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For the record, here's what Oppo CS had to say regarding possible actions to rectify the remote code interference:

The problem is we designed our IR codes around the same codes we have been using since the OPDV971H, our first DVD player. We have added buttons to the remote, but have not changed the IR carrier signal for the buttons which are shared. So if we changed the IR codes for the UDP-203, we would be breaking the IR compatibility for all customers who are already using IR codes from previous players for their home theater systems.
But we will look into this issue and see if there is anything that we will be able to resolve through future hardware changes to the remote.

Give the above, I think it unlikely that we will have a systemic resolution for this issue on the UDP-203. Each of us will have to find a tolerable workaround for our own setups, as I have done by shielding the IR controller for my LED bias lighting.

Anyone who has not yet encountered the problem might want to keep an eye out for strange behavior in your other components while executing the Oppo remote control commands.
This does beg the question for me...is there a standard for IR codes and are the carrier frequencies and codes controlled by some central authority that allocates them out? If not then I'm surprised we don't encounter more overlap and conflict than we do.

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Thank you SO MUCH! I knew I was doing something stupid. The instructions you linked worked perfectly. I know DVD's are dinosaurs, but I have some UK old Doctor Who DVD's that I can get that are out of print in the US, so I really just need the DVDs, not Blu-Rays to be region free.
Quite right too.

(Slightly biased as I was the restoration supervisor on the DW DVD range)
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The 203 has an issue with 4:4:4 upsampling. 4:2:2 works and I tried 8/10/12 Bit what didn't change the result. Also the UB900 doesn't have this flaw, it upsamples 4:4:4 just fine.

The following pic I took from Jaws Blu-ray Universal title screen with the bright red/yellow registered trademark logo.
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The 203 has an issue with 4:4:4 upsampling. 4:2:2 works and I tried 8/10/12 Bit what didn't change the result. Also the UB900 doesn't have this flaw, it upsamples 4:4:4 just fine.

The following pic I took from Jaws Blu-ray Universal title screen with the bright red/yellow registered trademark logo.
I guess my 5k Mac monitor is crap because they look the same, in fact your 4:4:4 picture is slightly bigger than the 4:2:2. No need for the brown bag to keep me from hyperventilating after all
This is a great example of why some members don't like picture comparisons, while you may be seeing it, not seeing it your pictures.
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The 203 has an issue with 4:4:4 upsampling. 4:2:2 works and I tried 8/10/12 Bit what didn't change the result. Also the UB900 doesn't have this flaw, it upsamples 4:4:4 just fine.

The following pic I took from Jaws Blu-ray Universal title screen with the bright red/yellow registered trademark logo.
I see what you mean. What was the output resolution? I'm curious if Source Direct, 1080p and UHD have different results.

Have you sent this to OPPO support?

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I guess my 5k Mac monitor is crap because they look the same, in fact your 4:4:4 picture is slightly bigger than the 4:2:2. No need for the brown bag to keep me from hyperventilating after all
This is a great example of why some members don't like picture comparisons, while you may be seeing it, not seeing it your pictures.
You can clearly see the color banding/artifacts in the red area left of the yellow R. If you're not seeing it, you should get a new monitor indeed.
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I see what you mean. What was the output resolution? I'm curious if Source Direct, 1080p and UHD have different results.

Have you sent this to OPPO support?

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Source Direct and 1080p. No UHD since it's Blu-ray and FHD projector!

Mail to Oppo Support has been sent.

In the meantime I would recommend to set the 203 to 4:2:2 instead of 4:4:4.
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You can clearly see the color banding/artifacts in the red area left of the yellow R. If you're not seeing it, you should get a new monitor indeed.
Whatever - I am growing tired of the Panny v Oppo discussion. Time to go back to enjoying my player and staying off AVS. Once again as reminded on that other thread, someones opinion doesn't matter if we disagree I'm glad Bill can see it, but as I said they aren't the same size and how the heck would you even see that from a normal seating distance if it was? Peace and enjoy whatever you decide is best for you.

