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post #7291 of 36912 Old 01-11-2017, 10:16 AM
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Thats a very surprising statement that I've never heard before... Xbox 1S outperforming the Oppo 203 with UHD HDR? Wow...

I've seen a few people make a comparison of Xbox1S to the Sammy player (both under-performers compared to Oppo and Panny) and Oppo only to Panasonic UB900 but if Xbox is surpassing the Oppo for twice the price, that is indeed sad for Oppo.
You can't take anecdotal opinions as gospel when it comes to AV gear. I say this as someone who owns both Xbox S and Oppo 203 who has done comparisons. I cannot speak to the other users equipment, settings on TV/player, but my experience has been the Oppo and Xbox S are very close (I saw no advantage for either player) in terms of UHD/HDR playback and the Oppo looked slightly better for Blu-Ray playback (have not compared DVD yet).

I did go in and calibrate my input sources seperately on my TV and spend quite a bit of time tweaking the Oppo. So that is just my experience.
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I would agree about the comparisons. I own both and didn't notice a drastic difference in image quality either day, nor did I really look for one. I did have a lot more freezing and stuttering issues with Xbox, however.

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Ugh, I'm so torn between the UDP-203 and the UB900. This is my first dive into high-end playback equipment (always used consoles before), and I've been ready to make a purchase for weeks, but just can't decide between the two.
Do you own a Dolby Vision capable TV now or plan to in the near future? If the answer is yes I think the Oppo might make more sense. If the answer is no then it comes down to pros and cons. The Oppo seems to handle network playback of movies better, has SACD, etc support while the Panasonic seems to be more stable and supports streaming apps.

Pros and cons to both.
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I watched the Deepwater Horizon UHD HDR disk last night, too. Like you, I had a few audio dropouts during the film. Because I was so caught up in the film and because they were short and infrequent, though, I decided to ignore them. Otherwise, the Atmos soundtrack is among the best I have heard. I did not have any other trouble with the disk.
Watching Deepwater Horizon, I had one audio dropout at the beginning and two towards the end of the movie. With the John Wick Blu-ray, I'd always had a lip sync issue at the exact same point in the movie with my OPPO 103. The 203 eliminated that problem. I'm using a Denon 4300 receiver and an LG OLED65B6P.
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That's a curious result, but it is good that you can reproduce it easily. Makes it easier to investigate. Have you written this up for OPPO support? That would be much appreciated.

It sounds like the player is struggling with a java program on the disc, still running even when paused.

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No, as yet I haven't submitted a bug report to Oppo, but I will. I'll try my other UHD disc's tonight and see if any other produce the same result.


That's what I was thinking also, that it appears to be some sort of java issue, and it is reproducible using the Bourne Ultimatum disc.
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Thumbs down HYBRID SACD Will not play

I bought 4 Hybrid SACD disc. My Daughter & I each bought the "203". Took these disc over to her house & it would show "SACD" but could not get it to play. Just received my "203", and did the firmware update & first thing I did was try to play the Hybrid SACD. Same thing, nothing. I am only using Main HDMI out. Have a brand new Denon & OLED 65" 4K.
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You can't take anecdotal opinions as gospel when it comes to AV gear. I say this as someone who owns both Xbox S and Oppo 203 who has done comparisons. I cannot speak to the other users equipment, settings on TV/player, but my experience has been the Oppo and Xbox S are very close (I saw no advantage for either player) in terms of UHD/HDR playback and the Oppo looked slightly better for Blu-Ray playback (have not compared DVD yet).

I did go in and calibrate my input sources seperately on my TV and spend quite a bit of time tweaking the Oppo. So that is just my experience.
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I would agree about the comparisons. I own both and didn't notice a drastic difference in image quality either day, nor did I really look for one. I did have a lot more freezing and stuttering issues with Xbox, however.
Reason I was curious was I always thought Xbox1S was in league with the Sammy which has the "Chroma Bug" that doesn't even produce an accurate image to begin with and now hearing the Xbox coming close or identical to the Oppo is super unexpected (especially considering the price of the two UHD Players) Ofcourse the Oppo is loaded with premium features but at the end of the day its the PQ that really counts - for me at least.

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Oppo are aware of the problem, they told me a fix is coming in a future firmware update.

Also apparently pausing a movie for 3 minutes or more then resuming it can cause the picture to stutter and result in audio drop outs.
thanks for the info!

I'm really liking my 203, still own the 93 and love it, but for me, the DLNA streaming from my computer is so much easier and faster with the Oppo 203.

What few quirks I've experienced are certainly not enough to put me off the 203, I expect things will only get better.

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Do you own a Dolby Vision capable TV now or plan to in the near future? If the answer is yes I think the Oppo might make more sense. If the answer is no then it comes down to pros and cons. The Oppo seems to handle network playback of movies better, has SACD, etc support while the Panasonic seems to be more stable and supports streaming apps.

