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this looks interesting, what is it? My statement is still true

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"Waiter! There's an HDR10+ in my soup!"

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As did glangford, I also sent OPPO an email over the weekend (about the release documentation), and got exactly the same answer. I would have thought that "agreements" wouldn't have played any part in this process(?). Isn't the whole pitch about HDR10+ that it is an Open Source solution, and hence, "free, and openly available to anyone", or did I misunderstand its nature? (Not trying to be argumentative, but am truly just curious what I missed.)
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As did glangford, I also sent OPPO an email over the weekend (about the release documentation), and got exactly the same answer. I would have thought that "agreements" wouldn't have played any part in this process(?). Isn't the whole pitch about HDR10+ that it is an Open Source solution, and hence, "free, and openly available to anyone", or did I misunderstand its nature? (Not trying to be argumentative, but am truly just curious what I missed.)
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Your statement is, at best, misleading and is only confusing more people.

It has been stated a bunch of times at this point that the official release contains the same HDR10+ functionality that was in the public beta. Oppo can't list it as official supported yet, probably because it needs to go through certification.

Given how few HDR10+ titles are currently available and how so few brands of TV support it, I really don't get why people are making such a big deal over it at the moment anyway.
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Does gapless playback work for multichannel DSF files extracted from a Super Audio CD?
Negatory. You will need to extract the SACD into a single track to keep track transitions "gapless". You can still use Go To to jump into the middle of the resulting, single file.
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Negatory. You will need to extract the SACD into a single track to keep track transitions "gapless". You can still use Go To to jump into the middle of the resulting, single file.
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Good to know, but now I'm intrigued about the single track option. Can ISO2DSD do this? I've ripped all my discs to ISOs (years ago, using a PS3), and would have no issue "extracting" each ISO to a single track. Just not sure how.


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Your statement is, at best, misleading and is only confusing more people.
My statement is true and you know it. HDR10+ is officially not supported as of today. It is really not difficult to understand

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in a nutshell, what do we gain from 103 to 203? Besides 4K Blu-ray that is


because I'm only using it for audio only purpose and I have my own DAC


I want to go w/ Oppo because I don't know any other brand that allows SACD priority to be set to read CD layer only.

Every SACD/DVD player I’ve had does this. Pioneer Elite, Sony (cheapo and ES) and Cambridge Audio to name a few.

With the 203 as an audio transport you’re not gaining anything, in fact, you lose HDCD decoding. I just bought a CA 752BD for this purpose actually, but an Oppo 83/93/103 would have done.
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Given how few HDR10+ titles are currently available and how so few brands of TV support it, I really don't get why people are making such a big deal over it at the moment anyway.
Exactly. Unless you have a 2018/2019 Samsung, Panasonic, or Philips TV with HDR10+ support, you will only get the HDR10 base layer from HDR10+ discs.
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I need some help getting BDMV folders to play correctly, specifically with Dolby Vision. I have the BDMV and Certificate folders as created by MakeMKV. When I navigate to them on my computer, I see index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv files. When I navigate to that BDMV folder through the Oppo, I see an MPG file of the movie in the folder instead and I don't see the .bdmv files. When I play the MPG file it just immediately starts the movie (similar to the MKV file). I thought that BDMV folders brought up the disc menus and acted as though the disc was being played. The MPG files play the movie perfectly fine in 4K with Dolby Atmos and all that, but the only problem is I can't get Dolby Vision to show up, just HDR10. I know the movie has Dolby Vision and I had read that the only way to get the Oppo 203 to read Dolby Vision was by doing the disc backup with the BDMV folder. I have also tried running the BDMV Modifier 2.0 program on the folder and tried doing the AVCHD folder thing. What am I missing?

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Oppo unfortunately does not state anywhere this player can decode HDR10+
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Glad you pointed that out. There's still a process we are waiting for before we can list HDR10+ in the firmware. The feature is in the latest official firmware and was not removed from the beta firmware.
With the above information I'll amend my previous statement and say that a new manual revision would be welcome once the licensing process is complete and Oppo can list HDR10+ as a feature.
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Thumbs down Boo to taking out HDCD playback!

Just read the FAQ (haven't unboxed my 203, except to do a firmware update when I got it in June) because my theater isn't rebuilt yet.

Why did they take out HDCD decoding? And no, my Yamaha RX-A3070 won't decode it for me.