P.S. While I see what you mean, I don't view it as a big deal since the angle seems to be different (what type of display was this again?) and they are not the same size. An then there is the viewing distance thing.
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I own the Sony 55X930D and I also noticed putting the Oppo in source direct provided the best pq in 4k movies and also in bluray movies.
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Source Direct and 1080p. No UHD since it's Blu-ray and FHD projector!

Mail to Oppo Support has been sent.

In the meantime I would recommend to set the 203 to 4:2:2 instead of 4:4:4.
A blanket recommendation like the one above is just flat out wrong. Same display maybe, but usually things are tested on a few of the same displays to ensure something else isn't at play.

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Have any of you guys come here & read this stuff & start changing your settings.
After awhile you have screwed things up & have to do a factory reset to get back where you were happy all along?
Sometimes us little folks over think this stuff. I am back where my OLED & OPPO 203 just makes me smile.
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Whatever - I am growing tired of the Panny v Oppo discussion. Time to go back to enjoying my player and staying off AVS. Once again as reminded on that other thread, someones opinion doesn't matter if we disagree I'm glad Bill can see it, but as I said they aren't the same size and how the heck would you even see that from a normal seating distance if it was? Peace and enjoy whatever you decide is best for you.

P.S. While I see what you mean, I don't view it as a big deal since the angle seems to be different (what type of display was this again?) and they are not the same size. An then there is the viewing distance thing.
I don't really know what you want to say? My picture is generating the effect or what? Then why whould I take a picture of an issue which doesn't exist in reality?

No offense but sticking the head in the sand pretending not seeing anything is not going to solve issues.
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I don't really know what you want to say? My picture is generating the effect or what? Then why whould I take a picture of an issue which doesn't exist in reality?

No offense but sticking the head in the sand pretending not seeing anything is not going to solve issues.
Huh? I'm out and you keep digging and I'll drive down to the beach. I've got to decide about getting a new display before we have to pay a 20% tax (thanks Prez) since a lot of them come from Mexico (see Sony) Good time to be in Germany.

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A blanket recommendation like the one above is just flat out wrong. Same display maybe, but usually things are tested on a few of the same displays to ensure something else isn't at play.
Just fired up my 2nd projector Panasonic PT-AE7000 and it has the same issue. Then I fired up my 4K UHD TV Sony 55X85C. This one is too small to see the difference compared to 100" projector screen.

I guess I need to look for another Blu-ray with large, bright red areas to confirm.
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Huh? I'm out and you keep digging and I'll drive down to the beach. I've got to decide about getting a new display before we have to pay a 20% tax (thanks Prez) since a lot of them come from Mexico (see Sony) Good time to be in Germany.
Lucky you. Don't have a beach but icy wind and cold temperatures.

Now you know why I have time to investigate Oppo issues.
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Lucky you. Don't have a beach but icy wind and cold temperatures.

Now you know why I have time to investigate Oppo issues.
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Lucky you. Don't have a beach but icy wind and cold temperatures.

Now you know why I have time to investigate Oppo issues.
You are exaggerating. I found myself many times on the shores of the Wannsee sipping a cold bottle of Berliner Kindl back in the day. Fond memories! (Maybe not in the middle of the winter, though... )
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That Red R, is that the dinky little thing on the right side under UNIVERSAL? Like under the L?

Why waste $ on more cheap stuff, it's like challenging a dragon with a pocket knife.
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The Oppo AV Sync test has changed (attachment 1 below). Perhaps you are not using S&M ver 2? The Disney WOW AV Sync test (attachment 2) yields the same results, i.e. the Oppo adjustment seems to have no effect on AV sync.
I had them swapped in my head. I was thinking that the Disney World of Wonder Disc was the one with the bars, and the Spears and Munsil disc was the one that used a rotating bar.

The easiest thing to do is close your left eye, move in a position where you can concentrate on the fair right most numbers, then, using something like a Blu-ray case, cover up the remaining numbers so you only see "11".

Listen for the audio test tone and watch for the bar. Now move left, your vision left, or the Blu-ray case left so you can see "10". Listen for the audio tone and watch for the bar. Keep doing this until you find the number where the audio tone and the bar are not longer present at the same time.

