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It is not amp to TV link because if I click on menu on the amp I get a menu over the top of the snow.

The TV has HDMI 4k reported but with snow baked into it.

The snow actually looks similar to the snow visible on the Hbo logo on the game of thrones blu ray, but without the logo.
I think you are describing what is known as "sparklies". They are usually artifacts of a substandard HDMI cable.
To really see for sure what your are seeing, an actual screenshot would help.
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I'm thinking based on all the posts about cables in this and other threads, CES 2018 will be a place to get noticed for vendors selling HDMI 2.1 cables they can prove handle the bandwidth at a distance. I don't recall any time in the past where cables were so important. Sure we've had snake oil salespeople telling how their $1,000 directional, mithril enhanced, gamma ray shielded cabled would make your turntable sound its best but we finally really NEED better cables. The 4K oppo and other devices seem to be needing better. I haven't had any issues with my 4 year old BJ cables but I figured they'd be good when I bought them. They weren't crazy expensive like the audioquest cables I used to buy but they seem to do the job.
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It's amazing how the Samsung which has been on the market for ages can get it right but the Oppo which has only just come out has issues.
Is that what you meant to say?
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... their $1,000 directional, mithril enhanced, gamma ray shielded cabled...
Mithril enhanced... I LOVE IT!


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Strange, I just finished watching Inferno right now and had no a/v issues at all. Smooth sailing.


I don't know I guess it's hit and miss

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It's almost as if one of the players has been out longer and is therefore using more mature firmware.


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I updated my firmware to new official fw and I popped in Batman vs Superman to see that it wouldnt need input changes for hdmi handshake renegotiation. All worked well along with Deepwater Horizon, the 2 films I had this issue (must be Warner Bros thing.)with prior to update as I was running original disc official firmware. Furst thing I noticed and for the very first time I got audio cutouts. I can confirm firmware has made this an issue as I have 13 UHD titles and Ive watched them all without any picture or sound hiccups until yesterday when I updated firmware! Also before you ask Ive watched Deepwater Horizon 3 times so I would remember if audio dropped at any point. Just want to throw it out there OFFICIAL FW UPDATE is still buggy!
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Is that what you meant to say?
Also I wouldnt say Samsung has been on market for ages! Its barely going on 9 months, thats just enough time for a baby to be born.

Could you imagine telling a mother your kid has been around for ages at only 9 months, hilarious hahaha thanks for the laugh ;-p

Woops this was meant for "Franin" sorry MacFunkin
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I'm thinking based on all the posts about cables in this and other threads, CES 2018 will be a place to get noticed for vendors selling HDMI 2.1 cables they can prove handle the bandwidth at a distance. I don't recall any time in the past where cables were so important. Sure we've had snake oil salespeople telling how their $1,000 directional, mithril enhanced, gamma ray shielded cabled would make your turntable sound its best but we finally really NEED better cables. The 4K oppo and other devices seem to be needing better. I haven't had any issues with my 4 year old BJ cables but I figured they'd be good when I bought them. They weren't crazy expensive like the audioquest cables I used to buy but they seem to do the job.
I'm more into the liquid adamantium cored nth metal cables with vibranium plated dilithium crystal connectors.

Eventually some chinese company is going to figure out a good active hdmi cable chip, and then it will all be gravy. I am curious what a 48gbps hdmi cable is gonna look like though, is optical in the spec? Or are they just expecting extremely fast transceivers?
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I used the Spears&Munsil audio sync test pattern, and I don't see any difference when I turn the 203's sync adjustment to its max or min values. So, from my perspective, the adjustment does not seem to be working.

If others are having a different experience, I am wondering how.
Personally I do not like the Spears and Munsil A/V sync pattern. The Disney World of Wonder (WoW) pattern is much easier to use as you can physically block out parts of the image to allow you to more easily concentrate on the sound blip. Makes pinpointing the exact frame much much easier than a rotating bar.
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Also I wouldnt say Samsung has been on market for ages! Its barely going on 9 months, thats just enough time for a baby to be born.



Could you imagine telling a mother your kid has been around for ages at only 9 months, hilarious hahaha thanks for the laugh ;-p



Woops this was meant for "Franin" sorry MacFunkin


I've only recently bought it (1/2 price ) , but 9 months even better.

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I thought I read somewhere that the 203 cannot currently display R. Masciola's UHD/HDR-10 Test Patterns via USB. Is that correct?
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I thought I read somewhere that the 203 cannot currently display R. Masciola's UHD/HDR-10 Test Patterns via USB. Is that correct?
No, I just bought that package and all the patterns work. I play them over both USB and SMB.

A problem with the suite as it is now is that all the tests are individual files, meaning access is browser-based. With my LG display, it switches into HDR mode when the file begins, then switches out when the file ends, which is when skipping to the next file or even repeating the current file.

