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post #7531 of 37235 Old 01-13-2017, 10:03 AM
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I, like others have reported in the past few hours, had a freeze last night. About 5 or 6 minutes into my Pride and Prejudice and Zombies UHD HDR disk last night, the screen went dark and my 203 would not respond to commands from the remote. It also wouldn't respond when I pressed the Eject button on the unit itself. I finally managed to clear the fault by repeatedly pressing the On/Off button until the unit turned off. I then restarted it, ejected the disk, reinserted it, and restarted the film. This time the disk played perfectly in all respects all the way to the end. Go figure. I didn’t bother to clean the disk because this was the second time I had watched this film. It had played perfectly the first time. Sigh, Oppo still has a lot of work to do.

The silver lining in the unfortunateness described above is that the film looked and sounded great!
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While Disc Read Error Recovery is happening the player can't respond to normal playback controls because it is trying to find the next portion of the disc it can read.

If you want to power off the player instead of waiting, just press Power once on the Front Panel or Remote and be patient. There's a Power Off Failsafe timer that runs and if the player does not respond normally, after about 15 seconds the timer will force shutdown of the player, regardless. This works even if the player is Crashed. The next power up will be Energy Efficient (i.e., a full reboot) even if you have Network Standby set.
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I was going to respond that I don't think repeated pressing of the remote power button is a solution. Or of Power on the box. What is needed is a little time and patience for the OPPO to catch up. Bob intervened and confirmed that and provided an actual technical rationale. Thank you, Bob!

My advice was simply from the experience of pressing the remote Power and then getting up, crossing the room to press the box Power only to have the 203 power off as I got there. Similarly, pressing the box power and not getting a response so finally reaching back for the power cord only to have the OPPO power off first. Clearly there is a delay involved. Now Bob has explained to me what that delay involves.

So the general advice is -- be patient -- wait for the power down.
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Thanks. I incorrectly thought all since 4K disks are 24Hz that changing the setting wouldn't matter.

Hmm am I wrong about all 4K disks being 24Hz?
The output setting doesn't really have anything to do with the content. For example, I have a 2160p, 60Hz, 10-bit monitor. If using the OPPO with that monitor I would want to set that as my output regardless of whether the content is 24 Hz, 8-bit, or 1080p. The display will only do 60 Hz. The OPPO menu will be in whatever output you set even if you don't play a disc. Therefore, you don't need to even play anything to test an output resolution.

The UHD Blu-ray specification allows for 60 Hz. As far as I can tell, all releases so far have been 24 Hz. Like most Blu-ray concerts, perhaps UHD concerts will be at 60 Hz.

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Will wait for Oppo to get a better unit and JVC to get a better 4K Projector.
JVC's new projectors will be released at the end of this month or beginning of February. The RS400/500/600 switch to gamma D, but not to a HDR user profile that includes the BT.2020 color space. The new RS420/RS520/RS620 will automatically switch to an HDR user profile.

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The only post I can recall by CLAWS on this was referring to HDR Strip Metadata in the 1229B firmware.

The release notes for 1229B state explicitly that a known problem with this Public Beta firmware is that if you engage HDR Strip Metadata you will need to raise Black levels -- either in the player or in the Display. This is, of course, a temporary problem -- specific to this firmware.

If you've found some OTHER problem with black levels for HDR -- that is, when Strip Metadata is NOT in use -- as far as I can recall you are the first person in this thread to report same for the 1229B firmware.

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Bob, I think he's referring to Post 7360 in this thread, if that helps?

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Bob, I think he's referring to Post 7360 in this thread, if that helps?
Thanks, that's helpful. I see now that his last part of that post *WAS* with respect to HDR output (not SDR).

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CLAW, based on what you've seen with normal HDR output to your JVC with the 1229B Public Beta firmware, do you have reason to believe the 203 is clipping blacks for normal, HDR output -- i.e., with HDR Auto or HDR On set? From your write up, it sounds like you were just doing the normal adjustments in the JVC to establish its HDR picture mode and BT2020 profile.

