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Most of that seems correct. Some notes:



1. The base layer can be 1000 or it can be the same as the enhancement layer. When FEL first came out, they had used 1000 for all base layers, but that is no longer the case. They can make it the same as the EL, which is what we did. Its really up to the studio.



2. 4000 is not a max limit. The Pulsar is 4000, so its common that 4000 is used, but ours goes to 11. (I mean 10,000). In our 4000 nit versions, we hard clip at 4000 to visually show you what went above by hard clipping.



3. I believe some studios are using MEL and others are using FEL. We included both because we had 100 GBs to use up. 14 GB for the test patterns and ~73 GB for the montage videos.



4. When FEL is combined with the base layer, it is 12-bit 4:2:0. I don't recall if the DM outputs 4:2:2 or if that is done elsewhere in the player. The current players should also be outputting a tunneled image. (8-bit RGB, which is the same as 12-bit 4:2:2)


Thank you.



So, if I have this correct, the takeaway is that:



Minimal Enhancement Layer (MEL) is a 10-bit YcBcR 4:2:0 video signal.



Full Enhancement Layer (FEL) is a 12-bit YcBcR 4:2:0 video signal which is then upconverted in the source or display? to an 8-bit RGB (12-bit YCbCr 4:2:2 data in an RGB 4:4:4 8-bit transport tunnel) video signal.



I can't wait for your montage to ruin my life and test the Lumagen Radiance Pro's Dynamic Tone Mapping chops. ...At least the HDR10 layer, since it doesn’t support Dolby Vision.

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Madmax: Perhaps when @sspears stated: He was saying that LLDV was designed with gaming consoles in mind, not Blu-ray players?



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Possibly but there's no mention of this LL in the Dolby Vision white paper so that getting conflated with profile 5 and then demonized as "lesser than" is just confusing things. Profile 5 has always been a Dolby Vision option and in the white paper has the same performance capabilities as profile 4 just delivered in a different way. Even the mention of 1000 nits being an option but 4000 nits actually being implemented is confusing things. If they are both 4000 nits just say their both 4000 nits. From what I'm reading now player led and TV led only effects this LL option not the profile. Makes sense I guess since whichever I select my Sony X930E shows Dolby Vision just fine. Before anyone says this is off topic for the OPPO 203 I disagree as the OPPO's DV setting's actual functionality is the discussion point here IMHO.

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Possibly but there's no mention of this LL in the Dolby Vision white paper so that getting conflated with profile 5 and then demonized as "lesser than" is just confusing things. Profile 5 has always been a Dolby Vision option and in the white paper has the same performance capabilities as profile 4 just delivered in a different way. Even the mention of 1000 nits being an option but 4000 nits actually being implemented is confusing things. If they are both 4000 nits just say their both 4000 nits. From what I'm reading now player led and TV led only effects this LL option not the profile. Makes sense I guess since whichever I select my Sony X930E shows Dolby Vision just fine. Before anyone says this is off topic for the OPPO 203 I disagree as the OPPO's DV setting's actual functionality is the discussion point here IMHO.
Low Latency is a delivery side feature, nothing to do with the DV profile. The idea is the display has very little to do processing-wise as its all done in the source (e.g. BD player), so latency is reduced on the display side, which is important for video games. I don't know the actual latency difference between normal DV and LL. So the "issue" right now is either a method they use to reduce the latency or a bug in DV LL. Either way, I would watch HDR10/10+ over DV LL. And I would watch DV over HDR10/10+ based on what I have seen.

Does not matter what you set the OPPO DV setting to on a Sony display today, it will always use player-led regardless of what the UI says. I kind of wish they would just show a messed up image so you know its wrong. Or I wish they would tell us in the UI which mode it was in. I have asked for that myself.
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Low Latency is a delivery side feature, nothing to do with the DV profile. The idea is the display has very little to do processing-wise as its all done in the source (e.g. BD player), so latency is reduced on the display side, which is important for video games. I don't know the actual latency difference between normal DV and LL. So the "issue" right now is either a method they use to reduce the latency or a bug in DV LL. Either way, I would watch HDR10/10+ over DV LL. And I would watch DV over HDR10/10+ based on what I have seen.



Does not matter what you set the OPPO DV setting to on a Sony display today, it will always use player-led regardless of what the UI says. I kind of wish they would just show a messed up image so you know its wrong. Or I wish they would tell us in the UI which mode it was in. I have asked for that myself.
Ahhh, Ok. That makes sense. Bottom line for me is my Sony with profile 5 doesn't have to tone map HDR as agressively as OLED's so I'll take the brighter display over the more aggresively clipped one with a 12 bit option for future panels. I calibrated my sets greyscale and gamma myself using an i1Display Pro 3 colorimeter so it'll be interesting to see what the newest HDR/DV test patterns show. Thanks for the clarification. This HDR stuff is very hard to follow.
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Low Latency is a delivery side feature, nothing to do with the DV profile. The idea is the display has very little to do processing-wise as its all done in the source (e.g. BD player), so latency is reduced on the display side, which is important for video games. I don't know the actual latency difference between normal DV and LL. So the "issue" right now is either a method they use to reduce the latency or a bug in DV LL. Either way, I would watch HDR10/10+ over DV LL. And I would watch DV over HDR10/10+ based on what I have seen.

