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The DV is indeed hinky....
What's your OPPO to display device connection chain (and what's your display device)? Are you using 'Premium Certified' HDMI leads between all the devices?
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What's your OPPO to display connection chain? Are you using 'Premium Certified' HDMI leads between all the devices?
OPPO is connected directly to the E6 and yes it's premium certified. Never had this issue before the last firmware update.
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Never had this issue before the last firmware update.
Same for me. NEVER had this problem until applying the last firmware update.
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Same for me. NEVER had this problem until applying the last firmware update.
Folks, Dolby slipped new code into the Oppo update. Dolby broke it. We can hope that eventually it will get sorted but in the mean time all that's required is the proper DV setting for your display. This only effects the 1st gen LG displays AFAIK.
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Meaning there's a possibility you'll see different information for the same media file!
Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't think I made it clear. Last week, the OPPO played these files correctly. This week they are scrambled.

I found the movie roulette amusing but it is annoying when you're in the mood for a specific title that you can't get to.
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Folks, Dolby slipped new code into the Oppo update. Dolby broke it. We can hope that eventually it will get sorted but in the mean time all that's required is the proper DV setting for your display. This only effects the 1st gen LG displays AFAIK.
So you are saying that if i switch DV setting to "tv led" ( i have B6 ) then this will never happen again? I'll certainly try that. Curious though, why Oppo support didnt tell me that, they just said "we've never heard of this issue before... "!

i've already proven ( did it again last night ) that switching to tv led after the problem has occurred, does NOT fix it.
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Folks, Dolby slipped new code into the Oppo update. Dolby broke it. We can hope that eventually it will get sorted but in the mean time all that's required is the proper DV setting for your display. This only effects the 1st gen LG displays AFAIK.

Come to think of it I think I had my Oppo set to auto and my screen turned pink so I switched to Tv- Led and it went away. I watched Despicable Me 3 yesterday and had no issues DV worked. I just tuned Despicicable Me 3 back on again and DV came up, I then stopped it and put in John Wick 1 and HDR10 showed up and then I put Despicible Me 3 back in and DV came up. I have a E6 and Oppo 203 going through a marantz 8805, I had no problems and I have the latest firmware in. I am not having problems, if I read correctly I should be having issues because I have an LG E6? do not get me wrong I am glad I am not having problems because things are work correct.

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Dolby's new code defaults to player led on everything even displays that can do both and displays that cannot do it at all. This is to fix compatibility with brands who do not support tv led. Oppo sent me a beta fw that fixes auto. So it has already been fixed and will probably be in the next official update.

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Come to think of it I think I had my Oppo set to auto and my screen turned pink so I switched to Tv- Led and it went away. I watched Despicable Me 3 yesterday and had no issues DV worked. I just tuned Despicicable Me 3 back on again and DV came up, I then stopped it and put in John Wick 1 and HDR10 showed up and then I put Despicible Me 3 back in and DV came up. I have a E6 and Oppo 203 going through a marantz 8805, I had no problems and I have the latest firmware in. I am not having problems, if I read correctly I should be having issues because I have an LG E6? do not get me wrong I am glad I am not having problems because things are work correct.
Your E6 is incapable of doing player led so when the auto setting accidentally chose player led you had issues, setting it to display led is a solution that will work
You should not have any issues by manually setting it to the display led setting your E6 supports.
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Your E6 is incapable of doing player led so when the auto setting accidentally chose player led you had issues, setting it to display led is a solution that will work
You should not have any issues by manually setting it to the display led setting your E6 supports.
I did not set my Oppo to player -led I set it to tv-led. Player -led is for a Sony not a LG.
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I did not set my Oppo to player -led I set it to tv-led. Player -led is for a Sony not a LG.
You guys are saying the same thing. You had it set to Auto but the device used the equivalent of the Player-led setting which is a know bug in this FW.
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You guys are saying the same thing. You had it set to Auto but the device used the equivalent of the Player-led setting which is a know bug in this FW.
yep, I know, Dave-T just isn't picking up what I'm putting down
The latest Oppo firmware when set on Auto on some sets like the E6 would mistakenly send the player-led signal giving the pink screen described, manually setting the OPPO to display-led would resolve it, easy peasy.
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The 'Dolby Vision Processing' option on my OPPO is still set on 'Auto' and I have a 6 meter (19.7 feet) 'Premium Certified' HDMI lead connected to my [2016] LG 65UH770V television... All fine here
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It would seem that we should all be setting our players to TV-led if they support it since a lot of the advanced features in DV are tossed when using player-led.

