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Thx I will do that.
There's some discussion here https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threa...phasis.777476/ about previous Oppo models, with users opining that the Oppo de-emphasised any emphasised material before passing it out via SPDIF.
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Unhappy HDMI Audio Issues

Hello,

Earlier this year I posted an issue where HDMI connection for video and audio direct to my Yamaha 3070 AVR stopped working suddenly. I could get audio working when I did video to my lg oled directly and audio to my AVR. I used that for a week or two then went back to the single hdmi cable for both and it started working as before without changing any settings. The issue is back and now splitting the audio and video out via different cables isn’t working either.

I reset the Oppo to factory defaults, upgraded AVR firmware and I can’t find the issue. I will attach screen shots of my avr and Oppo displays when I get home to see if that helps anyone identify my issue. This was working fine two weeks ago!

Any suggestions greatly appreciated!
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Hello,

Earlier this year I posted an issue where HDMI connection for video and audio direct to my Yamaha 3070 AVR stopped working suddenly. I could get audio working when I did video to my lg oled directly and audio to my AVR. I used that for a week or two then went back to the single hdmi cable for both and it started working as before without changing any settings. The issue is back and now splitting the audio and video out via different cables isn’t working either.

I reset the Oppo to factory defaults, upgraded AVR firmware and I can’t find the issue. I will attach screen shots of my avr and Oppo displays when I get home to see if that helps anyone identify my issue. This was working fine two weeks ago!

Any suggestions greatly appreciated!
Best guess is that you're dealing with HDCP handshake failures. The only way to clear one of those is a cold boot of all connected devices. That means no "network standby" settings or the like, and worse case is to pull the plug. Forcing a new handshake doesn't work. Oppo has to be set to "Energy Efficient" standby and Yamaha must have pass-through and network standby disabled.

As to what's causing this handshake to fail, a dodgy cable is the place to start. But "no audio" is usually a failed handshake at the AVR, although anything is possible with HDCP.
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(If this message was regarding the DolbyVision issue)

The most recent firmware for the Oppo UDP-203 (and 205?) as of now: UDP20X-65-0131

There's a glitch that will only display a solid black screen when playing back Dolby Vision content if you have any modified Picture Adjustments on the oppo (ie: Sharpness, Saturation, Contrast, Brightness, etc...)
This glitch was not present in any previous versions of the firmware, only the 65-0131 version. HDR10 content is unaffected.

The fix is to go into the Picture Adjustments setting (under Setup -> Video -> Picture Adjustments) and set these to default (0,0,0,0,0,0).
Since the player allows 3 different custom picture settings, make your preferred adjustments to one and leave one of them at default. You'll need to set the player to this default (0,0,0,0,0,0) before launching the DolbyVision title. If watching HDR10/SDR content, you can use your customer picture adjustments.

This may be isolated to the LG OLED panels.. but it sounds like it corrupts the video output of DolbyVision so there's a good chance it affects all TV models. There is currently no firmware fix for this problem.
My OPPO Is set to all 0’s. Spider-Man Far from a Home is all red, not black on my LG
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Best guess is that you're dealing with HDCP handshake failures. The only way to clear one of those is a cold boot of all connected devices. That means no "network standby" settings or the like, and worse case is to pull the plug. Forcing a new handshake doesn't work. Oppo has to be set to "Energy Efficient" standby and Yamaha must have pass-through and network standby disabled.

As to what's causing this handshake to fail, a dodgy cable is the place to start. But "no audio" is usually a failed handshake at the AVR, although anything is possible with HDCP.
I tried a different cable no luck. I also unplugged the cables from both the AVR and Oppo for about a minute and then retried - still the same. I think it has to be a handshake issue as nothing has changed in the settings from when it was working a couple weeks ago. Attached are the Pictures of the AVR and Oppo. The AVR shows zero audio when checking out the input info - shows 4K for video and the audio page is completely blank. Any other suggestions on things to try?
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My OPPO Is set to all 0’s. Spider-Man Far from a Home is all red, not black on my LG
Same April firmware version
Thank you , I wasn't aware of this bug and it certainly explains the behavior between the 203 and M9702 as one is on an earlier firmware I believe and I didnt notice the DV bug before. So as long as the Oppo video processing is on a flat preset, it will playback. The issue I was having was black screen, with the lossless audio track playing through the amp. ie. atmos, dtsx etc. Now it makes sense. I have an LG G6 oled, I am not sure if the behavior is present on player led but I will check at some point as I have a z9d as well available to test with. I want to say forcing resolution was a work around but I don't remember right off. Have to look at the settings again.
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Thank you , I wasn't aware of this bug and it certainly explains the behavior between the 203 and M9702 as one is on an earlier firmware I believe and I didnt notice the DV bug before. So as long as the Oppo video processing is on a flat preset, it will playback. The issue I was having was black screen, with the lossless audio track playing through the amp. ie. atmos, dtsx etc. Now it makes sense. I have an LG G6 oled, I am not sure if the behavior is present on player led but I will check at some point as I have a z9d as well available to test with. I want to say forcing resolution was a work around but I don't remember right off. Have to look at the settings again.
I don't believe the LG 6 series can support Player Led. Newer models do. Oppo should be set to TV Led since the Auto setting has issues introduced in the most recent firmware update.