With my LG E6, I've certainly seen no indications there's anything improper going out for black levels with normal UHD/HDR+BT2020 output from the 203.

Using the HDR Standard picture mode in the LG E6, and with all video processing disabled, I found I had to lower Contrast substantially (from the default 100 down to 87) since otherwise the panel was way too bright for comfortable viewing in a darkened room. And in compensation I also raised Brightness a couple steps (from default 50 to 52) -- but that's nothing out of the ordinary for EITHER of those settings compared to what I'm finding works for calibration of normal, non-HDR content.

The Picture Adjustments in the 203 itself are all left at the Factory Default (0) values.
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I was going to respond that I don't think repeated pressing of the remote power button is a solution. Or of Power on the box. What is needed is a little time and patience for the OPPO to catch up. Bob intervened and confirmed that and provided an actual technical rationale. Thank you, Bob!

My advice was simply from the experience of pressing the remote Power and then getting up, crossing the room to press the box Power only to have the 203 power off as I got there. Similarly, pressing the box power and not getting a response so finally reaching back for the power cord only to have the OPPO power off first. Clearly there is a delay involved. Now Bob has explained to me what that delay involves.

So the general advice is -- be patient -- wait for the power down.
Yeah, I understood when I was pushing the On/Off button on the unit that I was probably either wasting my time or just giving myself something to do with my hands while waiting to learn whether the player would eventually turn itself off. Now I'm waiting to see where the next glitch arises.

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Thanks, that's helpful. I see now that his last part of that post *WAS* with respect to HDR output (not SDR).

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CLAW, based on what you've seen with normal HDR output to your JVC with the 1229B Public Beta firmware, do you have reason to believe the 203 is clipping blacks for normal, HDR output -- i.e., with HDR Auto or HDR On set? From your write up, it sounds like you were just doing the normal adjustments in the JVC to establish its HDR picture mode and BT2020 profile.

With my LG E6, I've certainly seen no indications there's anything improper going out for black levels with normal UHD/HDR+BT2020 output from the 203.

Using the HDR Standard picture mode in the LG E6, and with all video processing disabled, I found I had to lower Contrast substantially (from the default 100 down to 87) since otherwise the panel was way too bright for comfortable viewing in a darkened room. And in compensation I also raised Brightness a couple steps (from default 50 to 52) -- but that's nothing out of the ordinary for EITHER of those settings compared to what I'm finding works for calibration of normal, non-HDR content.

The Picture Adjustments in the 203 itself are all left at the Factory Default (0) values.
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Yes, I would consider what I did to be typical adjustments for HDR with the JVC projector. I did make the contrast and brightness adjustments in the Oppo instead of the JVC. I could have performed them in the JVC instead but chose otherwise. I had to do the same for the Samsung player. I will leave it to others to determine whether the Oppo has black clipping issues or not.

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Is anyone here using their 203 with a Sonos Playbar?
Since the Playbar only has a single optical input, it can't handle anything other than PCM or Dolby Digital 5.1 (a huge oversight IMHO).
I'm trying to confirm if the 203 is able to downmix DTS and Atmos audio to Dolby Dogital 5.1?

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Is anyone here using their 203 with a Sonos Playbar?
Since the Playbar only has a single optical input, it can't handle anything other than PCM or Dolby Digital 5.1 (a huge oversight IMHO).
I'm trying to confirm if the 203 is able to downmix DTS and Atmos audio to Dolby Dogital 5.1?

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Not quite. DTS-HD MA and DTS-HD HR tracks will go out on Optical as traditional, lossy, DTS 5.1. Any traditional, lossy DTS track you select will go out as itself. There is no option to convert any of those to DD 5.1 for output.

Dolby TrueHD tracks (which includes Atmos tracks) will go out on Optical as traditional, lossy DD 5.1

Basically, what you are getting in both cases is the "compatibility" track which is always included on the disc along with the high bit-rate, lossless track.

