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I'm using CAT5 and have 200+MBit/s.

This whole CAT thing is confusion par excellence.

The plugs are ALWAYS CAT5 (there currently is no higher spec for them) from what I've heard.

So it only depends on the quality of the cable itself.

And there are good CAT5 cables as well as bad CAT7 cables and everything in between.

Just like with HDMI.


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I would recommend at least CAT 5e cabling for the Oppo. I go through a few thousand patch cables with my clients each year and I typically recommend the Tripplite because of the molded snagless connectors. Too many have a little tab that gets stuck under the locking mechanism or they have these stupid boots that make it challenging to release them as well. There are some cheaper ones that are just as good for throughput IMHO and durability but if you connect and disconnect as many as I need to these are the only way I want to go. The dual fins help protect the locking component but make it easy to depress it for quick release. Plus does it really matter if the cable is $8 or $4 to you?



Forgot to mention - some belkin's also have this connector but not all. Belkin's are also good quality.
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Thank you all for your suggestions! Although not ideal, for the time being I have found that if I force HDR10 (using the workaround found earlier in this thread), I can get things to work fine, just no DV. One of the problems is clearly the communication between the Denon AVR and the LG: The Denon won't (can't?) see the Deep Color capability of the LG, and so it won't play in the 10-12 bit color arena. This is true even when the Oppo is turned off, so the Oppo is not even part of the equation. I misspoke earlier, in that the main HDMI cable does not have the "HDMI Premium Certification" (which, as I understand it, is only given to passive cables), but is an active cable at 40' (monoprice DynamicView). In this, I have no choice in the matter (the denon cannot be moved closer to the LG), so I will bide my time until another solution presents itself.


One last question. To my (extremely limited) understanding, the relationship between HDR10 (static Metadata) and Dolby Vision (dynamic Metadata) is conceptually similar to that between the Dolby TrueHD core and Atmos (?). If a display wont support DV, the player will default to sending the HDR10 "core," correct? By forcing the HDR10 in the Oppo, am I correct in that this is the same thing? In other words, am I getting the same HDR10 PQ as I would if the display was not DV compatible in the first place?

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To my (extremely limited) understanding, the relationship between HDR10 (static Metadata) and Dolby Vision (dynamic Metadata) is conceptually similar to that between the Dolby TrueHD core and Atmos (?). If a display wont support DV, the player will default to sending the HDR10 "core," correct? By forcing the HDR10 in the Oppo, am I correct in that this is the same thing? In other words, am I getting the same HDR10 PQ as I would if the display was not DV compatible in the first place?

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The short answer is yes, you are correct.

However, the analogy is a bad one on many levels, the principal one being that Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Atmos are both proprietary codecs from the same originator and both require licensing from Dolby in addition to the necessary processors in the audio gear; and Atmos is designed to be compatible for "down-folding" into TrueHD by omitting the separate audio objects and their controlling metadata. (Please forgive my layman's attempt at describing the process.)

HDR10, on the other hand, is an open-source standard that the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) has mandated for UHD Blu-ray disc authoring. Thus even discs that are encoded with Dolby Vision must also include HDR10 as an alternate standard for the user to choose. The two do not interact in the way that TrueHD and Atmos do to accomplish compatibility.

So yes, the concept is similar but the technological processes involved and the relationships between the two sets of standards are quite different.
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The short answer is yes, you are correct.

However, the analogy is a bad one on many levels, the principal one being that Dolby TrueHD and Dolby Atmos are both proprietary codecs from the same originator and both require licensing from Dolby in addition to the necessary processors in the audio gear; and Atmos is designed to be compatible for "down-folding" into TrueHD by omitting the separate audio objects and their controlling metadata. (Please forgive my layman's attempt at describing the process.)

HDR10, on the other hand, is an open-source standard that the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) has mandated for UHD Blu-ray disc authoring. Thus even discs that are encoded with Dolby Vision must also include HDR10 as an alternate standard for the user to choose. The two do not interact in the way that TrueHD and Atmos do to accomplish compatibility.

