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I know this might not be the right thread for this but i figured someone in this thread will know the answer.I just want to understand Dolby Vision a little more and thing i don't understand is that i thought Vision was supposed to be mastered at 12bit but yet I see that certain 10bit panels are able to support Dolby Vision. Example the OLED B6 is a 10bit panel & it supports vision. So is Dolby Vision actually mastered for 12bit?
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When I go to the SETTINGS menu, the screen blinks for a split second as if it is trying to negotiate a HDMI handshake. Is this normal? It also does this when I'm returning to the HOME SCREEN for SETTINGS or if I'm changing the HDR or resolution settings. Any infor is greatly appreciated.

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When I go to the SETTINGS menu, the screen blinks for a split second as if it is trying to negotiate a HDMI handshake. Is this normal? It also does this when I'm returning to the HOME SCREEN for SETTINGS or if I'm changing the HDR or resolution settings. Any infor is greatly appreciated.
You'll get a new handshake when changing resolution, color space, bit depth or HDR. I haven't see it reported for just entering Setup.

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I'm using a Harmony remote and it causing HDMI handshaking issues with the Oppo and my Yamaha receiver., because it turns on my devices at the same time. Do any of you have recommended power on delay settings?
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You'll get a new handshake when changing resolution, color space, bit depth or HDR. I haven't see it reported for just entering Setup.

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Is this occurance the intication of a possible problem with the player? Since I've owned the player, I've noticed that the picture is not as detailed (sharp) as my 103.

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Is this occurance the intication of a possible problem with the player? Since I've owned the player, I've noticed that the picture is not as detailed (sharp) as my 103.
I would treat the two issues separately. You are running the current 1229 firmware?

(1) Blinking: I would suspect HDMI first. Have you tried swapping cables around, making sure of a good fit in the sockets? How long are your cable runs?

(2) Not as sharp: this would be for Blu-ray? What are your video settings? When you press and hold the Info button on the remote, scroll down to the HDMI Output section, what does it say?

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I'm using a Harmony remote and it causing HDMI handshaking issues with the Oppo and my Yamaha receiver., because it turns on my devices at the same time. Do any of you have recommended power on delay settings?
Yes. Click on Devices, select the Oppo device, and then Device Delay Settings. Here is the adjustment that solved my similar issue:
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I'm using a Harmony remote and it causing HDMI handshaking issues with the Oppo and my Yamaha receiver., because it turns on my devices at the same time. Do any of you have recommended power on delay settings?
Try changing the order in which the devices are turned on, and add a small delay between each. What works for me is this order:
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Before changing to these settings, I was turning on the projector first and experiencing handshake issues.
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The Oppo folks are out of California but am unsure if all their parts are made there or not. Although USA manufacturing may gain anew hopefully soon as we become wiser finally.

I agree in the short term to buy now b4 increased potential tariffs across the border, but in the long run just maybe the good ole USA will return to making most electronics & TV's here again after decades of prior trade policies that put us last that in part created the worst debt ratio in history that generations beyond us must bear.
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Could someone advise me on the most recent firmware release regarding the UHD HDR dark picture issues?

My system with a JVC RS400 projector suffers from the dark picture quality while viewing 4K UHD blu rays. Back a few weeks ago there were some work arounds including the strip metadata setting and increasing brightness levels which I made. With this latest firmware update, are those same prior work arounds still necessary? Does the firmware update reset all those automatically?

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Could someone advise me on the most recent firmware release regarding the UHD HDR dark picture issues?

My system with a JVC RS400 projector suffers from the dark picture quality while viewing 4K UHD blu rays. Back a few weeks ago there were some work arounds including the strip metadata setting and increasing brightness levels which I made. With this latest firmware update, are those same prior work arounds still necessary? Does the firmware update reset all those automatically?
I'm recalling that advice was made for this 1229 firmware, so it should be the same with the production version.

The update does not reset settings, but the instructions say to do it manually. This is easy these days because of the Settings Management feature. Save your settings to USB stick before, restore them after.

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I would treat the two issues separately. You are running the current 1229 firmware?

(1) Blinking: I would suspect HDMI first. Have you tried swapping cables around, making sure of a good fit in the sockets? How long are your cable runs?

(2) Not as sharp: this would be for Blu-ray? What are your video settings? When you press and hold the Info button on the remote, scroll down to the HDMI Output section, what does it say?

