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Lol you consider a failed $4 HDMI cable a major issue and want a longer return window??

Seriously? Just return the player now I doubt it will ever be able to meet your expectations.
I guess you dont consider multiple issues during a 30 day return window reason enough to actually communicate with a manufacturer and ask them for a grace period before you decide to give up on their product.. but you know what? I do.

Why you would even post your comment I am not sure, but its borderline disrespectful.
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The pixels looks the same size to me when zoomed in, as they should since they are both the same TV. The difference is in one the LG is doing the upscaling itself, in the other the Oppo is doing the upscaling.

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I see what you mean now. I have attached screen shots before and after so you can also see that the before zoom has pixels on the Oppo that are much smaller too. The first one is max zoom, and the 2nd one is as you posted.
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Forgive my ignorance, but...

Given that many of us have HDMI cables that may or may not be adequate for 4K signals, it would be nice if we had a reliable way of testing them. Since the OPPO has the ability to display the bitrate of signal going through it, what about using that plus the TV display, to test HDMI cables for adequate bandwidth?

Unfortunately, my UHD Blu-Ray disks (all two of them so far!) have wildly varying bit rates. Is there a free (or very cheap) test signal available with a consistent high bitrate that could be downloaded onto a flash drive or disk, then run through the OPPO to see whether a given HDMI cable is up to snuff?

Just asking. Thanks

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When running SDR BT2020 should it show HDR in the JVC info screen? I'm thinking no but want to make sure.
You are thinking correctly.

It is interesting that with the beta firmware on the Oppo, I am not seeing the old lit up "deep color" note on the JVC RS500 info screen. It is, instead, grayed out, when running in rec2020, meta-data-stripped mode. Note that "grayed out" on the JVC doesn't necessarily mean "not present". For example, when HDR is not present, the words are literally not displayed at all -- not just grayed out.

This is different from what the JVC displayed on the old production Oppo firmware, where the color info on the JVC info screen used to have a highlighted color info entry. (My memory is bad but I want to say it indicated 12 bit deep color. I could be remembering wrong.)

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All I got was a white screen when I tried "Stip Metadata" for the first time after the beta firmware update... Did you have to reboot the player?
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As a reminder, and to everyone else too, be sure to clear the Persistent Storage in the player and do a reset to factory default settings after updating the firmware in the 203. This helps to clear any residual information left behind from old firmware revisions that can sometimes cause issues with functionality.
Yeah, I have had Oppo's for the life of the company, and installed many firmwares -- both beta and production ones -- over the years, and almost ALWAYS skipped the instruction to do a complete factory reset and delete all persistent data. And it never bit me in the butt UNTIL this beta with the 203. It is 100% necessary.

Really.

Do it.

Twice.

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You'll want to check out the JVC owners thread for your projector. It sounds like what you are seeing is HDR being recognized by the projector. Gamma D is the setting JVC switches to for HDR. This will make the average brightness less. This is why some projector uses turn off HDR and use the strip metadata feature to still pass the wider color gamut and keep the image brighter. You may also need to load the BT2020 color profile into the JVC with their autocal software. Again, there is a lot of information in the JVC threads.

It does sound like what you saw with the samsung is normal and you will see it with the Oppo if you use HDR.
The Samsung had a few other issues when playing HDR into a JVC. One needs to adjust Gamma D on the JVC as JVC instructs on their web site for "all" HDR content. But with the Samsung player, it was also recommended to make some adjustments in the Samsung video output settings as well. I don't recall what those were now, since my Samsung is long gone, but they made a difference.

And yes, uploading the rec2020 profile is critical, whether watching default HDR UHD content or doing the strip meta data.

Most of us JVC owners aren't using SDR2020 to keep the image brighter. Rather, we are using it to keep the image darker! Well, in the sense that SDR2020 allows the dynamic iris and black level to go VERY dark when needed, whereas with HDR2020 the iris is stuck in one spot and typically requires a lot of light output -- meaning the black floor of the JVC is raised quite a bit. Might as well have a single chip DLP business class projector at that point (sarcasm!).

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Exactly what I did. Install FW, wipe player, powercycle again, and then it worked fine.


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For the group using the 203 with a JVC projector, do you still use gamma D if you strip Metadata? Likewise if you're using BT 2020 but not HDR am I correct in thinking that high lamp isn't necessary?
No, and yes. Just make sure you are using a rec2020 profile on the JVC. Every other setting on the JVC will be the same as when you watch blu ray (color temp, brightness and contrast, gamma, etc).