Does not matter what you set the OPPO DV setting to on a Sony display today, it will always use player-led regardless of what the UI says. I kind of wish they would just show a messed up image so you know its wrong. Or I wish they would tell us in the UI which mode it was in. I have asked for that myself.

Could this be why users of Sony's TVs like the Z9D (I have this one), show Dolby Vision as less bright than the same content in HDR10? It's like the DV is limited to only 1000 nits in DD LL mode on my Sony, whereas with HDR10 it is much brighter because it's taking advantage of the full 1800 nit capability of the TV. Or am I wrong?

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Does not matter what you set the OPPO DV setting to on a Sony display today, it will always use player-led regardless of what the UI says. I kind of wish they would just show a messed up image so you know its wrong. Or I wish they would tell us in the UI which mode it was in. I have asked for that myself.
I rely on my HDfury device to determine whether my Oppo is actually sending Player led LLDV or TV led.

- In TV led mode Dolby Vision is output as 4K24 RGB 8bit 297MHz HDCP 2.2 as reported by the Vertex.
- In Player led mode LLDV is output as 4K24 422 BT2020 12bit Dolby Vision 297MHz HDCP 2.2 as reported by the Vertex.

My LG B7A can accept both formats. It is difficult to compare the picture since I have found I need to restart both the Oppo and LG after changing the Dolby Vision mode or I get the pink picture. Probably some hand-shaking that fails when the change is made when both are powered on.

I was only able to get my ATV4K to send LLDV to my LG by configuring a Sony TV EDID in the HDfury Vertex in order to fool the ATV4K into thinking it was connected to a Sony TV and not an LG. HDfury has since added an LG LLDV EDID that was requested by some Xbox One owners but I haven't tried it with either my Oppo or ATV4K.
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My Oppo has suddenly stopped outputting any audio


Worked fine yesterday.
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Thank you.



So, if I have this correct, the takeaway is that:



Minimal Enhancement Layer (MEL) is a 10-bit YcBcR 4:2:0 video signal.



Full Enhancement Layer (FEL) is a 12-bit YcBcR 4:2:0 video signal which is then upconverted in the source or display? to an 8-bit RGB (12-bit YCbCr 4:2:2 data in an RGB 4:4:4 8-bit transport tunnel) video signal.



I can't wait for your montage to ruin my life and test the Lumagen Radiance Pro's Dynamic Tone Mapping chops. ...At least the HDR10 layer, since it doesn’t support Dolby Vision.

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This is all talking about profile 4 by the way. Nothing to do with profile 5 that's in Sony TV's as there is no enhancement layer for it. Microsoft worked directly with Dolby on it evidently. The only similarities between the 2 is the low latency aspect that's evidently borked according to Mr. Spears. Other than that it's apples and oranges. Source

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My Oppo has suddenly stopped outputting any audio

Worked fine yesterday.
If I were you, I would backup my settings and then do a factory reset and the reinstall my settings and see if that fixes the issue.

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Already tried that. Also tried reinstalling the latest firmware.
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Hello. I had an Oppo 203 and used it primarily to play my media via network. I moved away from that solution, but let's say I'm reconsidering and wanted to check in on the current state of network playback.

On the latest firmware:

- Does ISO for DVD, BD, and/or UHD BD playback with menus without issue via network?
- Do folder rips for DVD, BD, and/or UHD BD playback with menus without issue via network?
- Does playback of any folder rips require the BDMV folder modifier tweak still?
- In Cinavia enforced on any ISO or folder playback via network?
- Is network playback of any of the above subject to any known issues (audio drops, etc)?

I used to have audio drops on Disney and some other content in MKV, but ISO/folder always was stable.

- Has anything changed in the network browsing interface? Still a text file listing?
- Any other notable changes (improvements or issues) with network playback in the last several months?

I'm happy to discuss via private message as well as any new 3P solutions to enhancing playback.

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Hello. I had an Oppo 203 and used it primarily to play my media via network. I moved away from that solution, but let's say I'm reconsidering and wanted to check in on the current state of network playback.

On the latest firmware:

- Does ISO for DVD, BD, and/or UHD BD playback with menus without issue via network?
- Do folder rips for DVD, BD, and/or UHD BD playback with menus without issue via network?
- Does playback of any folder rips require the BDMV folder modifier tweak still?
- In Cinavia enforced on any ISO or folder playback via network?
- Is network playback of any of the above subject to any known issues (audio drops, etc)?