It's a good thing I found software to rip HDCD CDs to 24 bit (20 bit padded) PCM.

Don't they know that all of Joni Mitchell's CDs are HDCDs, not to mention Dave Grisman's (at least New River, his duet album with Denny Zeitlin)?

While HDCD was never widely ballyhooed, it did allow more dynamic range on CDs for those artists who were more interested in the quality of the sound than the loudness wars.
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Just read the FAQ (haven't unboxed my 203, except to do a firmware update when I got it in June) because my theater isn't rebuilt yet.

Why did they take out HDCD decoding? It's a good thing I found software to rip HDCD CDs to 24 bit (20 bit padded) PCM.

Don't they know that all of Joni Mitchell's CDs are HDCDs, not to mention Dave Grisman's?

While HDCD was never widely ballyhooed, it did allow more dynamic range on CDs for those artists who were more interested in the quality of the sound than the loudness wars.

What software is out there for Windows PC's to rip HDCD as something more than just 16 bit PCM?

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What software is out there for Windows PC's to rip HDCD as something more than just 16 bit PCM?
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Phil's Primer on Networking HDCD disks with their full dynamic range

My Oppo BDP-93 can effortlessly expand an HDCD to its full 20-bit dynamic range if I stick the shiny silver disk in the tray, but ignores that it is HDCD-encoded if it comes in over my LAN via DLNA. Here's how I've gotten full dynamic range with networked HDCD material with any player or AVR that can play music over DLNA:

1. Go to https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/attac...dcd-zip.99044/ and sign in or register. This will let you download HDCD.zip, which contains the software you’ll need. It’s been free since 2009.

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4. Click on Convert.cmd and it will open a DOS command window, where you can watch HDCD create decoded versions of all the files for you. HDCD reports what features of HDCD are used by each track while it's processing them. The decoded versions will have the string “24bit” added to the filenames, so you can tell the two versions apart. (Why 24 bit if it's really 20? 24 bit is a more commonly used container - so it's padded out with zeros for the extra bits.)

5. Convert the 24bit WAV files back to FLAC with Foobar so you can add album art and other track tags to them with the free MP3tag.

6. I recommend putting a tag like “Decoded HDCD” at the end of the album title in the track tags, so that you can tell the two versions apart over the network.

7. Copy the decoded and tagged HDCD FLAC files into their own folder in your library tree for music.
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I think I read in the past they didn't really have choice. The mediatek chip doesn't support it. Neither do the other UHD chipsets on the market.
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dbpoweramp will rip HDCD and retain the 20 bit depth of the HDCD. I started reripping everything via dbpoweramp, but it didn't recognize so many CDs, and I wasn't going to type in all the tracks, that I gave up and just went back to iTunes and ALAC. I didn't have that many HDCDs to worry about anyway.
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Good to know, but now I'm intrigued about the single track option. Can ISO2DSD do this? I've ripped all my discs to ISOs (years ago, using a PS3), and would have no issue "extracting" each ISO to a single track. Just not sure how.
I have backed-up many of my SACD's using Sonore's ISO2DSD. I have saved them as a continuous .dff stream along with a .cue (cue sheet) file.

The OPPO plays them fine and track navigation works well...
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one last quick question: does either the 103 or 203 play DTS-CD? and is it trute that hte 103 takes a long time to start up? if so, how long?
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I have backed-up many of my SACD's using Sonore's ISO2DSD. I have saved them as a continuous .dff stream along with a .cue (cue sheet) file.

The OPPO plays them fine and track navigation works well...
Yeah, I was able to find the ISO2DSD settings on another forum. Putting them here for other's benefit:

Output Mode: DSDIFF Edit Master, select "Cue Sheet" and "Convert DST to DSD".

You will get a single file in .dff and one .cue file. Keep them together in the same folder when playing. It works.


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and is it trute that hte 103 takes a long time to start up? if so, how long?
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I need some help getting BDMV folders to play correctly, specifically with Dolby Vision. I have the BDMV and Certificate folders as created by MakeMKV. When I navigate to them on my computer, I see index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv files. When I navigate to that BDMV folder through the Oppo, I see an MPG file of the movie in the folder instead and I don't see the .bdmv files. When I play the MPG file it just immediately starts the movie (similar to the MKV file). I thought that BDMV folders brought up the disc menus and acted as though the disc was being played. The MPG files play the movie perfectly fine in 4K with Dolby Atmos and all that, but the only problem is I can't get Dolby Vision to show up, just HDR10. I know the movie has Dolby Vision and I had read that the only way to get the Oppo 203 to read Dolby Vision was by doing the disc backup with the BDMV folder. I have also tried running the BDMV Modifier 2.0 program on the folder and tried doing the AVCHD folder thing. What am I missing?
Have you successfully made a BDMV back up of non-DV material and got that to play?