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Was watching the UHD disc 'Green Book' and experienced numerous video dropouts. Disc was clean, no scratches, dirt. Both the TV (LG OLED65E6P) and player (OPPO UHD203) are up to date with FW updates. Player and TV are connected via a high speed HDMI cable. Also shut down the system and turned it back on to no avail...
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I've started noticing weird lip sync problems when playing blu-rays, especially 4K discs with Dolby Vision and HDR10.

My set up was initially:

1. HDMI video direct to LG OLED C7 (HDMI1 input)
2. HDMI audio to Denon 4200 receiver
3. Denon 4200 receiver to LG OLED C7 (HDMI2 input with ARC)
4. Technicolor Expert mode on TV
5. All TV processing off except for Real Cinema which is forced on by the TV for 24p material.

After researching I got the impression ghat Real Cinema was the culprit because it quadruples processing time so the picture falls behind. But, as I said, you can't disable it for certain inputs.

So I tried sending both audio and video to the receiver via a single HDMI cable. This has the benefit of having the TV (apparently) send delay information back to the receiver via the HDMI2 ARC connection.

That seemed to fix the lip sync while watching movies, but when watching special features the lip sync issue returns - most recently tested with Shout Factory's John Carpenter's Vampires and Lionsgate's Apocalypse Now Final Cut (the intro of which is Dolby Vision).

The only thing that seems to work is scrapping the TV's cinema modes altogether and using Game mode (replicating the settings from Technicolor Expert mode as much as possible).

Oppo/Denon/LG is quite a common combination but my issues "appear" to be unique. Can anyone shed any light? Is there something I can tweak at the Oppo end? (Most of my Oppo setting are "auto").

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Was watching the UHD disc 'Green Book' and experienced numerous video dropouts. Disc was clean, no scratches, dirt. Both the TV (LG OLED65E6P) and player (OPPO UHD203) are up to date with FW updates. Player and TV are connected via a high speed HDMI cable. Also shut down the system and turned it back on to no avail...
Whether it looks clean or not, cleaning it is the first step. Make sure the Oppo is set to "Energy Efficient" standby, or rebooting it won't do much.
If cleaning doesn't fix the disc, you need to replace it. If this happens on other discs then there are other issues at play.
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I don't believe the LG 6 series can support Player Led. Newer models do. Oppo should be set to TV Led since the Auto setting has issues introduced in the most recent firmware update.
As mentioned: I use tv led for a g6 oled and would use player led for a z9d. Sorry if that wasn't more clear.
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Whether it looks clean or not, cleaning it is the first step. Make sure the Oppo is set to "Energy Efficient" standby, or rebooting it won't do much.
If cleaning doesn't fix the disc, you need to replace it. If this happens on other discs then there are other issues at play.
Thanks, will try those suggestions.
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Thanks, will try those suggestions.
Unfortunately it looks like an issue with the player. Tried another recent HDR release, Captain Marvel, and same thing is happening. I have a service call into Oppo. Thanks for the assistance.
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For reasons I can’t explain, my Oppo is now down sampling all my UHD Blu-ray’s to 1080p. Menus are 4K as are streaming files. What gives? Anybody have any ideas what would cause this?

My chain is Oppo 203 to Anthem AVM60 to HD Fury to Epson LS10000
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Unfortunately it looks like an issue with the player. Tried another recent HDR release, Captain Marvel, and same thing is happening. I have a service call into Oppo. Thanks for the assistance.
Next task is to rule out an HDMI cable issue, which can cause dropouts.
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For reasons I can’t explain, my Oppo is now down sampling all my UHD Blu-ray’s to 1080p. Menus are 4K as are streaming files. What gives? Anybody have any ideas what would cause this?