So yes, the concept is similar but the technological processes involved and the relationships between the two sets of standards are quite different.

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I would recommend at least CAT 5e cabling for the Oppo. I go through a few thousand patch cables with my clients each year and I typically recommend the Tripplite because of the molded snagless connectors. Too many have a little tab that gets stuck under the locking mechanism or they have these stupid boots that make it challenging to release them as well. There are some cheaper ones that are just as good for throughput IMHO and durability but if you connect and disconnect as many as I need to these are the only way I want to go. The dual fins help protect the locking component but make it easy to depress it for quick release. Plus does it really matter if the cable is $8 or $4 to you?



Forgot to mention - some belkin's also have this connector but not all. Belkin's are also good quality.
Yeah I'm in need of some new cat6, and those look really good. I always wondered why they don't use the gold plating on the connector though. I'm also unclear as to what makes the "guts" of one cat6 better than an another TBH.

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Yeah I'm in need of some new cat6, and those look really good. I always wondered why they don't use the gold plating on the connector though. I'm also unclear as to what makes the "guts" of one cat6 better than an another TBH.
I run 10g at home between workstations. I tried some fancy "cat7" patch cables with gold plated ends (I bought on amazon). They didn't perform as well as my old cat6 cables. When I copy between systems I push the max of my 10g so I know if something isn't doing well. I'm sure there are cat7 cables that perform better than my cat6 cables but since I'm able to push 10g with these, they should suffice for 1g even over a distance. I have tested them for clients over 150' and they still cert at Cat6 and have no problem maxing out 1g - so I think your Oppo should be fine (I'm running 100' to my oppo without issue).

My next big project is 100g but I'm waiting for a decent priced SMALL passively cooled switch but for that I'll be going fiber.
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I run 10g at home between workstations. I tried some fancy "cat7" patch cables with gold plated ends (I bought on amazon). They didn't perform as well as my old cat6 cables. When I copy between systems I push the max of my 10g so I know if something isn't doing well. I'm sure there are cat7 cables that perform better than my cat6 cables but since I'm able to push 10g with these, they should suffice for 1g even over a distance. I have tested them for clients over 150' and they still cert at Cat6 and have no problem maxing out 1g - so I think your Oppo should be fine (I'm running 100' to my oppo without issue).

My next big project is 100g but I'm waiting for a decent priced SMALL passively cooled switch but for that I'll be going fiber.
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Thanks, I actually went w/ these(sounds like you might wanna take a look at 'em too):
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...55EV4A6M&psc=1

Here's a similar product from a different Amazon seller, but even cheaper. I've been very happy with them but have not have occasion to test out their limits in my applications. Also, they are available in various lengths up to 50ft.:


UGREEN Ethernet Cable Cat7 RJ45 Network Patch Cable Flat 10 Gigabit 600Mhz LAN Wire Cable Cord Shielded

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Here's a similar product from a different Amazon seller, but even cheaper. I've been very happy with them but have not have occasion to test out their limits in my applications. Also, they are available in various lengths up to 50ft.:


UGREEN Ethernet Cable Cat7 RJ45 Network Patch Cable Flat 10 Gigabit 600Mhz LAN Wire Cable Cord Shielded
yeah I saw those, but they're cat7, also way thinner.

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Nothing wrong with your choices but you realize Cat6a passes 10g - and the oppo is only 1g so cat5e and cat6 are fine. Nothing wrong with getting anything higher than cat5 though.
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Nothing wrong with your choices but you realize Cat6a passes 10g - and the oppo is only 1g so cat5 and cat6 are fine. Nothing wrong with getting anything higher than cat5 though.
No, Cat5 does not pass 1g, you need Cat5e cables for that.
While many Cat5 cables may pass 1g, it's dumb luck, they are not rated or expected to pass 1g traffic.
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Thanks - I corrected that but if you look at my earlier posts I do mention cat5e. Also does anyone even sell cat5 patch cables that aren't cat5e any more?
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Hi, I have 203 and AV Reciever Marantz 6013. I have connected projector to main HDMI output. When I put audio CD there is no sound until I turn on projector, after I turn off projector, sound is gone. I was looking throug menus if there is something wrong set but I cannot find anything. Any clue?