I used to have audio drops on Disney and some other content in MKV, but ISO/folder always was stable.

- Has anything changed in the network browsing interface? Still a text file listing?
- Any other notable changes (improvements or issues) with network playback in the last several months?

I'm happy to discuss via private message as well as any new 3P solutions to enhancing playback.
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When playing “Aquaman” 4k disc it defaults to DTS-HD MA.



In the menu I change it to Dolby Atmos & start the movie.



Later I had to stop the movie & run an errand.



I left the 4k disc in the Oppo & when I go back to play the movie I hit resume when the menu comes up.



It defaults back to DTS-HD MA each time I’ve tried it. I have to manually go in & switch it back to the Dolby Atmos soundtrack.



Is there any setting in the Oppo where I don’t have to do this each time?
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Hello. I had an Oppo 203 and used it primarily to play my media via network. I moved away from that solution, but let's say I'm reconsidering and wanted to check in on the current state of network playback.

On the latest firmware:

- Does ISO for DVD, BD, and/or UHD BD playback with menus without issue via network?
- Do folder rips for DVD, BD, and/or UHD BD playback with menus without issue via network?
- Does playback of any folder rips require the BDMV folder modifier tweak still?
- In Cinavia enforced on any ISO or folder playback via network?
- Is network playback of any of the above subject to any known issues (audio drops, etc)?

I used to have audio drops on Disney and some other content in MKV, but ISO/folder always was stable.

- Has anything changed in the network browsing interface? Still a text file listing?
- Any other notable changes (improvements or issues) with network playback in the last several months?

I'm happy to discuss via private message as well as any new 3P solutions to enhancing playback.
No ISO support. This has always been the case.

No DVD VIDEO_TS support. No OPPO player has even had that.

Cinavia is enforced for all files on optical media, and as I recall for BDMV folders, although I have not tested that for a long time.

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Already tried that. Also tried reinstalling the latest firmware.
Time to call Oppo now...

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Worked fine yesterday.
Double check both ends of the HDMI connections are still good. (Remove and reseat.)

Note that if you have BOTH HDMI outputs live in the OPPO, audio will be Muted on the Main HDMI output.

Double check you haven't accidentally Muted the player or set Volume to 0 (which is implemented as Mute). The Volume setting doesn't affect the HDMI digital audio output EXCEPT for Volume 0.

Test with simple audio -- a CD disc is the usual choice.

Use the Info displays in the OPPO and your AVR to see if the expected audio format is being sent out and received.
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Cinavia is enforced for all files on optical media, and as I recall for BDMV folders, although I have not tested that for a long time.
It still is, I ran into it with my BDMV backup of The Social Network a couple months ago.
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For someone able to browse ISO files via network connection on their Oppo, can you please confirm if you have a JPG image in the same folder with the same name as the ISO file, does the Oppo show that image as a thumbnail? I recall it did this for MKV files, but I don't remember for ISO. Thanks.

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Double check both ends of the HDMI connections are still good. (Remove and reseat.)

Note that if you have BOTH HDMI outputs live in the OPPO, audio will be Muted on the Main HDMI output.

Double check you haven't accidentally Muted the player or set Volume to 0 (which is implemented as Mute). The Volume setting doesn't affect the HDMI digital audio output EXCEPT for Volume 0.

Test with simple audio -- a CD disc is the usual choice.

Use the Info displays in the OPPO and your AVR to see if the expected audio format is being sent out and received.
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Cinavia is enforced for all files on optical media, and as I recall for BDMV folders, although I have not tested that for a long time.
Is it enforced for MKV?
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Is it enforced for MKV?
I understand at one point it was, it isn't now, and that might change.
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For someone able to browse ISO files via network connection on their Oppo, can you please confirm if you have a JPG image in the same folder with the same name as the ISO file, does the Oppo show that image as a thumbnail? I recall it did this for MKV files, but I don't remember for ISO. Thanks.
There is no interaction with ISO files on the Oppo 203, unless you have FW we can't discuss.

The BDMV folder structure "backups" with full menus have no way (that I am aware of) displaying artwork.

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Is it enforced for MKV?
On optical media: yes. On network sources: no.

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Cinavia is enforced for all files on optical media, and as I recall for BDMV folders, although I have not tested that for a long time.

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On optical media: yes. On network sources: no.

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BDMV folders confirmed as OK for cinavia now?
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No, not the last time I checked (and verified above). The question was about MKV files.

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Is there a region free kit that does automatic blu-ray region switching (i.e. no 5-key remote sequence required to manually switch region) ?

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Is there a region free kit that does automatic blu-ray region switching (i.e. no 5-key remote sequence required to manually switch region) ?
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There's no automatic region switching for any Blu-ray player, as far as I'm aware.
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