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In addition to separate brightness and contrast controls (which I understand the Oppo already has), the key factor that makes the Panasonic great at HDR to SDR conversion is the inclusion of a "control slider" making it possible to tweak the conversion to suit the display. So that brings me to my point/question: With the latest beta firmware update, did Oppo include a "control" slider to allow for fine tuning the conversion? If not, does anyone know if Oppo is planning to add such controls?
All signs point to "yes" though getting gamma/EOTF mapping perfected at one point is their first order of business (see below).

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Gamma D is only for use with HDR.
Use the BT.2020 color profile and start with the rest of the settings the same as you use for REC709.
High Lamp is not needed. Set Iris to Auto after setting the iris to where it looks good to you.
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Use a standard Gamma, BT2020 profile, and yep, low lamp should be fine, depending on screen size.
Very true. In fact, I would be super curious to hear is someone is NOT doing it this way? That is, has anyone found it necessary to open the iris more, or less, etc?

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I'm using strip metadata and I haven't noticed the banding. I'll have my eye out tonight. Going to BB to pick up a UHD/HDR disc. Any suggestions? I want to be wowed. Suicide Squad was wild if anyone is interested. We checked it out last night. HDR is amazing. Can't wait for the sequel. Thought Jared Leto did a good job as Joker. He had very big shoes to fill. Great film, especially the writing.
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I easily saw banding in Jason Bourne, but did not see it in B v S when I was testing. It isnt bad, I mean Ive seen older plasmas have false contouring so its not like id be mad and pull the movie out.

Going to watch Mag 7 tonight in UHD with HDR Strip, will keep an eye out. I know it is not my display, I never had banding with the 900 and it outputs 422 12 bit. With everything on Auto, the 203 outputs 422 12bit to my display.
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Is it correct that Brightness +8 is only the current recommendation for HDR Strip, not HDR OFF?
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Yes the +8 for brightness in the picture settings should only be applied to STRIP METADATA as a temporary workaround until the feature can be perfected more in future firmware.
One can use a test pattern (an HDR test pattern) like what is found on the Sony UHD discs and see that +8 is about right. It's possible is some setups that +7 or +9 might be better.

This is being called a "gamma" issue by some. I suppose luminance tone mapping will be what Oppo improves in this space.

This might also be related to the banding some people are reporting when using Strip Meta Data.

I'm using the beta firmware, into a JVC RS500, with a REC2020 profile, with Strip Meta Data enabled on the Oppo, and MAYBE I could see some banding in the opening titles (before any film content, just the studio info screens) in the Revenant UHD, and maybe I saw some on a fade-to-black sequence.

I'm guessing these are related to the thing causing us to need to choose +8 brightness on the Oppo video settings and that once that is fixed, banding we see will simply be in the source. The JVC has a 12 bit signal path and a 12 bit panel, so with a clean source, banding should not be something one experiences even a hint of.
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Beta applied to UK model.

I think there's still stutter:
2nd disc of the last in the Hobbit 3d extended edition. Battle of five armies.
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11:47 (just as Bofur dwarf rides in with his giant)
13:17 -20 ish (just as Balin says goodbye, is when Dwalin reaches out but cannot recall if first or second reach)
15:13 (just as Gandalf tightens the crystal on his staff)

Rewinding and replay no stutter. Eject and again=Stutter. Looks like it jumps to a key-frame but pauses for a moment on the one it is showing

I wonder if they only fixed non 3d.

Can someone confirm they see this? Perhaps someone with a leodar device can confirm actual frame rate?

Also posted in the UK site.

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Hi again.

X-men apocalypse 3d has stutter even on latest beta. Most obvious occurance at 00:01:30 (just as the music chimes in as the camera just about begins to see over the pyramid. Also obvious at 00:02:40 (just before the scene cuts from the Egyptian pharaohs waking down the stairs to the brief cut to look at the chap before cutting again to the one who who takes off his mask, there's a stutter just before the camera angle changes after the stairs.)

After that I gave up and put the film on my ps4 instead knowing it'll do this throughout the film.

If someone could please confirm the specific scenes please and then we'll get this reported.
Please note rewinding to look again will NOT show that specific issue again in that specific scene, it needs to be from a fresh play which is why I'm only giving examples at the beginning of the film. However it occurs at the same place every time with each fresh play.

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I guess you dont consider multiple issues during a 30 day return window reason enough to actually communicate with a manufacturer and ask them for a grace period before you decide to give up on their product.. but you know what? I do.