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Yes, I'm running 1229 firmware.


The HDMI fit firm in their sockets. Currently, I'm using the OPPO supplied cable, but have swapped it with other certified cables with the same result. My cable run is 6 ft.


The not sharp is for UHD. My settings are: HDR: Auto, Output Resolution: custom, Custom Resolution: UHD Auto, Color Space and Depth: both Auto.


When I press INFO, the HDMI output section says HDR BT2020, 4.2.2 12 bit

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The not sharp is for UHD.
For all UHD titles? Are you comparing it to another player, or to Blu-ray versions of the same title?

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For all UHD titles? Are you comparing it to another player, or to Blu-ray versions of the same title?

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This is compared to blu-ray version of the same title
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This is compared to blu-ray version of the same title
That's not good advertising for UHD! What titles?

What display do you have? It will require different calibration for its HDR modes.

Does Source Direct look better than Custom/UHD Auto?

What if you turn HDR off in player? Does the image seem better?

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That's not good advertising for UHD! What titles?

What display do you have? It will require different calibration for its HDR modes.

Does Source Direct look better than Custom/UHD Auto?

What if you turn HDR off in player? Does the image seem better?

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This is for all titles. HDR mode looks dark. HDR off looks a lot better (almost like the blu-ray version). Source Direct does look better than Custom/UHD auto in both HDR and non-HDR modes. I have a Sony XBR65X850C monitor.


For the record, 4K from Direct TV, Netflix, Youtube, VUDU, etc.., looks better than 4K from the player. It is sharper with more detail. This is for both HDR and nonHDR sources.


My settings for all 4K inputs are the same.

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Let's be fair here, more than likely there is a cable issue, just not the one people are thinking of.

There is absolutely a problem with "18Gbps" cables not being able to handle their claimed bandwidth, but at least from what I can discern, the OPPO is also more sensitive than many players/devices to this failure. It's totally possible there is some sort of configuration/hardware problem, perhaps something like the HDMI port is running the wrong voltage or something. However, given that we already know the player has error recovery problems, to me, the likely cause is that the errors are occurring on all devices, but the OPPO unlike the others is failing to recover from the errors cleanly.

My opinion as well.


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This is for all titles. HDR mode looks dark. HDR off looks a lot better (almost like the blu-ray version). Source Direct does look better than Custom/UHD auto in both HDR and non-HDR modes. I have a Sony XBR65X850C monitor.


For the record, 4K from Direct TV, Netflix, Youtube, VUDU, etc.., looks better than 4K from the player. It is sharper with more detail. This is for both HDR and nonHDR sources.


My settings for all 4K inputs are the same.
Per the sharpness, what titles have you tried. My general impression has been that UHD titles with a true or near 4K DI look noticeably sharper than ones that were unconverted. The unconverted titles look softer and less detailed than the blu ray counterpart. I attribute that to DNR or other processing being used on the unconverted titles.

As for the darker image, HDR titles are graded darker to begin with. Even when HDR is off, the base grading still looks darker. Now The oppo still is crushing some detail in my case wen converting HDR to SDR. I hope that will be addressed soon. Remapping luminance from HDR to SDR seems to need work.
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John Archer (Forbes) wrote a early review of the UDP-203 also.

Oppo UDP-203 Ultra HD Blu-ray Player Review: The Return Of The King - 1/27/17

Multiple comparisons to Samsung and Panasonic UHD players. Some issues with player operation mentioned noted with 203.

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Per the sharpness, what titles have you tried. My general impression has been that UHD titles with a true or near 4K DI look noticeably sharper than ones that were unconverted. The unconverted titles look softer and less detailed than the blu ray counterpart. I attribute that to DNR or other processing being used on the unconverted titles.

As for the darker image, HDR titles are graded darker to begin with. Even when HDR is off, the base grading still looks darker. Now The oppo still is crushing some detail in my case wen converting HDR to SDR. I hope that will be addressed soon. Remapping luminance from HDR to SDR seems to need work.

Some of the titles are "Magnificent Seven", Jason Bourne, Now You see Me 2, Life of Pets, Star Trek (newest movie), Batman vs Superman

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As you can see in the below pics I bought a triple 3D pack of movies from E-Bay. I just received this triple pack today btw.