My understanding is that Samsung's UHD player does have an option to convert to DD 5.1 so that may be a better option for you if you are committed to continuing with that limited-functionality soundbar.
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jmf966, I just came across this post and was hoping you could provide some more info. How do you get PGS subs to show up on your Oppo's from MKV files played via DLNA? I have over 500 lossless Blu-ray rips in MKV format and the PGS subtitles have never played for me on either of my BDP-103D's using Plex as the DLNA client. Text based subtitles formats like .SRT are fine, but image based ones like PGS don't play for me (I've read that they play with local storage like USB, or via SMB shares, but that is meaningless to me).

Can you let me know what DLNA server you are using and how you rip your MKV files? I'm hoping I've been missing something that will allow this to work for me.

Finally, I'm assuming the issue reported here with the 203 and PGS subs is the same one that has existed on previous players when trying to play them via DLNA. If this was fixed on the 203, that feature alone would make it worthwhile for me to pick one up.


I'm using MakeMKV to rip the BR discs. Nothing done to the file afterwards. I use JRiver Media Center which runs on my media server and acts as a DLNA server as well. It's presenting the stream untouched. Maybe Plex is transcoding it first for you. Forced subtitles don't work properly over DLNA or locally though, which is why I typically use my JRiver client HTPC. The Oppo is just for spinning plastic.
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I can also test this later today. PGS subtitles work over SMB but I can't remember trying them with DLNA.

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Thanks, Bill. If you see this working on any Oppo player I would be very interested. The weird thing is PGS subtitles work within the Plex Web App. Given it works there, I can't understand why it doesn't work on my Oppo's.

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I'm using MakeMKV to rip the BR discs. Nothing done to the file afterwards. I use JRiver Media Center which runs on my media server and acts as a DLNA server as well. It's presenting the stream untouched. Maybe Plex is transcoding it first for you. Forced subtitles don't work properly over DLNA or locally though, which is why I typically use my JRiver client HTPC. The Oppo is just for spinning plastic.
Thanks, jmf866. I also use MakeMKV so everything is the same up to that point. The main difference here is you are using JRiver (which I actually use for music in my house) whereas I'm using Plex for the DLNA server. I'm pretty sure my streams are being sent without being transcoded as I have a fairly powerful Dual Xeon CPU on the server and I'm running on a strong network. That said, I'm going to try a test with JRiver as the DLNA server to see if I see a difference. If it works with JRiver as the DLNA server, and I already know it's working on the Plex Web App, then I have to think it's an issue with the Oppo playing PGS subtitles over a DLNA network.

If PGS subs were conformed as working with MKV files over a DLNA network on the 203 I'd run out an pick one up immediately as that's the biggest issue I have with my BDP-103D's. My playback is 90% MKV Blu-ray files and 10% spinning discs so this becomes an issue for any foreign movies with subs or movies with forced subs. My current workaround is download an SRT file and add it to the folder or embed it in the MKV file. With another 500 Blu-ray's to rip I'd prefer not to have to do this anymore.
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Folks, I'm trying to make sure that my projector is doing the right thing. I'm using a JVC RS400, with the OPPO set to Strip Metadata. My projector is set with the BT. 2020 color profile. I've got the OPPO set to auto on the color depth as well auto color spacing.

My projector is showing Yuv as the color space and deep color is grayed out. The projector doesn't tell me if I'm running in 8,10,or 12bit though the OPPO info menu shows output as either 10 or 12 bit depending on the source. Does this sound like what I should be seeing.

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Thanks, Bill. If you see this working on any Oppo player I would be very interested. The weird thing is PGS subtitles work within the Plex Web App. Given it works there, I can't understand why it doesn't work on my Oppo's.



Thanks, jmf866. I also use MakeMKV so everything is the same up to that point. The main difference here is you are using JRiver (which I actually use for music in my house) whereas I'm using Plex for the DLNA server. I'm pretty sure my streams are being sent without being transcoded as I have a fairly powerful Dual Xeon CPU on the server and I'm running on a strong network. That said, I'm going to try a test with JRiver as the DLNA server to see if I see a difference. If it works with JRiver as the DLNA server, and I already know it's working on the Plex Web App, then I have to think it's an issue with the Oppo playing PGS subtitles over a DLNA network.