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@tomasg , my setup works OK. My UDP-203's main is connected to my Samsung Q900 & the second (Audio only) port to my Integra DHC-80.3.
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Hi, I have 203 and AV Reciever Marantz 6013. I have connected projector to main HDMI output. When I put audio CD there is no sound until I turn on projector, after I turn off projector, sound is gone. I was looking throug menus if there is something wrong set but I cannot find anything. Any clue?

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Hi all,

I have just taken the jump to 4k (LG C9), though I have been using the 203 for just under a year feeding a 1080p plasma (Panny 65V10). I have run into a problem, and I am hoping this will sound familiar. After integrating the display into my setup (no trivial task), I began video tests. The first video I tried was a standard Blu-ray, which worked great. HDMI connection was rock solid with no handshake issues, and the PQ was stunning. Then I tried a native 4k disc, which gave a blank screen. Here is my preliminary reasoning (I will continue testing tonight), so my hope is that the experts here will critique my conclusions and point me in the right direction. I strongly suspect the problem to be in the wetware (me), and that I simply have something misconfigured somewhere. So, here goes:

Signal Path: Oppo 203 --> Denon X6400H AVR --> LG C9 (via certified HDMI cables)

All applicable video settings in the Oppo are set to Auto, and the detailed info during playback shows that the incoming video is 1080p, upscaled to 4k prior to being sent to the Denon. The Denon also shows that the incoming video is 4k, which is does nothing to, and sends it on to the LG, where it displays normally. I am still trying to figure out how to display signal information on the LG, to confirm that it is receiving 4k, but I suspect it is. This tells me that the signal path is OK, and that a 4k signal (albeit an upconverted one) is supported through the entire chain. I would expect a handshake or other HDMI issue to manifest itself as intermittent video, playback lockups, messed up color, stuff like that - none of which was present.

Now, for the native 4k disc, when the Oppo reads the type, the screen simply goes blank. The player continues normally (as noted by the front display), but there is no picture. I am also unable to invoke the info screen. The player is not frozen, as the stop button ceases playback and returns me to the main Oppo screen. This suggests to me that I have some output setting wrong, either in the Oppo, or the Denon.

I am hoping for a simple reconfiguration solution, as even switching out cables would be a major endeavor in my setup, and I refuse to believe that I am simply SOL (I have been saving too long for that). Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
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Update: I re-checked all of the Oppo, Denon, and LG settings, and tried a different UHD disc... and it worked flawlessly. I then checked the signal path, and it reported 4k/24hz on all interfaces (though I still have not figured out how to get the input signal data on the LG). I then tried the disc that gave a blank screen last night, and... it gave a blank screen. The difference between the two titles? The one that worked was HDR10 only, while the one that blanked out was Dolby Vision. The only setting I was hesitant to mess with is on the Denon: the 4k Signal Format. The options are Standard (4k 60p 4:2:0 8-bit) and Enhanced (4k 60p 4:4:4/4:2:2/4:2:0 10-bit), and the default is Standard. Does Dolby Vision need the Enhanced setting? Why else would Dolby Vision fail (everybody in the chain supports it)?
Yet another update (for anyone else experiencing the same issues):

I found the Dolby Vision problem (and it was not the cables...). My Denon AVR did not have the most up-to-date firmware (when it's not security related, my policy is to never mess with firmware unless something is not working right... and this qualifies). After updating the firmware, I tried to change the AVR to "enhanced" mode, and this time it saw the LG Deep Color with no complaint.