This is inconvenient when you have the display setup menus up, because they switch with the HDR mode and it is too easy to mess up the non-HDR settings inadvertently.

This happens with many input devices; people on the thread were noting it before the OPPO was available.

The solution would be for the package to be available as an actual UHD video disc, which would stay in HDR mode throughout. I know from reading the thread this is planned, but there is no date that I have seen.

By the way: the author of the package and others on the thread say they are discussing HDR->SDR and Stripping Metadata transformations with the OPPO engineers.

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Is that what you meant to say?
I think he is being Sarcastic If not his quote makes no sense.

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I've only recently bought it (1/2 price ) , but 9 months even better.
Well, let's see how the Oppo is doing 9 months from now. I would expect that there will be several more firmware updates between now and then.
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In the large scheme of things this is a very small request for Oppo to place on a wish list with a future FW upgrade. I really do miss the background imgage for CD and music playback the 103D had. To me it had a more elegant / audio file vibe to it versus this aqua or whatever horrid color it is now.
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I think you either have a bad cable or something setup incorrectly.

I have the 45' version of the Monoprice Cabernet cable and it passes 4k(2160p)@24hz 4:4:4 12-bit for me without an issue.

I've also tested it up to 60hz, but not for any extended amounts of time-- really just to test if it would work. It did.

At one point I was having an HDMI handshake issue (i believe) with the Oppo and began to suspect the cable. However, I switched inputs on my AVR to my HTPC-- and it fired up right away [email protected] 444 12-bit.

I only use my theater room for movies (htpc for blu-ray / oppo for uhd) so I don't have much of a need for 60hz at the moment.
Interesting. I actually have two Cabernet of the same length and neither pass anything higher than 4:2:0....

But my question persists: does it matter? will my eyes be able to tell the difference between 4:2:0 and 4:4:4 if I can output 12 bit on both?
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Interesting. I actually have two Cabernet of the same length and neither pass anything higher than 4:2:0....

But my question persists: does it matter? will my eyes be able to tell the difference between 4:2:0 and 4:4:4 if I can output 12 bit on both?
Short answer: probably not.

Long answer: in depends on how the chroma upsampling is being done in the player vs in the display. The video starts as 4:2:0 on disc and has to get to 4:4:4 eventually. There is more than one way to do it. Different displays may do it differently.

The eye is not supposed to be sensitive to fine detail in color, but these days people claim to see all sorts of differences that shouldn't matter. A big topic.

Spears & Munsil have an article on using their calibration patterns to test the chroma upsampling behavior of your display chain. Their disc is 1080p; we need to do this again now with 2160p, BT2020 and HDR. We're waiting for new calibration discs to become available.

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I have the Monoprice Cabernet 35' cable, and I don't have any issues sending 4:2:2 / 12 bit to my projector, but that is 24Hz and not 60Hz.
My projector is limited on it's input and can't do the higher bandwidth combinations, but it's really not necessary to for me.

As for any cable that will allow 4k / 60Hz / 4:4:4 / 12 bit, you really only have one option that I know of,
and that is the HDMI optical cables, with the most popular brand being Celerity I think.

They are not cheap though, but probably around the same price you paid for the Monster cable.
I've always thought of Monster brand cables and accessories to be high quality, but also very overpriced.
If their cable is supposed to be Certified for UHD and it still doesn't work, that's kinda pathetic.
I would definitely recommend trying to get your money back fro both of those cables, since Monoprice is kind of
false advertising too since the cable doesn't do 4K/60/4:4:4/12b.
I literally purchased mine a couple of years ago and it happened to work out that it works with my Epson 5040.
The Monster ones are definitely going back, as I just bought them. The Cabernet ones I've had for over a year.

It's not that they don't pass UHD, because they can do 4:2:0 12 bit @ 4K/60, but they can't do 4:2:2 or 4:4:4.
Are you inferring that 4K/60/4:4:4/12b is UHD and anything less is not?
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Well, let's see how the Oppo is doing 9 months from now. I would expect that there will be several more firmware updates between now and then.


Of course there would be. Until then I will patiently wait.

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Short answer: probably not.

Long answer: in depends on how the chroma upsampling is being done in the player vs in the display. The video starts as 4:2:0 on disc and has to get to 4:4:4 eventually. There is more than one way to do it. Different displays may do it differently.

The eye is not supposed to be sensitive to fine detail in color, but these days people claim to see all sorts of differences that shouldn't matter. A big topic.

Spears & Munsil have an article on using their calibration patterns to test the chroma upsampling behavior of your display chain. Their disc is 1080p; we need to do this again now with 2160p, BT2020 and HDR. We're waiting for new calibration discs to become available.

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Ok, so I'm guessing with my JVC X750R (RS500) & Oppo 203 then it won't matter because my eye won't be able to see it.