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DV LL is what Xbox One uses to send DV. It is also the only format that Sony TVs support today. It was designed for game consoles so that the display does as little as possible processing wise for the lowest latency. In this case, the source device does the tone mapping by using info in the EDID from the display.

MEL is minimal enhancement layer. Means the video info is only in the base layer (10-bit 4:2:0) and the MEL only has metadata. FEL is full enhancement layer where the FEL layer has the extra picture information bringing the final output to 12-bit. Most DV content today is MEL. There is also the option where the FEL can be 4000 nits while the base layer is only 1000 nits. In our case, the base and FEL are both the max nit value.
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Dolby is not telling anyone not to use FEL. I worked with Dolby directly and they had no issue with me including FEL or MEL. MEL was first since the launch SDK did not include FEL support. That came in a later SDK.

If you are using an OPPO player, be sure to set it to TV-led mode. Don't use Auto or player-led. Auto currently uses player-led. My DV montage will show why. I really hope they can address the player-led issue. It impacts anyone with a Sony display. Sony really needs to support proper DV and not DV LL, which was never intended for movies.
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yep, I know, Dave-T just isn't picking up what I'm putting down
The latest Oppo firmware when set on Auto on some sets like the E6 would mistakenly send the player-led signal giving the pink screen described, manually setting the OPPO to display-led would resolve it, easy peasy.
Ok that makes sense because I know player-led is for Sony and completely those off the color. Correct auto worked for the longest time and then all of a sudden I had to switch to tv-led which straightened me out. Hopefully oppo fixes it.
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So you are saying that if i switch DV setting to "tv led" ( i have B6 ) then this will never happen again? I'll certainly try that. Curious though, why Oppo support didnt tell me that, they just said "we've never heard of this issue before... "!

i've already proven ( did it again last night ) that switching to tv led after the problem has occurred, does NOT fix it.
tv led setting did not work for me. i did a factory reset, reboot, set DV to tv led, then changed all my other settings to where i wanted them, popped in a DV disc and it did not trigger the tv into DV mode ( the pink awfulness ).

to fix, i factory reset, reboot, autoplay kicked in and played the DV disc just fine.
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It would seem that we should all be setting our players to TV-led if they support it since a lot of the advanced features in DV are tossed when using player-led. FEL = TV-led; MEL = player-led
A lot of those linked statements don't make any sense. Apple TV uses the LL version and that works fine for movies.

For DV the metadata is encoded in a 2nd 1080p SDR stream (1/4 resolution). Single layer is used for streaming apps, where the DV metadata is in the 4K stream, so no 2nd stream.

That first one is the backwards compatible stream that's left out of the player led profile. The other difference is profile 5 uses Dolby Vison's colorspace (ITP) over YCBR.

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Tv-led did not fix the issue for me. I’m not seeing any pink screen, but what happens is if I open the disc tray to put in regular blu-ray disc while the player is off, sometimes the blu-ray will come up as DV. Seems like it can’t handle booting up with a disc in the tray.

If I turn the player completely on first, then pop on the disc, auto or tv-led works fine.
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The latest Oppo firmware when set on Auto on some sets like the E6 would mistakenly send the player-led signal giving the pink screen described, manually setting the OPPO to display-led would resolve it, easy peasy.
Display-led does not solve the problem for me, so not so easy peasy ya heasme?
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Display-led does not solve the problem for me, so not so easy peasy ya heasme?
Not a surprise that there are other issues out there and yours was resolved by a reset, but the fact is that pink screen on an LG x6 series is usually Auto mistakenly sending player-led which you can reproduce by forcing to player-led and that was what Dave-T and many other people experienced.
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It would seem that we should all be setting our players to TV-led if they support it since a lot of the advanced features in DV are tossed when using player-led. FEL = TV-led; MEL = player-led
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A lot of those linked statements don't make any sense. Apple TV uses the LL version and that works fine for movies.