I know I had problems detecting audio delay issues when I was just watching the entire screen and listening for the audio tone at the same time. But once I isolated my vision to one a single bar and could concentrate more on the audio tone, I was able to easily see the difference between the different A/V Sync adjustment settings.

EDIT: I can confirm that the positive values do work up to 200ms. Negative values are completely different, as that relies on there being excess audio buffer in the system.

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There is no "Oppo cable issue". The issue is that a lot of cables don't live up to their manufacturer's claims. UHD Bluray players, like the Oppo UDP-203, are some of the first source devices that are demanding use of the full 18Gbps bandwidth, thus exposing the fact that some cables can't deliver on their promises.
Let's be fair here, more than likely there is a cable issue, just not the one people are thinking of.

There is absolutely a problem with "18Gbps" cables not being able to handle their claimed bandwidth, but at least from what I can discern, the OPPO is also more sensitive than many players/devices to this failure. It's totally possible there is some sort of configuration/hardware problem, perhaps something like the HDMI port is running the wrong voltage or something. However, given that we already know the player has error recovery problems, to me, the likely cause is that the errors are occurring on all devices, but the OPPO unlike the others is failing to recover from the errors cleanly.
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Has Oppo released an eta on the 4k blu-ray menu being reduced to 24/30 hz?
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Long time Oppo enthusiast. Had their DVD players back in the early days, then for BD the 83, still have the 93 and 103 and now I'm thrilled to say, the 203 is added to the collection. I also have had the Samsung UHD player and still have the Panasonic DMP-900 (a seriously good player).

Put it in the rack, was prompted to update the firmware, and have sampled about 6 or so UHDs to test picture quality and watched Underworld completely (great UHD by the way), and Infiltrator BD last night. Have been pausing a lot as have been busy ripping the DSD layer of my large SACD collection on the 103 before I sell it. Hit the screen saver many times during pausing.

Never a single problem. Never a lip-sync issue, nor stutter, nor lock-up, no banding, no HDMI issues, no irritations of any kind. Just battle-ship performance as I expect from Oppo. Love it. Fabulous picture and very fast performance whether starting, resuming, or chapter skipping. Also love the usual settings menu whilst the movie is playing, and that extended Info screen is just made for us

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Long time Oppo enthusiast. Had their DVD players back in the early days, then for BD the 83, still have the 93 and 103 and now I'm thrilled to say, the 203 is added to the collection. I also have had the Samsung UHD player and still have the Panasonic DMP-900 (a seriously good player).

Put it in the rack, was prompted to update the firmware, and have sampled about 6 or so UHDs to test picture quality and watched Underworld completely (great UHD by the way), and Infiltrator BD last night. Have been pausing a lot as have been busy ripping the DSD layer of my large SACD collection on the 103 before I sell it. Hit the screen saver many times during pausing.

Never a single problem. Never a lip-sync issue, nor stutter, nor lock-up, no banding, no HDMI issues, no irritations of any kind. Just battle-ship performance as I expect from Oppo. Love it. Fabulous picture and very fast performance whether starting, resuming, or chapter skipping. Also love the usual settings menu whilst the movie is playing, and that extended Info screen is just made for us

(Yamaha RX-A3050 receiver and Epson 9300 4K projector)

It's always an exciting time welcoming another Oppo player into the house
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Huh? I'm out and you keep digging and I'll drive down to the beach. I've got to decide about getting a new display before we have to pay a 20% tax (thanks Prez) since a lot of them come from Mexico (see Sony) Good time to be in Germany.
The Oppo folks are out of California but am unsure if all their parts are made there or not. Although USA manufacturing may gain anew hopefully soon as we become wiser finally.

I agree in the short term to buy now b4 increased potential tariffs across the border, but in the long run just maybe the good ole USA will return to making most electronics & TV's here again after decades of prior trade policies that put us last that in part created the worst debt ratio in history that generations beyond us must bear.
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Let's be fair here, more than likely there is a cable issue, just not the one people are thinking of.