Now, the only problem seems to be in the 203's DV processing. When spinning up the disc, while it was correctly identified as Dolby Vision, the signal cut off two times when navigating the opening menus (the LG said "no signal" for about a second each time, before it was re-established). Once I hit Play, there were no further problems: I just finished watching "Ready Player One" without issue (other than the indent made in the carpet when my jaw hit it at the PQ) . The Oppo was in "TV-led" mode, so next I will try "Player-led." Thank you all for your help!

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Yet another update (for anyone else experiencing the same issues):

I found the Dolby Vision problem (and it was not the cables...). My Denon AVR did not have the most up-to-date firmware (when it's not security related, my policy is to never mess with firmware unless something is not working right... and this qualifies). After updating the firmware, I tried to change the AVR to "enhanced" mode, and this time it saw the LG Deep Color with no complaint.

Now, the only problem seems to be in the 203's DV processing. When spinning up the disc, while it was correctly identified as Dolby Vision, the signal cut off two times when navigating the opening menus (the LG said "no signal" for about a second each time, before it was re-established). Once I hit Play, there were no further problems: I just finished watching "Ready Player One" without issue (other than the indent made in the carpet when my jaw hit it at the PQ) . The Oppo was in "TV-led" mode, so next I will try "Player-led." Thank you all for your help!
Usually the movie menu is at 60HZ while the actual film is 24. Again that could be back to a data bottleneck and the cables can still be the issue. Best way to troubleshoot this is to shorten the signal path through the receiver somehow rather than remove the receiver from the loop. In your case that would mean bringing either the TV or receiver closer together as a test.
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Usually the movie menu is at 60HZ while the actual film is 24. Again that could be back to a data bottleneck and the cables can still be the issue. Best way to troubleshoot this is to shorten the signal path through the receiver somehow rather than remove the receiver from the loop. In your case that would mean bringing either the TV or receiver closer together as a test.

Thank you for your response... I agree that the most logical path of action at this point would be to bring the AVR closer to the TV. Unfortunately, this would prove a major endeavor, and one that is not worth solving a couple of dropouts, especially since the movie itself is unaffected. And, given the way the wiring is designed in my HT (mainly the in-wall stuff), moving the AVR on a permanent basis is not an option (even if that does prove to be the problem). Given the PQ I saw last night, a couple of hiccups before the move starts seem to be of little concern. There are still a few configuration possibilities I may try, however...

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Is it fair to say that oppo will not get around to fixing the tone mapping.. I'm still hoping and would like to stop using custom curves on my jvc..
I don't have a useful answer for you on this. Personally, I think it unlikely there will be any more work on this issue, but OPPO has surprised us before.

Sometimes OPPO Tech Support will let such cats out of the bag if you feel like asking them directly.
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Can You Use Zoom with Forced HDR

Hello all. I have an Oppo 203 with the HDR through HDMI port update but not the Dolby Vision update yet. Can someone please answer the following: If you have a Dolby Vision program streaming through the HDMI port, I understand you can't use the Zoom function on Dolby Vision. HOWEVER if you switch the HDR setting to "forced", can you THEN use zoom? My understanding is this would switch the DV program to "generic HDR" and then you would regain zoom functionality, but I don't know. I'm holding off updating to Dolby Vision because I absolutely need the zoom capabilities, and my pic looks terrific already, but if I could maintain the zoom function even with DV, all would be good. Thank you.
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The only issue recently is the LG 6 series being fed the player-led profile for DV as opposed to the correct tv-led when set to auto, even if this were to happen to you setting DV to tv-led resolves it.
Not in my case it doesnt resolve it. Once the problem occurs, I have to do a complete factory reset in order to get DV to work properly, and then its only temporary, until it decides it wants to screw up again.