If PGS subs were conformed as working with MKV files over a DLNA network on the 203 I'd run out an pick one up immediately as that's the biggest issue I have with my BDP-103D's. My playback is 90% MKV Blu-ray files and 10% spinning discs so this becomes an issue for any foreign movies with subs or movies with forced subs. My current workaround is download an SRT file and add it to the folder or embed it in the MKV file. With another 500 Blu-ray's to rip I'd prefer not to have to do this anymore.
Using minidlna for testing I'm getting PGS subtitles on both the 103D and the 203. I wonder if Plex has some sort of profile that delivers different goods to different devices?

I do find that the 203 does not see MKV chapters over DLNA and the 103D does. I'll report that.

SMB also works for both players, no trouble with subtitles or chapters.

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JVC's new projectors will be released at the end of this month or beginning of February. The RS400/500/600 switch to gamma D, but not to a HDR user profile that includes the BT.2020 color space. The new RS420/RS520/RS620 will automatically switch to an HDR user profile.
so are you saying the new pj will already have the BT2020 software installed? Reason I ask is because me trying to install that is dangerous. I might sell my 40 hour rs 400 and buy the 420
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so are you saying the new pj will already have the BT2020 software installed? Reason I ask is because me trying to install that is dangerous. I might sell my 40 hour rs 400 and buy the 420
The currently shipping RS400's also have the BT.2020 color profile installed. However, you need to manually select it each time. The RS420's will be more automatic for HDR.

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HDR is not plug-and-play with the JVC projectors. The projector will auto-switch to Gamma D, but you need to adjust the Gamma D settings and also import a BT.2020 color profile if you have an early manufactured unit that does not have the profile preloaded. See this JVC link for instructions for viewing HDR:

http://www3.jvckenwood.com/english/d...rs400_uhd.html

Even after the projector is configured with the JVC recommended settings for HDR, some of us are finding that contrast and brightness may still need some tweaking using the R.Masciola HDR 10 test patterns.
so with this new 2020 is your picture nice and bright like a 1080p movie? Can you tell any difference between it and 4k?
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Does everyone recommend using the new public firmware update? Has it proven to be helpful and not buggy? Thank you for your replies!
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I'm not sure if I should post this here or on the JVC RS500 thread but thought I would start here --- and there.

I purchased and downloaded R Masciola's HDR10 files to calibrate my RS500. I placed the files on a thumb drive (Oppo 203), placed it in the front USB slot of the 203 and the Oppo basically becomes inoperative (and no image on the screen) at that point and will not respond to any of my commands from the remote. Once I remove the thumb drive, it all works again.

Any ideas? The only information I got from the user manual on this issue was the possibility of an incompatible thumb drive.
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Is anyone here using their 203 with a Sonos Playbar?
Since the Playbar only has a single optical input, it can't handle anything other than PCM or Dolby Digital 5.1 (a huge oversight IMHO).
I'm trying to confirm if the 203 is able to downmix DTS and Atmos audio to Dolby Dogital 5.1?

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1- As Bob said, the 203 can output a Dolby Digital 5.1 bitstream via optical. It can also output 2 channel LPCM over optical but not 5.1 LPCM over optical.

2- Not all soundtracks are Dolby, there's also DTS and the Playbar cannot handle DTS bitstreams. That isn't because it only has a single optical input, it's because Sonos did not include a decoder for DTS soundtracks. There is no way of converting a DTS soundtrack to a Dolby Digital soundtrack that I am aware of so if you're trying to make up your mind about which UHD player to buy you should see if any of the other players can output 5.1 LPCM over optical. If they can, and if you're using your Playbar in conjunction with other Sonos speakers in a surround setup then you'd be better off choosing a player which can output 5.1 LPCM over optical.