Pros and cons to both.
I don't own a Dolby Vision TV, and probably won't have one for at least a few years. The only thing I really want out of my player is the best PQ for both 4K UHD and standard blu-rays, stability, fast loading speeds, fast menu responsiveness, and quietness.

I don't care about network playback, or streaming, or SACD, or anything else like that.

Build quality, level of extended support, and ability to retain value (if I were to ever resell) are also important.
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Ok, here it is:

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=12961

I'm running it through my Yamaha 3060 using the supplied Oppo cable from the 203 to the Yamaha, and then the above 40' monoprice cord to the Epson 5040 and getting 12 bit 4:2:2. The Epson won't do 4:4:4, so no cord would do better than this as far as I know.
Ok, so this cable is good for 10.2G.
I forgot that the 5040 was limited to that speed, I thought you found a 40' passive cable that passed 18G, and THAT would have been the 1st I've seen.
O well.

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I don't own a Dolby Vision TV, and probably won't have one for at least a few years. The only thing I really want out of my player is the best PQ for both 4K UHD and standard blu-rays, stability, fast loading speeds, fast menu responsiveness, and quietness.

I don't care about network playback, or streaming, or SACD, or anything else like that.

Build quality, level of extended support, and ability to retain value (if I were to ever resell) are also important.
If I am being honest and you want to buy right now the Panasonic player might be a better fit. In a few months that will probably change as Oppo continues to work out bugs and improve the features and functionality of the 203. Can't help you with resale value but historically it does not get much better than Oppo.

If you can wait there are a number of new players hitting the market between now and summer and you will have lots more options and price points.
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I bought 4 Hybrid SACD disc. My Daughter & I each bought the "203". Took these disc over to her house & it would show "SACD" but could not get it to play. Just received my "203", and did the firmware update & first thing I did was try to play the Hybrid SACD. Same thing, nothing. I am only using Main HDMI out. Have a brand new Denon & OLED 65" 4K.
The second disc I tried in my 203 was an SACD (which has CD / 2 ch SACD / multi channel SACD layers in it). I only tried the multi channel but it played well. You might want to check how you output your SACD (either DSD or as MC PCM) and Audio output settings according to the capabilities of your AVR. Refer manual pages 56-58.
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Thanks, Steve. Darn if I didn't completely overlook that the first time around!

I was also planning on keeping all settings on auto to start with and then tinkering from there if necessary; it's good to hear you verify that auto was working for you since our current setups are so similar.

Since you have confirmed that it works, I think I may try the one-cable connection first (just for the convenience of retaining the AVR graphic overlay)--at least until I upgrade my display. I'm also not a fan of 3D, but we do use it very occasionally and I will plan to test this out as well.

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Oppo has extended my return window "until they fix the input issue" They assure me it will be in less than the 2-year warranty, but possibly not 90 days which was the initial extension.
What input issue would that be?
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Probably the lip sync issue with the HDMI Input on the 203.

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What input issue would that be?
BDP-93 input to the HDMI in on the 203 only gives a black screen, HTPC, PS#, ROKU all work. Just not the OPPO BRP.
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Reason I was curious was I always thought Xbox1S was in league with the Sammy which has the "Chroma Bug" that doesn't even produce an accurate image to begin with and now hearing the Xbox coming close or identical to the Oppo is super unexpected (especially considering the price of the two UHD Players) Ofcourse the Oppo is loaded with premium features but at the end of the day its the PQ that really counts - for me at least.
Like I said, I didn't pay a lot of attention to comparisons but perhaps I will .. for science.

I was just so relieved to be using a more stable player (the 203) that I didn't look back.

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Sir; Owned the Panasonic ub 900 for 3wks, before my purchase of the 203. IMO, the Panny was sharper & more accurate. Thanks
So are you still keeping the OPPO 203? or going back to the Panny ub900
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Reason I was curious was I always thought Xbox1S was in league with the Sammy which has the "Chroma Bug" that doesn't even produce an accurate image to begin with and now hearing the Xbox coming close or identical to the Oppo is super unexpected (especially considering the price of the two UHD Players) Ofcourse the Oppo is loaded with premium features but at the end of the day its the PQ that really counts - for me at least.
Honestly, I doubt there will be much variance at all between UHD players doing straight 4K/UHD/HDR playback as long as they process video properly. To your point when you buy something like an Oppo or premium player it is more for all the features, SACD, network playback, build quality, support, upconverting, etc.
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The problem with the Oppo is not PQ IMO, its disc playback issues. What's the point of a disc spinner that cant spin discs reliably? Sure, its built well... Whooopeee on that one.

I got this from Oppo:

Yes, we will be making enhancements to the player's error correction through firmware releases, and it will likely be several releases before we can tamp down on most of the disc reading errors that our customers are reporting.
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Hey all, my unit arrived yesterday and I did some test last night. Everything checks out!