Did you place the whole structure within a folder AVCHD? Yes, you don't need to run modifier program for the UHD - but I suspect you still need to place it inside the AVCHD (capitals) folder for the Oppo to recognise it.

Best of luck....
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Dolby Vision Conversion or Dynamic Contrast on LG OLEDs

I am wondering whether the conversion of HDR 10 content to DV using the 203 will provide a better picture than setting Dynamic Contrast to low on 2017 OLEDs (this function was renamed in the 2018 and 2019 sets but I cannot recall what it is now called). Both approaches should add dynamic metadata but I am wondering if one process is better than the other.
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I need some help getting BDMV folders to play correctly, specifically with Dolby Vision. I have the BDMV and Certificate folders as created by MakeMKV. When I navigate to them on my computer, I see index.bdmv and MovieObject.bdmv files. When I navigate to that BDMV folder through the Oppo, I see an MPG file of the movie in the folder instead and I don't see the .bdmv files. When I play the MPG file it just immediately starts the movie (similar to the MKV file). I thought that BDMV folders brought up the disc menus and acted as though the disc was being played. The MPG files play the movie perfectly fine in 4K with Dolby Atmos and all that, but the only problem is I can't get Dolby Vision to show up, just HDR10. I know the movie has Dolby Vision and I had read that the only way to get the Oppo 203 to read Dolby Vision was by doing the disc backup with the BDMV folder. I have also tried running the BDMV Modifier 2.0 program on the folder and tried doing the AVCHD folder thing. What am I missing?
The folders created by MakeMKV need to be put into a folder named AVCHD, BDMV Modifier needs to be run on the BDMV folder (it doesn't have to have been inside the AVCHD folder when run), and you have to play the movie over SMB/NFS shares or from a locally attached USB storage device. Once you navigate to the AVCHD folder and press Enter on the Oppo remote, the movie should start up with full menus, just as if you put the original disc in. If it doesn't and it navigates to list the BDMV and Certificate folders, then you're doing something incorrectly. Your folder structure should be something like this:


\\ServerName\Movies\Batman\AVCHD


My guess is that the issue you're having is that you're accessing the content via a DLNA share instead of a NFS or SMB share. What does the icon look like when you select your server? If it's hard to describe, post a photo of the screen.
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dbpoweramp will rip HDCD and retain the 20 bit depth of the HDCD. I started reripping everything via dbpoweramp, but it didn't recognize so many CDs, and I wasn't going to type in all the tracks, that I gave up and just went back to iTunes and ALAC. I didn't have that many HDCDs to worry about anyway.
If you rip with Foobar2000, it downloads track tags. If it didn't, try the free MP3Tag - it can download track tags - and even album cover thumbnails - and for disks it can't find track info for, it streamlines the process of typing in info by letting you highlight which tracks that you want a particular tag updated, so you can put the album title, artist, and cover art in for all tracks in one operation per tag, and only have to type in individual track titles.

MP3Tag can also rename the files based on the track titles and even prefix them with the track number so they play in the right order (and zero pad the track numbers for the same reason - file systems don't treat numerals as values but letters, hence the default play order of 1, 10, 11, ... 19, 2, 20, 21 - which zero padding cures: 01, 02, ...09, 10 etc).

By the way, if you convert your SACD rips to FLAC with the Foobar2000 plugin for that, there's nothing stopping you from doing this with those rips to add album art. They'll probably have extensive text tags on them already (mine did) but album art is the icing on the cake.The Foobar plugin for turning SACD rips from ISOtoDSD into FLAC can even be told to attenuate the .1 track by the standard 10db, since the player won't know it's from an SACD and will boost it like with any other 5.1 FLAC. (This feature was added by the programmer at my request, within 24 hours of my writing to him about it!)

By the way, does ISOtoDSD still work with the 203? I sold my 103 to finance its purchase.
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