3- If you're using the Playbar purely in stereo mode, with or without the sub, then you would be better off setting the 203's optical output to LPCM because then you would not have to worry about continually swapping the output setting between bitstream and LPCM depending on whether you're playing a Dolby or a DTS soundtrack.

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@claw and @Bob Pariseau : Really appreciate the explanation of why short HDMI cables can be as big a problem as "too long". Finally makes sense. My 18" BJC Series 1 was for exactly the reason cited by @DIP pel. But I was also looking at it through the old analog "shorter is better" lens. Bought 2 BJC 5' series FE when they were first available (knew BJC believed the series 1 would probably pass the signal), then 2 Monoprice 6' "just in case" when I needed to replace the 12' BJC series 1 with a 20' to the PJ. Now have the 6' Oppo-supplied cable. I'm really fixed up, but the back of the rack looks like a bowl of spaghetti with 9 balanced connectors, 4 RCA (all thankfully the shortest length possible), 13 speaker pairs, 3 HDMI cables and 6 power cords. 2 of the three HDMI cables are rack interconnects that are within 1.5'. I'm presuming that it would be better to let the extra length hang in a loop than to cable tie them into a circle? Perhaps a 5' cable would benefit from being in a circle as it would more closely approximate the losses of a straight 6'?

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So tried something different w/my settings for the 203 & my SonyX930D today. Went with source direct on the 203, made a few changes via the Sony HDR menu, & BOOM, prior issues with softness, clarity simply vanished! PQ now looks crisp, clear, & a picture we should all expect from 4K HDR discs. However, the zoom feature is lost when utilizing source direct (which I really like BTW)), but for now, that's OK. At least for my setup, it's made a real difference!
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I'm not sure if I should post this here or on the JVC RS500 thread but thought I would start here --- and there.

I purchased and downloaded R Masciola's HDR10 files to calibrate my RS500. I placed the files on a thumb drive (Oppo 203), placed it in the front USB slot of the 203 and the Oppo basically becomes inoperative (and no image on the screen) at that point and will not respond to any of my commands from the remote. Once I remove the thumb drive, it all works again.

Any ideas? The only information I got from the user manual on this issue was the possibility of an incompatible thumb drive.
Sure sounds like the thumb drive to me. What can you tell us about it?
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I'm on the new public beta. Watched Da Vinci code UHD 4K with HDR off. Way too dark. Watched the BluRay disc. Much brighter and frankly better picture. My .02
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So tried something different w/my settings for the 203 & my SonyX930D today. Went with source direct on the 203, made a few changes via the Sony HDR menu, & BOOM, prior issues with softness, clarity simply vanished! PQ now looks crisp, clear, & a picture we should all expect from 4K HDR discs. However, the zoom feature is lost when utilizing source direct (which I really like BTW)), but for now, that's OK. At least for my setup, it's made a real difference!
You just need to figure out what the TV is receiving that it likes so much and have the player explicitly send that. The player is sending UHD in both cases so you have some other setting that's the issue. Use the extended info display on the Oppo to see what's being sent.
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I'm on the new public beta. Watched Da Vinci code on 4K with HDR off. Way too dark. Watched the BluRay disc. Much brighter and frankly better picture. My .02
Did you mean HDR OFF or HDR Strip Metadata?

Assuming you meant Off as you wrote, I've seen a lot of reports of various HDR discs looking too dark when converted to SDR (on other players). My guess would be the studios aren't paying any attention to this legacy style playback of their new discs. Particularly since they force you to pay for the regular Blu-ray in the same package. But I don't recall seeing any reports on this specific disc.
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Do you have any idea when this will be available non-beta through firmware update via internet?
There will most likely be additional beta versions before we see a non-beta version. The nice thing with betas is that if you find an issue that's a showstopper for you, you can roll back to the last official, non-beta, release. You can't roll back the non-beta releases once you install them. As Bob said, it's highly recommended to use the 1229B release at this time as it's a HUGE improvement over the prior versions.
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