Why you would even post your comment I am not sure, but its borderline disrespectful.
Oppo's a company worth giving the benefit of loyalty too. I trust their commitment to their customers. People, we need to remember that we're dealing with a whole new ballgame here. I will say that the sound from films on my 203 is spectacular. Also, 1080P Blu rays that are up scaled to the Epson 5040 have been spectacular as well. Sometimes a really great piece of gear will flesh out bad source material or weaknesses somewhere else in your signal chain. I spent decades in the High end audio business and a highly resolving system is much harder to tweak and tame than a of the shelf system. But, when the gear breaks in and you've tweaked your entire system, the hair on the back of your neck will stand on end from disbelief. I was getting adrenaline rushes viewing and listening to the sound from Deadpool UHD/HDR. It was outstanding. I was literally cheering.
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I see what you mean now. I have attached screen shots before and after so you can also see that the before zoom has pixels on the Oppo that are much smaller too. The first one is max zoom, and the 2nd one is as you posted.
Here is a 1600 percent zoomed in comparison of the pixels in PS. LG upscaling on the left, Oppo on the right:
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The banding was also noticeable in the opening of Bourne, when the Universal log and planet move around, had never seen it on any of their titles before. And you could be right as to why were are seeing banding.
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Hi again.

X-men apocalypse 3d has stutter even on latest beta. Most obvious occurance at 00:01:30 (just as the music chimes in as the camera just about begins to see over the pyramid. Also obvious at 00:02:40 (just before the scene cuts from the Egyptian pharaohs waking down the stairs to the brief cut to look at the chap before cutting again to the one who who takes off his mask, there's a stutter just before the camera angle changes after the stairs.)

After that I gave up and put the film on my ps4 instead knowing it'll do this throughout the film.

If someone could please confirm the specific scenes please and then we'll get this reported.
Please note rewinding to look again will NOT show that specific issue again in that specific scene, it needs to be from a fresh play which is why I'm only giving examples at the beginning of the film. However it occurs at the same place every time with each fresh play.

Chris
What refresh rate is used by UK 3d BD?
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I guess you dont consider multiple issues during a 30 day return window reason enough to actually communicate with a manufacturer and ask them for a grace period before you decide to give up on their product.. but you know what? I do.

Why you would even post your comment I am not sure, but its borderline disrespectful.
No disrespect from anyone intended I'm sure but how many companies even include a HDMI cable anymore?
Have you had freezes since updating the firmware to 1229b? If you do then I don't blame you for trying to extend your return window. You may have a defective player. I'm sure OPPO will work with you if you let them know.
Hope it works out for you but if not the option is still open to return. You can always jump back in later when things get put in order. If you decide to wait it out I can almost guarantee you will be rewarded with a top performing UHD player.
You really can't lose either way.
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I think what you're seeing here is an attempt by the Oppo to use a proper bicubic scaling algorithm versus the LG which is just doubling each HD pixel to a 2x2 pixel UHD image. The latter will give a coarser result basically identical to HD resolution whereas the former should appear more pleasing and natural on real pictures.
Is this true? If so which would be consider ideal?

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That is exactly what i found when i first got the Oppo203 , i found the images "softer , less focused" to what i was used to even compared to images from Upscaled Bluray on my Pioneer BDP-LX88.

I got the Panasonic UB900 and the image is much shaper/focused than the Oppo 203.....i still have the 203 , but it,s now relegated to storage ...

Many people tell me that this is not the case, cant be true....but none had BOTH in their system to try side by side..
Did you noticed that UHD was sharper also? Or just regular blu-rays? I didn't notice much if any with a UHD test pattern.

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You aren't understanding the difference between the two images. The oppo is the better image. The other is not an upscale at all, it's just 1080p.

I'm currious what the sharpness dial does to that pattern.
I don't get what you mean by, "The other is not an upscale at all, it's just 1080p."

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I see what you mean now. I have attached screen shots before and after so you can also see that the before zoom has pixels on the Oppo that are much smaller too. The first one is max zoom, and the 2nd one is as you posted.
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The pixels looks the same size to me when zoomed in, as they should since they are both the same TV. The difference is in one the LG is doing the upscaling itself, in the other the Oppo is doing the upscaling.

Dave

Yes same pixel size but different overall representation of the image as a whole. Now the question is which is more accurate?

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The banding was also noticeable in the opening of Bourne, when the Universal log and planet move around, had never seen it on any of their titles before. And you could be right as to why were are seeing banding.
Just when watching Bourne in SDSR2020? Or even when watch Bourne in HDR2020?
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Is this true? If so which would be consider ideal?



Did you noticed that UHD was sharper also? Or just regular blu-rays? I didn't notice much if any with a UHD test pattern.



I don't get what you mean by, "The other is not an upscale at all, it's just 1080p."
Yes, UHD on the UB900 is sharper than UHD on the Oppo .. Upscaled Bluray on the LX88 is also sharper than the 203. This is on a JVC DLA-X7000 with a 143" scope screen..