That's a lot easier solution than re-fishing active optical HDMI cable just to go from 4:2:0 to 4:4:4.
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I ordered the Nvidia Shield for streaming. Does anyone have a Nvidia Shield connected to the Oppo? Does the Oppo have issues with it?
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The Monster ones are definitely going back, as I just bought them. The Cabernet ones I've had for over a year.

It's not that they don't pass UHD, because they can do 4:2:0 12 bit @ 4K/60, but they can't do 4:2:2 or 4:4:4.
Are you inferring that 4K/60/4:4:4/12b is UHD and anything less is not?
Aren't Monoprice cables supposed to be guaranteed for life?
If it doesn't do what it's supposed to, then you should be entitled to a refund or exchange IMHO.

Make sure that you display can actually do anything higher what you are receiving.
For example my particular display will only accept 4:2:0 / 8bit when receiving [email protected]
So display sends that EDID spec to the player, and the player will never try to output anything greater than that.
If someone isn't aware of how the EDID specs work, they might blame the player or the cable for the shortcoming.
So be sure what your display is or isn't capable of. Your display might certainly be able to do the high modes,
but just saying it's something to be aware of.

Not saying at all that anything less than 4K/60/4:4:4/12b isn't true HD.
I only said that because it seemed to be what YOU were after... to find a longer HDMI cable that handles the full bandwidth
of what UHD offers. On second thought, I'm not even sure if that combo is an official HDMI specification.
I'd have to go find the chart to be sure, but you should be able to understand my point as it stands.
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What about Unobtanium. It's a great superconductor at room temperature 😀
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What about Unobtanium. It's a great superconductor at room temperature 😀
Audioquest had those but I couldn't afford them when I was younger and dumber.


The Oppo cable issue is fascinating to me. I admit my reasonably cheap cables have worked fine but I'm guessing I may need to replace them when I actually get something needing to meet the new 2.1 specs. I can live with that - replacing my cable every 6 years - all 4 of them The nice thing is I can just put strings on my old ones and use them to snake the replacement ones through the wall. Some people act as if replacing their cables is going to be some horrible expense. I paid $500 for my BD player - $45 on a new cable for it isn't going to break my bank. I'm not about to say yeah, I really want the 203 but I can't justify a mortgage on the cable that costs 1/10th the price of the player.


If Oppo made or even endorsed some hdmi 2.1 cables when the time came - I have no doubt I'd buy them. Likewise if Marantz did I would probably do the same although I think Marantz cables would be 3 times the price of an Oppo cable of similar quality. I'll probably trust the BJ or Have cables to make good cables again as I've had zero issues with them so far.
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Audio dropout / lip-sync issue - is this a confirmed Oppo firmware issue or a HDMI cable issue? Currently have HDMI audio-only cable going to receiver and the second HDMI video cable going to the TV. All cables are 6' Monoprice certified cables. If cable, would it be the one to the receiver? Picture quality is fine -- no issue there. Thanks!
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Audio dropout / lip-sync issue - is this a confirmed Oppo firmware issue or a HDMI cable issue? Currently have HDMI audio-only cable going to receiver and the second HDMI video cable going to the TV. All cables are 6' Monoprice certified cables. If cable, would it be the one to the receiver? Picture quality is fine -- no issue there. Thanks!


Some people have fixed SOME things with the cables. Some issues might be related to the interaction between the Oppo and certain preamps (that doesn't mean it isn't an oppo issue just that since the unit is new everyone seems to be making discoveries). Some people are discovering their expensive cables seem to be the problem and some are discovering their cheap cables are the problem. But seems like Oppo is working on their issues still as well. I figure it will be another month until the next major firmware update before you'll know for sure.
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I'm thinking based on all the posts about cables in this and other threads, CES 2018 will be a place to get noticed for vendors selling HDMI 2.1 cables they can prove handle the bandwidth at a distance. I don't recall any time in the past where cables were so important. Sure we've had snake oil salespeople telling how their $1,000 directional, mithril enhanced, gamma ray shielded cabled would make your turntable sound its best but we finally really NEED better cables. The 4K oppo and other devices seem to be needing better. I haven't had any issues with my 4 year old BJ cables but I figured they'd be good when I bought them. They weren't crazy expensive like the audioquest cables I used to buy but they seem to do the job.
the cables are important because frankly the HDMI technology is substandard if you ask me it has a history of unreliablity. Display has been able to handle 8k streams for sometime now.. The only down size is you do not get ARC with displayport but most of us have universal remotes anyway so that to me is moot. I rather have a technology that is stable.
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The Oppo cable issue is fascinating to me.
There is no "Oppo cable issue". The issue is that a lot of cables don't live up to their manufacturer's claims. UHD Bluray players, like the Oppo UDP-203, are some of the first source devices that are demanding use of the full 18Gbps bandwidth, thus exposing the fact that some cables can't deliver on their promises.
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