My chain is Oppo 203 to Anthem AVM60 to HD Fury to Epson LS10000
That's a complex HDMI chain. But I'd start by pulling the AC plug on the Oppo and restart.
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For reasons I can’t explain, my Oppo is now down sampling all my UHD Blu-ray’s to 1080p. Menus are 4K as are streaming files. What gives? Anybody have any ideas what would cause this?

My chain is Oppo 203 to Anthem AVM60 to to Epson LS10000
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There's some discussion here https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threa...phasis.777476/ about previous Oppo models, with users opining that the Oppo de-emphasised any emphasised material before passing it out via SPDIF.
I'd be curious as to whether the Oppos properly de-emphasize pre-emphasized CDs over HDMI. I've been buying CDs since they came out in the US in 1983, so I know a number of my earliest CD purchases were pre-emphasized. My first CD player (Sony ES701), which I bought in October 1983, had an indicator on the front panel that lit up when the player was de-emphasizing those early CDs. It would be great if it could be determined that the Oppos (I have both a 203 and 205) properly de-emphasized these CDs before sending the data out over HDMI. If not, I have to wonder if the DACs in my Denon 8500 receiver are properly doing the work in that department.
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Never mind, I found the problem... the EDID switch on the HD Fury got bumped to the wrong setting.
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I'd be curious as to whether the Oppos properly de-emphasize pre-emphasized CDs over HDMI. I've been buying CDs since they came out in the US in 1983, so I know a number of my earliest CD purchases were pre-emphasized. My first CD player (Sony ES701), which I bought in October 1983, had an indicator on the front panel that lit up when the player was de-emphasizing those early CDs. It would be great if it could be determined that the Oppos (I have both a 203 and 205) properly de-emphasized these CDs before sending the data out over HDMI. If not, I have to wonder if the DACs in my Denon 8500 receiver are properly doing the work in that department.
Interesting discussion. I doubt the Oppo does that, but I'd like to know. A quick email to customer support and they'll respond in a day more than likely.

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There's some discussion here https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threa...phasis.777476/ about previous Oppo models, with users opining that the Oppo de-emphasised any emphasised material before passing it out via SPDIF.
Interesting. If it really did deemphasize the signal would go from wav > d/a converter > analog filtering stage (correct deemphasing according to red book) > a/d converter > spdif.
Will see what oppo support says.
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Interesting discussion. I doubt the Oppo does that, but I'd like to know. A quick email to customer support and they'll respond in a day more than likely.
I've sent an email to Oppo asking about it. Will report back to this thread once I hear back from them.
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Can the 203 be changed to read region b blu ray discs
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Can the 203 be changed to read region b blu ray discs
Only with a hardware attachment. See the FAQ: Region Free Modifications.

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Next task is to rule out an HDMI cable issue, which can cause dropouts.
Oppo recommended a factory reset and that solved the problem. Thanks again
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There's some discussion here https://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threa...phasis.777476/ about previous Oppo models, with users opining that the Oppo de-emphasised any emphasised material before passing it out via SPDIF.
So, I asked Oppo support about this today, with regard to the 203 and 205 models. In particular, I asked about applying de-emphasis to the digital data sent over HDMI. What I received from Oppo support was:

"The player does support Pre-Emphasis, but the player requires that the Pre-Emphasis flag be in the [CD's] Table of Contents as originally designed in the Redbook CD standards. If it is on the ToC, it should be applied to all [digital and analog] outputs."

I asked a follow-up question about whether the player then strips the pre-emphasis flag from its digital outputs so that a connected receiver/processor DACs don't see it and inadvertently perform a "double de-emphasis." What I got back from Oppo (very quick response by the way) was:

"That is our assumption. Unfortunately we no longer have the resources to confirm the information."

The latter sentence was a bit disconcerting, but I suspect the assumption was correct. I would think any competent circuit designer would realize the potential issue of sending the pre-emphasis flag over a digital connection where the proper de-emphasis had already been applied.

wmcclain: you may want to consider adding this to the FAQ. But, hey, that's your baby!
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wmcclain: you may want to consider adding this to the FAQ. But, hey, that's your baby!
Ok, done: Does the OPPO support pre-emphasis on audio CD?

But: how can it be frequently asked if I've never heard of it?

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"That is our assumption. Unfortunately we no longer have the resources to confirm the information."

The latter sentence was a bit disconcerting, but I suspect the assumption was correct.
I agree. That worries me too. It sounds like OPPO may no longer have a connection with Mediatek. Sounds like we’re on our own now.

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