If Oppo were to add some type of Enhancing/Sharpening tools as per the UB900 , it may put the Oppo on the same level as the Panasonic. As it is , the UB900 has a far cleaner looking picture.
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You young guys must have amazing sight. I'm a old 51 year old and when I go back and forth I really can't see anything. I am just going to keep letting to lg do its thing

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Yes, UHD on the UB900 is sharper than UHD on the Oppo .. Upscaled Bluray on the LX88 is also sharper than the 203. This is on a JVC DLA-X7000 with a 143" scope screen..

If Oppo were to add some type of Enhancing/Sharpening tools as per the UB900 , it may put the Oppo on the same level as the Panasonic. As it is , the UB900 has a far cleaner looking picture.
Have you tried to put the Oppo in source direct?

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You young guys must have amazing sight. I'm a old 51 year old and when I go back and forth I really can't see anything. I am just going to keep letting to lg do its thing

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lol 51 is not that old With test patterns it makes it easier to see. On regular content, not so much.

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Yes, UHD on the UB900 is sharper than UHD on the Oppo .. Upscaled Bluray on the LX88 is also sharper than the 203. This is on a JVC DLA-X7000 with a 143" scope screen..

If Oppo were to add some type of Enhancing/Sharpening tools as per the UB900 , it may put the Oppo on the same level as the Panasonic. As it is , the UB900 has a far cleaner looking picture.
Sounds like you should stick with your 900 and LX88. Seriously if the 900 has a far better picture why do you still have the 203? If you think the 203 needs a boost to sharpening then you are probably better served by the 900.

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Just put life of pi in and all I'm getting is a green screen. This is a first and have used the 203 twice since installing 1229 firmware. Any suggestions?
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Just put life of pi in and all I'm getting is a green screen. This is a first and have used the 203 twice since installing 1229 firmware. Any suggestions?
Have tried it just once? Power off and on again? TV first, player last?

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Ok so the big question to me is.. Is there a difference when playing an UHD dvd movie vs streaming a 4k movie.. Is the difference noticeable?
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Ok so the big question to me is.. Is there a difference when playing an UHD dvd movie vs streaming a 4k movie.. Is the difference noticeable?


IMO yes, it's a big difference.

But what's more important, to me, is the audio.

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Ok so the big question to me is.. Is there a difference when playing an UHD dvd movie vs streaming a 4k movie.. Is the difference noticeable?
Especially if your one of the people with an HDR capable display. Its pure eye candy on some of the latest TV's and projectors.
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It is interesting that with the beta firmware on the Oppo, I am not seeing the old lit up "deep color" note on the JVC RS500 info screen. It is, instead, grayed out, when running in rec2020, meta-data-stripped mode. Note that "grayed out" on the JVC doesn't necessarily mean "not present". For example, when HDR is not present, the words are literally not displayed at all -- not just grayed out.

This is different from what the JVC displayed on the old production Oppo firmware, where the color info on the JVC info screen used to have a highlighted color info entry. (My memory is bad but I want to say it indicated 12 bit deep color. I could be remembering wrong.)
With my JVC X7000/RS500 the only time the Colour Space bit rate is displayed in the Information tab is when I have the JVC input set to 4:4:4 ( ie NOT Auto and 4:4:2). Unfortunately, due to cabling issues, to get 4:4:4 out of the Oppo I need to be in Source Direct and have the movie playing ( ie it shows a black screen for the UHD 50hz Menu screen if I'm in Custom).
Since the Picture Adjustment options don't work in Source Direct, I'm prepared to sacrifice not knowing what my bit rate is so I can use Custom.
YMMV.
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As a owner of a OPPO-103 who is considering a purchase of an OPPO-203, does anyone recommend keeping the 103 for Bluray playback and using the 203 for UHD only?

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I've never heard of a Cinavia error on a commercial DVD. Are you sure someone didn't slip you a pirated copy?

What was the title?

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Nope Title is The secret life of pets, here are the pics. BTW please don't waste my time with questioning what I am doing wrong. I will reach out to Oppo to determine if the issue is on my endClick image for larger version

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ID:	1881393. Just be aware there are issues with this player if you wish to spend your hard earned money on it at this time.
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BTW please don't waste my time with questioning what I am doing wrong
Noted. It's good you said please.

I would be curious to know if the data side has a violet hue.

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Just put life of pi in and all I'm getting is a green screen. This is a first and have used the 203 twice since installing 1229 firmware. Any suggestions?
Have tried it just once? Power off and on again? TV first, player last?

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Shutdown pj and oppo and restarted both. All is well now. Thank you!
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Noted. It's good you said please.

I would be curious to know if the data side has a violet hue.

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This disc seems to be in good shape. Click image for larger version

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