in this case, someone thinks it can bear $1700...

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That's right on the money (pun intended).


OTOH, Oppo's original MSRP for the audiophile UDP-205 which, just like its brother UDP-203, is designed just to "spin discs," was $1,300. And I don't think Oppo had any problem selling out those units.


You don't even want to know what new UDP-205's are going for now (hint: double to triple the MSRP).
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OTOH, Oppo's original MSRP for the audiophile UDP-205 which, just like its brother UDP-203, is designed just to "spin discs," was $1,300. And I don't think Oppo had any problem selling out those units.
So I'm good using a computer running windows and a cheap(ish) BluRay player to "spin discs", right? Cause I can probably build a pretty decent computer with a bunch of storage for $1700.
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Anyone with ATV4k tried using the OPPO to upscale from 1080p to 4K instead of the ATV? was curious to see if the upscale difference was enough for me to hold on to the OPPO seeing that the tone mapping fix is likely dead.

Currently I have 4K SDR as the video for ATV4k then have range match on. So essentially that is taking EVERYTHING I watch from HD (1080p) like Netflix shows to 4K. Then it will keep SDR. If something was 4K then no upscaling is done on ATV but the match range will switch to HDR if that show is HDR or DV. thoughts about using OPPO to do the upscaling? Will it work on HDMI IN?


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@tswire , the HDMI input on the 203 currently doesn't support DV, or the type of Atmos the ATV uses, FYI

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@tswire , the HDMI input on the 203 currently doesn't support DV, or the type of Atmos the ATV uses, FYI


Yes I know that. But ATV has HDR10 out even when it says DV on the title description. I also have it going to my receiver first to play atmos then to OPPO then to projector.


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So I'm good using a computer running windows and a cheap(ish) BluRay player to "spin discs", right? Cause I can probably build a pretty decent computer with a bunch of storage for $1700.
Probably. The OPPO is better in that it does all of that and does not require me to train the rest of the family EVERY FREAKING DAY on how to use the home theater.

Only slightly jk'ing. And, don't say Harmony, have one already.
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Yes I know that. But ATV has HDR10 out even when it says DV on the title description. I also have it going to my receiver first to play atmos then to OPPO then to projector.
Which is fine, except the ATV4k still doesn't correctly convert DV to HDR correctly (as discussed in the ATV thread).

For example, if you watch Netflix in HDR-10 from another device and compare (through the 203's HDMI input, of course), you'll see that the DV to HDR conversion from the ATV for the same content is obviously amiss (or, if you haven't done so and believe what you're getting from the ATV is fine, maybe don't do this; you know, ignorance is bliss and all that jazz )

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I tried ripping "The Walk 3D", "The Adventures of Tintin 3D" and "Django Unchained" to my NAS and during playback after a few minutes audio was muted.
I am on current firmware.
So it still detects Cinavia and (sadly) does what it's supposed to do...
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Are these UHD movies or just standard Blu-ray?


Is Cinavia detected on standard blu-ray backups or just on UHD's?
I just tested an MKV file I keep around, its UHD with Cinavia. As it always has, the 203 ignores the Cinavia.
As it always has, the 203 will trigger Cinavia in full disc (BDMV folder) rips or anything on an optical disc.
Doesn't make any difference if its BD or UHD, detection is the same.
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Oppo 203 Owner - Switch?

Currently have a 203 setup with my JVC X970R projector and have an Atmos speaker setup (Marantz SR7010 AVR + 9.2.2 Paradigm speakers). I use it mainly for local streaming of mkv files from my NAS.

I'm using the the custom gamma curves in the projector for HDR.

Am I better off going with the Panasonic UB900?

Also, I recently purchased an Apple TV 4K because I wanted to pair it with the Oppo 203 to get some of the Netflix & Amazon Prime streaming options. Would the Panasonic UB900 provide this all in one box + advantages for HDR?

Finally, in my setup, what would be the advantages of going with the new UB9000 over the Oppo 203 or even the UB900?
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I would get the panasonic for tone mapping much better because it works.. I only hold on to my oppo because it has a 3D enhancer and zoom option that I love to use with my 3d.. I looked to buy the panasonic the other day but it doesnt have these options so I kept the oppo..lol I have to pick my battles..
Agreed. That's why, even with my owning an Oppo-203, I added the Panny UB820 to the inventory. Its HDR Optimizer isn't effective in every single case but when it works it tends to even out many HDR10s on my LG C7 OLED. For playing video files from a hard drive or my PC via DLNA, it's the Oppo all the way. Nothing matches its abilities in this arena.
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Probably. The OPPO is better in that it does all of that and does not require me to train the rest of the family EVERY FREAKING DAY on how to use the home theater.

Only slightly jk'ing. And, don't say Harmony, have one already.

Sounds like it's time to upgrade your technology with a SmartFamily.

Oh, and Harmony. My 73 year old mother can control my entire theater.

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Which is fine, except the ATV4k still doesn't correctly convert DV to HDR correctly (as discussed in the ATV thread).



For example, if you watch Netflix in HDR-10 from another device and compare (through the 203's HDMI input, of course), you'll see that the DV to HDR conversion from the ATV for the same content is obviously amiss (or, if you haven't done so and believe what you're getting from the ATV is fine, maybe don't do this; you know, ignorance is bliss and all that jazz )


Wow. Maybe I will pretend I never saw this post!! Lmao.

Ok so regardless of the OPPO you are saying ATV to my receiver to my projector (non DV) will still be crap? Basically ATV is not converting DV to HDR10 that well?