3D Prometheus & iRobot play fine on my 203 so I am def keeping these 2 but the 3D Vampire Hunter is region B or C only, this is what the 203 player said in that it would not play.

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The 1st person who PM's me with the aforementioned criteria with their address they want me to ship it to, I will ship this new Vampire Hunter 3D disc at N/C just so it will not go to waste, as I do not plan on buying the adapter region converter.

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Last night I thought I would just run the FW update to the official (though I already have the same Beta installed). I have the unit set to alert on updates but never got any alert. Went to Setup menu, clicked check for update online. It circled Searching.. with the wheel turning for 8-10 minutes doing nothing. No command from remote would work either (my home network and internet were fine all the time and other devices were functioning properly).

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The dropped frames are accompanied by severely out of sync audio. Regular Blu-rays seem OK, but 3D discs have pretty horrendous audio sync issues...

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Hi Mel,

Did the 1212b firmware also fix the issue with the out of sync audio? I have the exactly same problem, 3D discs with judders and out of sync audio

It also seems that there is a new firmware version UDP20X-33-1229, did you update your player with it yet and if yes, is everything fine?

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This is for all titles. HDR mode looks dark. HDR off looks a lot better (almost like the blu-ray version). Source Direct does look better than Custom/UHD auto in both HDR and non-HDR modes. I have a Sony XBR65X850C monitor.


For the record, 4K from Direct TV, Netflix, Youtube, VUDU, etc.., looks better than 4K from the player. It is sharper with more detail. This is for both HDR and nonHDR sources.


My settings for all 4K inputs are the same.
Do you have a HDR bright room setting or something similar to that? I use that on my E6, as HDR Standard is too dim and dull. I then adjust my OLED light and contrast down, so it is not blinding, and IMO looks better. Still not all that impressed by HDR10. Hope OPPO get the Strip metadata function working properly, because SDR2020 looks impressive and is not dark like HDR.
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Some of the titles are "Magnificent Seven", Jason Bourne, Now You see Me 2, Life of Pets, Star Trek (newest movie), Batman vs Superman
Of those I have star trek beyond and magnificent 7. Magnificent 7 is a bit dark and I don't like the color grading. I didn't find it soft. Star Trek beyond looks a bit soft as well. I believe both are unconverted from a 2k DI. So thats a possibility on those.
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I have an Amazon Fire TV plugged into the rear input.

When I switch to the input, let it settle then wake the Fire TV, i get the menu screen.

Then I select a show on Netflix, press play, and I get a blank screen.

Seems its not playing well with the Fire TV. odd thing is, it worked yesterday.

Just checked - it will play 1080 from Netflix , but wont play anything in 4k.

I have to unplug the Fire TV to get it going again. Changing inputs on my processor and restarting wont fix it.

Is this because the rear input wont pass HDR?

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The HDMI input on the 203 currently has some issues (including audio sync) that are supposedly being worked on. Can't recall if it doesn't support 4K at all right now or if it's just HDR on the input that it doesn't like, but your best bet would be to avoid using it until Oppo releases a fix.

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Hi Mel,

Did the 1212b firmware also fix the issue with the out of sync audio? I have the exactly same problem, 3D discs with judders and out of sync audio

It also seems that there is a new firmware version UDP20X-33-1229, did you update your player with it yet and if yes, is everything fine?

Thanks!
Oppo just sent me 36-0112b. Since I've installed it audio sync is fine and I haven't seen any dropped/frozen frames on 3D. Watched a few movies straight through without issue. Hopefully they will distribute this beta widely. They told me it includes all the fixes in 1229. So good news on the 3D front.

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I have an Amazon Fire TV plugged into the rear input.

When I switch to the input, let it settle then wake the Fire TV, i get the menu screen.

Then I select a show on Netflix, press play, and I get a blank screen.

Seems its not playing well with the Fire TV. odd thing is, it worked yesterday.

Just checked - it will play 1080 from Netflix , but wont play anything in 4k.

I have to unplug the Fire TV to get it going again. Changing inputs on my processor and restarting wont fix it.

Is this because the rear input wont pass HDR?

The HDMI input does not support HDR.
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The HDMI input does not support HDR.
Yes, I'm thinking that - but I'm not even sure if thats the issue - the HDR flag isn't showing on the shows, but the 4k flag is.

So Im uncertain if thats the issue. I don't think all 4k Netflix shows are in HDR?

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