There is absolutely a problem with "18Gbps" cables not being able to handle their claimed bandwidth, but at least from what I can discern, the OPPO is also more sensitive than many players/devices to this failure. It's totally possible there is some sort of configuration/hardware problem, perhaps something like the HDMI port is running the wrong voltage or something. However, given that we already know the player has error recovery problems, to me, the likely cause is that the errors are occurring on all devices, but the OPPO unlike the others is failing to recover from the errors cleanly.
I would like to add to this:

I have been searching (in vain at this stage) for an HDMI cable long enough to reach my TV from my rack. It is a distance of about 5 metres but would definitely be a stretch, and it seems that in Australia you really only have a choice of 5m or 10. You can imagine my excitement when I discovered this thread listing a cable in Australia that apparently works. I bought it, tested it, and everything was working fine.

Then I installed the player back in the rack... and no picture. It was again behaving as all other cables (except the supplied one) had where anything over 24Hz would not display. Here we go again. I tried moving the cable to the front of the equipment (thank god I had not yet run it through the wall) to avoid any possible interference... still nothing. Not to be outdone (and being a professional tester by trade) I looked at what else was different from where I had originally tested the machine. I removed the second HDMI cable and then started getting snow, seems it was a bit better but not enough to handshake. So I removed the network cable, the only thing left plugged into the player that had not been when I originally tested the cable. And there it was, the picture back again.

I have used the player a bit more with these settings, but it still definitely drops sound and frames every so often when used in Auto. I know it is easy to blame the cable, but as mentioned by Amnesia above the player is definitely very sensitive to its surroundings, I would say a bit too much in some cases.

As for me, I will be returning various cables I have purchased and have found a 6m cable online that I am calling "Obi-Wan Kenobi" as it is my only hope.
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The Oppo folks are out of California but am unsure if all their parts are made there or not. Although USA manufacturing may gain anew hopefully soon as we become wiser finally.

I agree in the short term to buy now b4 increased potential tariffs across the border, but in the long run just maybe the good ole USA will return to making most electronics & TV's here again after decades of prior trade policies that put us last that in part created the worst debt ratio in history that generations beyond us must bear.
Sure, but will we be able to afford them? This direction is counter to everything I ever learned in Economics, which happens to be my degree.
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Source Direct and 1080p. No UHD since it's Blu-ray and FHD projector!

Mail to Oppo Support has been sent.

In the meantime I would recommend to set the 203 to 4:2:2 instead of 4:4:4.
4:2:2 at 10bit and 12bit introduces banding on my set with every device i have tried, so i will stick to 4:4:4 for now thank you.
Maybe in reverse the Oppo does not have a problem with 4:4:4 and it is your display device that does?
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Looking at all of the posts regarding Deepwater Horizon it appears that the audio drops are mostly in the same spots: at the beginning and toward the end (approx 15 min before the end as someone mentioned). I watched it Saturday night and it happened twice. I don't recall if I ever paused the movie.

I cleaned the disc and watched it again on Tuesday night without pausing, but this time making note of where they happened. I had three this time: 2 min 21 sec, 1 hour 30 min 28 sec and 1 hour 31 min 35 sec give or take a few seconds. The first one I was able to get to repeat at will. The other two I couldn't. The last two are approx 15 min before the end of the movie.

I can't help but think that maybe this is a defect in the disc as opposed to a difficulty in reading this particular disc (I remember someone saying that it's a triple layer or something).

Any thoughts? I just got it last week so I could exchange it, but I don't want to bother if the new one would be the same.
I just watch this same title tonight and noticed same audio drop issues. No idea if it's the disc or player. I have the Samsung upstairs, so will try it there when I get a chance. Having the times you posted will help. Thanks!

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Has Oppo released an eta on the 4k blu-ray menu being reduced to 24/30 hz?
Nothing announced, but that is typical. OPPO doesn't let update info out in advance. You might try contacting Support to see if they will say anything specific.

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Dolby Vision

I know this might not be the right thread for this but i figured someone in this thread will know the answer.I just want to understand Dolby Vision a little more and thing i don't understand is that i thought Vision was supposed to be mastered at 12bit but yet I see that certain 10bit panels are able to support Dolby Vision. Example the OLED B6 is a 10bit panel & it supports vision. So is Dolby Vision actually mastered for 12bit?

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