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post #8221 of 37542 Old 01-19-2017, 12:40 PM
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iPhone to USB

I think the answer is "no", but can I stream music apps from iPhone through USB to this Oppo?
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Ok i am getting 3840x2160 4:2:2 but is only 10 bit is this ok
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Ok i am getting 3840x2160 4:2:2 but is only 10 bit is this ok
Yes, that's fine. UHD discs are 10 bit, Blu-ray and DVD are 8 bit.

If you are in the mood to experiment you can try setting bit depth to 12 and see if it makes a perceptible difference. It's doubtful but some people like to fiddle with things.

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I thought this was a restriction being enforced by the BDA? If so, unlikely to change....people ripping their movies may have to look at a different container if wanting to playback on the 203.
Many of us are under the impression that the BDA is forcing this situation (disabling bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD on some media files, like MKV).

But after much searching I can find no actual documentation about it.

Maybe it's not a published requirement.
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Although you can see HDR content on your set. It wont take full advantage of what HDR is capable of. I can only imagine that it indeed makes your picture worse instead of worse. HDR really is made for Laser Projectors, OLED, LCD (with local dimming & high zone count).
Not really sure what do you mean, my TV is not the best on the market, but still really cappable of what you said (you can see reviews, in our country it is KS7000 = KS8000 in the USA).

My question was about different quality of picture with HDR ON from youtube and downloaded samples versus physical UHD BDs.
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Release date: January 19, 2017
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Main Version: UDP20X-33-1229
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MCU Version: MCU203-01-1118

Beta to Official. No other changes.
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Does any folk know how to determine the HEVC version
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You can use the Handbrake nightly build to do the conversion.

You might also try MediaInfo to view the properties. I've used it for years for more file details.

Also, the GSpot Codec Information Appliance is another useful tool in some situations. It hasn't been updated since 2007, but runs on all versions Windows including Windows 10. Another handy one to have in your toolbox.

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Many of us are under the impression that the BDA is forcing this situation (disabling bitstream output of Dolby TrueHD on some media files, like MKV).

But after much searching I can find no actual documentation about it.

Maybe it's not a published requirement.

I believe Dolby is the one forcing the BDA to enforce it. Kind of like the studios told the BDA to not allow .iso support.


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... Just an FYI ... ... I will probably get the Official for this but I saw a 203 Hardware Modified for All BD and DVD Regions on a website where I purchased a Modified 103D. The Modified 203 went for about 90 USD more then current retail pricing.
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Just getting it. Sad there is no fix to the 3D playback issues. Hopefully a new beta happening soon.

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There's probably been about 500 posts about the hardware mods. We allow it, because Oppo doesn't mind since it does not modify their firmware. They have even serviced them with the mod left installed and sent it back after repairs. We do not allow modifying manufacturer software.
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Does any folk know how to determine the HEVC version and how to convert it backto 5.0 / 5.1 for compatibility with the 203 player?
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MediaInfo set to 'text' mode will provide all the information you require

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There's probably been about 500 posts about the hardware mods. We allow it, because Oppo doesn't mind since it does not modify their firmware. They have even serviced them with the mod left installed and sent it back after repairs. We do not allow modifying manufacturer software.


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Just getting it. Sad there is no fix to the 3D playback issues. Hopefully a new beta happening soon.

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I agree, you'd think they would have added some additional basic fixes.
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Not really sure what do you mean, my TV is not the best on the market, but still really cappable of what you said (you can see reviews, in our country it is KS7000 = KS8000 in the USA).

My question was about different quality of picture with HDR ON from youtube and downloaded samples versus physical UHD BDs.
1- The bandwidth used by streaming sources is much lower than the bandwidth used by a signal from a UHD disc. Netflix recommend a 25Mbps connection for streaming 4K with HDR but the signal coming of a UHD disc can be over 100 Mbps at times and mostly more than 80 ir so Mbps. There's a lot more data coming off the disc. You will see a difference between streaming and disc playback.

2- HDR content uses the BT2020 colour space and has 10 bit colour depth in each channel. When you use the "HDR Off" setting (not the "Strip Metadata" setting), you convert the image to the BT709 colour space which is smaller and does not capture as many colours, and you reduce the colour bit depth to 8 bits which also has an impact. Normal BDs use the BT709 colour space and 8 bit colour depth but normal BDs are mastered for 1080p displays which have lower peak brighhtness capability than a UHD TV. Turning HDR Off may convert a 4K HDR image to the same specifications as a normal BD image but because of the differences in the way UHD and BD versions are mastered, the UHD version with HDR Off is not going to look the same as the BD.