I hope Oppo fixes it soon!
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Thank you for your response... I agree that the most logical path of action at this point would be to bring the AVR closer to the TV. Unfortunately, this would prove a major endeavor, and one that is not worth solving a couple of dropouts, especially since the movie itself is unaffected. And, given the way the wiring is designed in my HT (mainly the in-wall stuff), moving the AVR on a permanent basis is not an option (even if that does prove to be the problem). Given the PQ I saw last night, a couple of hiccups before the move starts seem to be of little concern. There are still a few configuration possibilities I may try, however...
No problem buddy and I totally get it regarding long in wall HDMI runs making it harder to troubleshoot things. Hard to gauge another's level of concern on just written forum posts however. I just assume if it was worth the user posting about then it's worth giving what I think is the best troubleshooting advice and it's also not posted just for the original user. Best practice in the new world of 4K HDR and higher frame rates is to keep all products from source to repeater to sink in the loop and instead shorten the cabling when troubleshooting dropout issues. This is because the newer HDMI repeaters in AV receivers seems to be more sensitive to cabling than the older HD ones and it needs to stay in the loop but like you said it was more of a query than a worry on your part in this case but at least you have a possible answer as to why. Glad things got resolved on the movie watching part. I'm breaking in my newest 4K Christopher Nolan Batman collection as we speak. Looks great!
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Not in my case it doesnt resolve it. Once the problem occurs, I have to do a complete factory reset in order to get DV to work properly, and then its only temporary, until it decides it wants to screw up again.

I hope Oppo fixes it soon!
Yours is not the common problem everyone else experiences, I'd suggest there's something else wrong in your setup or there's a component or cable issue, the issue I was referring to was specifically the known LG OLED 6 series on Auto being fed the incorrect Player-Led profile.
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Yours is not the common problem everyone else experiences, I'd suggest there's something else wrong in your setup or there's a component or cable issue, the issue I was referring to was specifically the known LG OLED 6 series on Auto being fed the incorrect Player-Led profile.
It's a common problem for me! lol I have a B6 with Oppo on Auto and sometimes, when I pop in a DV disc, the Oppo sends a DV signal but the TV does not flip into DV mode, hence the pink mess. I swapped out the cables with certified cables, just to be sure, since they're so cheap. Problem still occurs. *Nothing* else in my setup had changed, just the Oppo firmware. All other devices trigger DV on the TV like they're supposed to.

Once the problem occurs, switching the Oppo to TV-led does not rectify the problem. I have to do a complete factory reset on the Oppo / reboot the Oppo and when Auto-Play plays the disc in the drawer, wala, DV works as its supposed to.
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It's a common problem for me! lol I have a B6 with Oppo on Auto and sometimes, when I pop in a DV disc, the Oppo sends a DV signal but the TV does not flip into DV mode, hence the pink mess. I swapped out the cables with certified cables, just to be sure, since they're so cheap. Problem still occurs. *Nothing* else in my setup had changed, just the Oppo firmware. All other devices trigger DV on the TV like they're supposed to.

Once the problem occurs, switching the Oppo to TV-led does not rectify the problem. I have to do a complete factory reset on the Oppo / reboot the Oppo and when Auto-Play plays the disc in the drawer, wala, DV works as its supposed to.
So are you leaving the player in TV-Led mode? if not then that is most likely your issue, the pink screen is all because the OPPO sends player-led signal mucking up the works, just as you've described, if you keep leaving it in auto then that's most likely your issue.
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It's a common problem for me! lol I have a B6 with Oppo on Auto and sometimes, when I pop in a DV disc, the Oppo sends a DV signal but the TV does not flip into DV mode, hence the pink mess. I swapped out the cables with certified cables, just to be sure, since they're so cheap. Problem still occurs. *Nothing* else in my setup had changed, just the Oppo firmware. All other devices trigger DV on the TV like they're supposed to.

Once the problem occurs, switching the Oppo to TV-led does not rectify the problem. I have to do a complete factory reset on the Oppo / reboot the Oppo and when Auto-Play plays the disc in the drawer, wala, DV works as its supposed to.
It's a firmware issue with the Auto setting. Leave the Oppo in TV-led mode. Don't switch back to Auto after the reset.
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