For DV the metadata is encoded in a 2nd 1080p SDR stream (1/4 resolution). Single layer is used for streaming apps, where the DV metadata is in the 4K stream, so no 2nd stream.

That first one is the backwards compatible stream that's left out of the player led profile. The other difference is profile 5 uses Dolby Vison's colorspace (ITP) over YCBR.
Patsfan: The links to Stacey's posts do not work.

Madmax: Perhaps when @sspears stated:
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Sony really needs to support proper DV and not DV LL, which was never intended for movies.
He was saying that LLDV was designed with gaming consoles in mind, not Blu-ray players?

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Patsfan: The links to Stacey's posts do not work.

Madmax: Perhaps when @sspears stated: He was saying that LLDV was designed with gaming consoles in mind, not Blu-ray players?

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We will be reviewing the check disc this weekend. If all goes well, we should have discs in a few weeks. When it is available, you will be able to easily see the difference between DV, DVLL HDR10/HDR10+. The difference with our content is more obvious due to how bright and large the color volume of the content is. Once you see the difference, you will be able to see it in other sources, such as Netflix.

Hopefully it is just a bug in DV LL.

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It would seem that we should all be setting our players to TV-led if they support it since a lot of the advanced features in DV are tossed when using player-led. FEL = TV-led; MEL = player-led
This is incorrect.

TV vs. player-led has nothing to do with FEL and MEL.

TV-led is full DV while player-led is DV Low Latency mode.

FEL is full enhancement layer with additional picture information (e.g. 12-bit vs. 10-bit)
MEL is minimal enhancement layer. The HDR10 image with metadata on top of it.
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We will be reviewing the check disc this weekend. If all goes well, we should have discs in a few weeks. When it is available, you will be able to easily see the difference between DV, DVLL HDR10/HDR10+. The difference with our content is more obvious due to how bright and large the color volume of the content is. Once you see the difference, you will be able to see it in other sources, such as Netflix.
Spoiler!
Where can we see that it's available? I'm planning on getting it.
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This is incorrect.

TV vs. player-led has nothing to do with FEL and MEL.

TV-led is full DV while player-led is DV Low Latency mode.

FEL is full enhancement layer with additional picture information (e.g. 12-bit vs. 10-bit)
MEL is minimal enhancement layer. The HDR10 image with metadata on top of it.
Got it. Amended my post to remove the misinformation.

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We will be reviewing the check disc this weekend. If all goes well, we should have discs in a few weeks. When it is available, you will be able to easily see the difference between DV, DVLL HDR10/HDR10+. The difference with our content is more obvious due to how bright and large the color volume of the content is. Once you see the difference, you will be able to see it in other sources, such as Netflix.

Hopefully it is just a bug in DV LL.

If you are happy with what you are watching today, then I would advice against looking at the HDR montage. You have been warned!

Here is the montage menu with all of the flavors of the HDR montage:
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I appreciate your post. If I could indulge you for a minute, would you please advise if my assimilation of this information is correct? I want to add it to my notes.

The base layer contains only the HDR10 video signal information at 10-bit YcBcR 4:2:0 and 1000 Nits maximum luminance. The enhancement layer carries the Dolby Vision information to allow source devices or displays to reconstruct the signal. In this linked post, Stacey Spears (sspears on AVS Forum) described Dolby Vision’s various enhancement layer versions.

Minimal Enhancement Layer (MEL)
The MEL contains only the basic Dolby Vision metadata, and when combined with the base layer, provides a 10-bit YcBcR 4:2:0 (1000 Nit maximum luminance) video signal. The MEL was first to debut in the initial SDK.