First thing I did was to update the FW via USB to the latest public Beta. I did an erase / factory reset and rebooted the player just after that.

My 203 is connected to my Marantz SR6011, single HDMI main out, and AVR to TV (Samsung JS8500). All Audioquest 6 foot or less cables.

The Oppo is set to Out put Custom and Custom to UHD Auto. Everything else is Auto.

I played "The Shallows" and "Magnificent 7" UHDs both for an hour and they both played well without any issues. There were no dropouts, judders or anything I could see. I had to adjust the output video fine tuning (brightness/contrast etc) to bring the picture to my taste, but after that the PQ looks really good.

The Atmos sound track on both movies sounded wonderful. It was as if it got a new life (far better than my previous Sony BDP).

Then I tried a multi channel SACD, it played well without any issues. I used the same single HDMI to my AVR and sent it as DSD.

I connected my HTPC JRiver media server to Oppo (network push) and played many files including stereo and multi channel DSDs, flacs, m4a etc and they all played well.

Never got any blank screen or menu issues either. All in all everything looks fine.
Did you connect your HTPC to the HDMI input of the OPPO 203?
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The problem with the Oppo is not PQ IMO, its disc playback issues. What's the point of a disc spinner that cant spin discs reliably? Sure, its built well... Whooopeee on that one.

I got this from Oppo:

Yes, we will be making enhancements to the player's error correction through firmware releases, and it will likely be several releases before we can tamp down on most of the disc reading errors that our customers are reporting.
Yeah if my Oppo was not able to play my movies consistently I would probably send back for refund or wait before I buy if stability is a concern.

The disc reading errors are just so random... Some people have consistent issues, some of us have little to no issues, and when there are issues you can't usually duplicate using the same movie at the same point..
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Did you connect your HTPC to the HDMI input of the OPPO 203?
No, my HTPC is directly connected to my TV. It is also directly connected to my 2 ch DAC/Amp system via USB. It has a second connection (used for audio only HDMI) to my AVR in case I need direct multi channel audio playback from HTPC.

In case of DLNA, the HTPC plays the files through a network push through the home network. My HTPC and Oppo are not directly connected via any HDMI. They see each other since HTPC has JRiver media server running and all capable devices in my home network (TV, AVR, Oppo etc) can see and stream files from the server or I can push the files from the JRiver (from PC UI) to any of these devices as well.

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For the record, this title uses a TL 100GB disc, which is rare and considerably more difficult to read. I'd recommend cleaning these before viewing as a matter of routine. It also has extended scenes with bit rates exceeding 100Mbps. I expect to see reportes of playback issues in a variety of players. Further, we have evidence that these discs are often out of spec or nearly so, making them even more difficult to read. Its one of the areas where Oppo is continuing to work to balance playback against drive noise and out of spec discs. They will get there.

I also suggest that if you have a disc that's just too problematic, you send it back for replacement and try a different one. They do vary.
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In case any one is wondering, I tried connecting the 203 directly to my TV avoiding the AVR in between. Obviously I couldn't see any difference in PQ against the one main connection only to AVRmethod. Adding the convenience of one cable and AVR menu/info screens, I returned to one main HDMI only to AVR.
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The problem with the Oppo is not PQ IMO, its disc playback issues. What's the point of a disc spinner that cant spin discs reliably? Sure, its built well... Whooopeee on that one.

I got this from Oppo:

Yes, we will be making enhancements to the player's error correction through firmware releases, and it will likely be several releases before we can tamp down on most of the disc reading errors that our customers are reporting.
Several? That's not good news.
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I bought 4 Hybrid SACD disc. My Daughter & I each bought the "203". Took these disc over to her house & it would show "SACD" but could not get it to play. Just received my "203", and did the firmware update & first thing I did was try to play the Hybrid SACD. Same thing, nothing. I am only using Main HDMI out. Have a brand new Denon & OLED 65" 4K.
Several people, including me, had problems with SACDs with the FW that came with the 203. There was a temporary fix for issues, but since then there has been a beta FW that fixed the problem I suggest you install the beta FW from the OPPO site.
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Curious if anyone else is experiencing this problem. I have my 203 on my av stand shelf and my powered center channel on top shelf. Every time there is a scene with a lot of lfe, my player studders. Video and audio freeze up for a second. This only happens if my volume is up past -14. I've wiped the discs, have the most current firmware and all the discs play on my Samsung with no problem. Any suggestions?

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While I do not have the problem, I expected it could be and issue and used some big "Isolate It!" rubber bumpers on my center channel speaker, and they do a nice job of not transferring vibrations to the AV stand.

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I have Deepwater Horizon arriving tomorrow from Amazon. What is the best way to clean the disc before I play it? I have some cleaning cloths that came wth my 3D glasses, would that be ok or would a wet clean be appropriate. Thank you.
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