So yes, there are differences and they should be visible.

When it comes to how you see those differences and which one looks better to you, a lot of that is down to your eyesight (not everyone has equally good eyesight or equally good colour perception), your screen and how accurately it renders the image (your settings can make a big difference, as can having your display professionally calibrated), and personal preferences. You see what you see with your TV, other people with different TVs may see something different, and different people viewing the same thing on the same TV at the same time can have different preferences for which version they prefer.

I haven't tried doing comparisons with HDR OFF because I like the way things look with HDR ON on my LG OLED.
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I agree, you'd think they would have added some additional basic fixes.
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Has anyone had any lip sync issues? I played the Lord of the rings trilogy on Blu-ray over the weekend and noticed the lip sync fell out by around a half a frame 23 or so ms or a frame by 46 ms by the looks of it. At the start of each move the sync was perfect.

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I occasionally get lip sync issues. I can't be sure that I've had any with BDs but I have had them with UHD discs and I think the majority of my UHD lip sync problems seem to have come with Sony titles after I have paused the movie but things are inconsistent.

Prior to the 203's release, I got bad lip sync problems after pausing "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon" with the Samsung player. I tried that movie on the 203 after I got it and deliberately paused the movie for a while and restarted. No problems. But I've recently had problems with "Inferno" and with "Resident Evil: Afterlife" which are also Sony titles.

I find stopping the movie, restarting, and fast forwarding to the point where I stopped the movie tends to fix the lip sync issue. I did try correcting it the other day by using the 203's lip sync adjustment and found that +30 ms seemed to fix it for me.

I don't think I've seen a lip sync issue develop over time, I can only recall it happening after I've paused a disc.

Something is going on but I'm unsure whether it's a problem with some discs or if it's a player problem, or a bit of both. If it's a player problem then it isn't unique to the 203 because I've seen it with the Samsung player. My AVR may be involved as well. It's a Marantz 6010 and I have its Auto Lip Sync setting turned on. I assume there's a new handshake forced when playback resumes after a pause and perhaps there's something going wrong in the handshake after the pause that causes things to get out of sync.
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Just getting it. Sad there is no fix to the 3D playback issues. Hopefully a new beta happening soon.

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"Soon"
Generally this is a good sign as it allows the engineers to move forward with additional firmware development while the dirty masses get to take advantage of current Beta Firmware. So I would expect to see something in two or three weeks, possibly sooner if OPPO sends out test firmware direct to individuals affected by specific issues (like they were doing with the 29-1212 firmware prior).
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Remove that last HDMI cable (TV ARC Input to AVR Input 2), you can not connect two inputs with each other!

Instead, connect the HDMI MAIN out from the Oppo to the TV ARC input. This way, the TV audio can travel from the TV via ARC to the Oppo into the MAIN HDMI (select HDMI ARC as the input on the Oppo), and then out via normal HDMI to the AVR from the HDMI AUDIO output of the Oppo.

Remember that ARC audio travels in the reverse direction, from an HDMI Input (at the TV) to and HDMI Output (at the Oppo).
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Sorry if this has already been talked about (as I haven't read the whole thread), but I'm wondering if I could get some opinions on using the 203 as a networked streamer via their app? My main 2ch setup is using a streamer, with a QNAP NAS running Asset upnp. In my second system I have a Cambridge streamer & just a cheap Blu-ray player, this setup has a tv & is where we watch most often but for audio listening, I don't want to have to turn on the tv. So does the 203 use the same app as the 103/105, how well does the app work? Is it responsive, does it have any issues with crashing, is it user friendly, etc (I mostly just browse my own music collection on my NAS)? It would be nice to have two units combined into one but the streaming app must work well for me to do so.
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I might have read this before but I can't find it. When devices are hooked to the HDMI input of the 203 is HDR not supported?

I picked up a shield TV and due to my AVR not having HDMI 2.0 and ARC not working properly I want to run the shield into the 203 to split the video and audio to maximize supposed formats.

The next thing I may try is to run the shield into the TV and use the HDM/ARC option on the 203 to run audio back to my AVR. I'm trying to avoid using optical so I get more audio formats......now I wish I waited a year to get my AVR so it would have HDMI 2.0 and I would not have to deal with this crap.