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Wow. Maybe I will pretend I never saw this post!! Lmao.

Ok so regardless of the OPPO you are saying ATV to my receiver to my projector (non DV) will still be crap? Basically ATV is not converting DV to HDR10 that well?
That is correct, however, the thing that is amiss is that any tone mapping might be thrown off (due to the incorrect metadata that results from the conversion), so it may or may not be very noticeable (depending on your setup), and maybe only noticeable in a side-by-side.

I only noticed something was amiss because I almost exclusively watch stuff in true HDR-10 (not into sports), and so when I was watching some Netflix HDR shows via the ATV, I could tell something was amiss; which is why I now watch Netflix and Amazon Prime HDR shows via a Roku that passes through the 203.

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Agreed. That's why, even with my owning an Oppo-203, I added the Panny UB820 to the inventory. Its HDR Optimizer isn't effective in every single case but when it works it tends to even out many HDR10s on my LG C7 OLED. For playing video files from a hard drive or my PC via DLNA, it's the Oppo all the way. Nothing matches its abilities in this arena.
For me to be honest this oppo thing is truly an amazing machine it has everything you need and more.. I wish the tone mapping had been fixed. The hdmi in is a home-run all the way.. The day another player comes out with this feature and correct tone mapping then I would do the switch..

Oh and another reason why I held off on the Panasonic is because it does't have zoom control or 3D enhancement which I use a lot.. Had the panasonic had zoom and 3D enhanment then I would had given up on the oppo..
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Oh, and Harmony. My 73 year old mother can control my entire theater.

This guy who printed out a Harmony cheat sheet featuring such guidance as: To listen to music, press "Listen to music", and to watch a movie, press "Watch a movie", I am openly envious. And yes, the cheat sheet is used frequently, and when it's misplaced, panic ensues.
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For me to be honest this oppo thing is truly an amazing machine it has everything you need and more.. I wish the tone mapping had been fixed. The hdmi in is a home-run all the way.. The day another player comes out with this feature and correct tone mapping then I would do the switch..

Oh and another reason why I held off on the Panasonic is because it does't have zoom control or 3D enhancement which I use a lot.. Had the panasonic had zoom and 3D enhanment then I would had given up on the oppo..
Tell me how the zoom control works...is this for films like Dunkirk that switch aspect ratios? How does this feature assist with that?
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Ok so regardless of the OPPO you are saying ATV to my receiver to my projector (non DV) will still be crap? Basically ATV is not converting DV to HDR10 that well?
TL;DR how it turns out is depends on your system.

My C7 used mastering metadata so the content (the movie CLL/FALL) metadata is ignored. Apple used fixed mastering metadata so you don't have to buy an outboard device to do the same. I watch various things and have no issues Apple's mastering data or with non-static content metadata.

At least one Sony projector is reported to do an HDMI handshake whenever the HDR10 metadata changes. This is inconvenient but can be fixed with an HDFury Vertex, friend of PJ owners everywhere.
It can be argued that Apple shouldn't do this but until 2017/2018 the vast overwhelming majority of display makers responded to the preponderance of bad HDR10 metadata by ignoring it and doing scene analysis based tone mapping in the display. Strictly speaking they have to be able to manage in the face of missing data because 0 is valid for both CLL and FALL. It means the data is unknown.
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TL;DR how it turns out is depends on your system.

My C7 used mastering metadata so the content (the movie CLL/FALL) metadata is ignored. Apple used fixed mastering metadata so you don't have to buy an outboard device to do the same. I watch various things and have no issues Apple's mastering data or with non-static content metadata.

At least one Sony projector is reported to do an HDMI handshake whenever the HDR10 metadata changes. This is inconvenient but can be fixed with an HDFury Vertex, friend of PJ owners everywhere.
It can be argued that Apple shouldn't do this but until 2017/2018 the vast overwhelming majority of display makers responded to the preponderance of bad HDR10 metadata by ignoring it and doing scene analysis based tone mapping in the display. Strictly speaking they have to be able to manage in the face of missing data because 0 is valid for both CLL and FALL. It means the data is unknown.


Ya I have x770 JVC and REALLY wanted the tone mapping fix from OPPO. In light of this maybe not happening I was trying to figure out if it will still be useful as a media input video processor. I do currently use somewhat custom curve and HDR looks good. So maybe given I am using static TM the ATV output of HDR is working ok for me (it does look pretty damn good). Based and what you said above I think the metadata “quirk” is not affecting me. Now, if OPPO does end up fixing the tone mapping which is highly reliant on the metadata maybe that won’t work well for me??


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My 203 just sold and shipped, so expect tone mapping update to follow shortly.

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Now, if OPPO does end up fixing the tone mapping which is highly reliant on the metadata maybe that won’t work well for me??
If the OPPO solution does depend on metadata rather than analysis then yes. Lumagen also reveals the problem when used to perform some level of curve selection based on metadata that is assumed to be static.
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Was watching the last episode of the Bravo show, "Below Deck". Near the end of it, the captain was about to show a vid to the crew on a big screen tv on board. I saw something on the screen so familiar that it at first, didn't register. Then I look again and see the Oppo screen saver logo, bouncing around the tv. But of course, Quality ship, quality blue-ray player.
I noticed the same thing watching the other night. I pointed it out to the wife.
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So does anybody know if Oppo will be releasing a firmware to support the new IMAX Enhanced (HDR10+) format? I have read rumors that one was incoming, but haven't heard anything about it for awhile. Thanks!

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