Full Enhancement Layer (FEL)
FEL contains both the basic Dolby Vision metadata, as well as extra information, and when combined with the base layer provides a 12-bit RGB (4000 Nit maximum luminance) video signal. FEL was not supported in the initial SDK but is now supported.
Most Dolby Vision content today uses MEL, not FEL, even though the SDK now supports both MEL and FEL. Perhaps this is a result of the initial SDK only supporting MEL.
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I appreciate your post. If I could indulge you for a minute, would you please advise if my assimilation of this information is correct? I want to add it to my notes.

The base layer contains only the HDR10 video signal information at 10-bit YcBcR 4:2:0 and 1000 Nits maximum luminance. The enhancement layer carries the Dolby Vision information to allow source devices or displays to reconstruct the signal. In this linked post, Stacey Spears (sspears on AVS Forum) described Dolby Vision’s various enhancement layer versions.

Minimal Enhancement Layer (MEL)
The MEL contains only the basic Dolby Vision metadata, and when combined with the base layer, provides a 10-bit YcBcR 4:2:0 (1000 Nit maximum luminance) video signal. The MEL was first to debut in the initial SDK.

Full Enhancement Layer (FEL)
FEL contains both the basic Dolby Vision metadata, as well as extra information, and when combined with the base layer provides a 12-bit RGB (4000 Nit maximum luminance) video signal. FEL was not supported in the initial SDK but is now supported.
Most Dolby Vision content today uses MEL, not FEL, even though the SDK now supports both MEL and FEL. Perhaps this is a result of the initial SDK only supporting MEL.
Most of that seems correct. Some notes:

1. The base layer can be 1000 or it can be the same as the enhancement layer. When FEL first came out, they had used 1000 for all base layers, but that is no longer the case. They can make it the same as the EL, which is what we did. Its really up to the studio.

2. 4000 is not a max limit. The Pulsar is 4000, so its common that 4000 is used, but ours goes to 11. (I mean 10,000). In our 4000 nit versions, we hard clip at 4000 to visually show you what went above by hard clipping.

3. I believe some studios are using MEL and others are using FEL. We included both because we had 100 GBs to use up. 14 GB for the test patterns and ~73 GB for the montage videos.

4. When FEL is combined with the base layer, it is 12-bit 4:2:0. I don't recall if the DM outputs 4:2:2 or if that is done elsewhere in the player. The current players should also be outputting a tunneled image. (8-bit RGB, which is the same as 12-bit 4:2:2)
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Where can we see that it's available? I'm planning on getting it.
As soon as the discs are on the way to us, we will announce it. People get tired of being told its coming soon. We announced at CES that we expected it in March. This was before we ran into an issue with Dolby Vision, which delayed the disc for eight weeks. Then we had to re-encode everything to make it work on Samsung players. Their players have a bug that prevents single frame clips from playing. We used that time to improve some patterns.

Now we need to write some type of documentation. There currently is none! We also pulled the blue filter. Until we can find material we are happy with, we won't ship a filter. We have found some new blue material that is promising. We are hoping to get a bunch of RGB filter gels soon to test.
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Here's a crazy thing.

We were using the OPPO to play movies over NFS. But the file names did not match the movie! Instead of Pride & Prejudice we got Frost the Snowman (now there's a shock! ;-0 ). We ended up laughing hysterically while playing movie roulette/name that film.

Over and over again. I think my OPPO may have lost its mine.
I had this happen a while ago - I can't remember what I did to fix it but I'm pretty sure it was a filename that was too long or had a character in it that it shouldn't have which caused it to skip a movie in the list.
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Here's a crazy thing.

We were using the OPPO to play movies over NFS. But the file names did not match the movie! Instead of Pride & Prejudice we got Frost the Snowman (now there's a shock! ;-0 ). We ended up laughing hysterically while playing movie roulette/name that film.

Over and over again. I think my OPPO may have lost its mine.
Can you run this particular file through an application called MediaInfo (set to text mode) and post what it reports 'in full'?
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