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I might have read this before but I can't find it. When devices are hooked to the HDMI input of the 203 is HDR not supported?
Correct. We hope for developments in the future, but don't know for sure.

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Sorry if this has already been talked about (as I haven't read the whole thread), but I'm wondering if I could get some opinions on using the 203 as a networked streamer via their app? My main 2ch setup is using a streamer, with a QNAP NAS running Asset upnp. In my second system I have a Cambridge streamer & just a cheap Blu-ray player, this setup has a tv & is where we watch most often but for audio listening, I don't want to have to turn on the tv. So does the 203 use the same app as the 103/105, how well does the app work? Is it responsive, does it have any issues with crashing, is it user friendly, etc (I mostly just browse my own music collection on my NAS)? It would be nice to have two units combined into one but the streaming app must work well for me to do so.

The existing App for the 103 kind of works for 90% of the functions of the 203. For audio playback, and navigating around, it's fine (not got the 103, so I assume same user experience).

But I understand the next few months will see the App for the 203 released. If unsure, and it's important, you should wait.

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Does this player pass Atmos soundtracks to AVR for streamed content (i.e. mkv files locally streamed from NAS)?
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Does this player pass Atmos soundtracks to AVR for streamed content (i.e. mkv files locally streamed from NAS)?
Not from MKV.

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Does this player pass Atmos soundtracks to AVR for streamed content (i.e. mkv files locally streamed from NAS)?
I have seen M2TS playing back Ok over NFS & SMB, and (iirc was Atmos) BDMV structure.

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Smile First impressions

First impressions after using the 203 for the last couple of days - excellent picture and saturation on video, and audio so far is on par with the 103D - UB900 might have had better audio section than the 203 but at this point, its pretty much irrelevant for me. Packaging is excellent and smart, and updating of the firmware went smoothly and I have so far had NO issues with any HD or regular BD. It plays 4k material very well and I do believe, after spending six weeks or so with a UB900, that it is a better image than the Panasonic. Having returned the panny (had on and off again challenges with the Vizio), I am now fully committed to the OPPO - I have enjoyed my 103D very much in the last two years but now I'll have to move the 103D upstairs since the new remote can actually operate both OPPO's - at the same time... Cables from OPPO work perfectly so far, and with the Anthem, I do not have to separate the video and audio. build quality is excellent and so far all functions do what they are supposed to do. Navigation is improved and faster, and so is the wired/wireless connections but it is too bad there is no way to test the speed of the connections - they are either enough or not so we'll trust OPPO on this one and our eyes! I do miss the more detailed screens that I could get on the file being played, audio or video, from the Panasonic - perhaps something OPPO should consider expanding in future releases. HDR material is quite impressive with material like Lucy, Pacific Rim and Oblivion - more to review and try out including casting from Netflix and Youtube. I am happy there is no app on the OPPO - I chose the Vizio in part because of their daring leap into casting and their belief, which I agree with fully, that app developers will focus on upgrading their platforms for broad operating systems like Win, iOS and Android so why settle for second rate apps from secondary vendors?

I have played a few titles and files and sometimes the Atmos is not being picked up by the Anthem but rather I get a Multi PCM message. I haven't determined if this is systemic or for particular files but if someone has had a similar problem, please let me know. I have been using Auto settings so far and will delve into more options once I have more time. If someone has the P75-C1 from Vizio paired with the 103, please let me know what you have discovered to be the best settings to date to get the most out of both. Full calibration of the Vizio will wait for more stable firmware but I am interested in sharing tweaks with someone who has similar setup.

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Remove that last HDMI cable (TV ARC Input to AVR Input 2), you can not connect two inputs with each other!

Instead, connect the HDMI MAIN out from the Oppo to the TV ARC input. This way, the TV audio can travel from the TV via ARC to the Oppo into the MAIN HDMI (select HDMI ARC as the input on the Oppo), and then out via normal HDMI to the AVR from the HDMI AUDIO output of the Oppo.

Remember that ARC audio travels in the reverse direction, from an HDMI Input (at the TV) to and HDMI Output (at the Oppo).
You Do Not Need (ARC) to TV and Back to the Oppo203, if you use the Oppo203 Audio Out to Your AVR.
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The only two changes I made to the defaults were changing resolution to UHD Auto, and HDMI Audio Format to bitstream.

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