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post #9271 of 38040 Old 01-28-2017, 01:30 PM
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I have the vizio p65 2016 model and if you turn off hdmi color subsampling you will turn disenable hdr10. The menu was added when vizio added hdr 10 support. The dolby vision feature is automatic and does not need to be enabled.

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Not correct. I have the P75, and HDR from both the Oppo and PS4 both work fine with subsampling off. It varies by device.
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Can someone with the UHDBD of The Martian and an HDR display please let me know if you see banding in the sky in the background in Chapter 13, in the shot between 46:35 and 46:38?

I have the latest 1229 public firmware on the UDP-203, and it's outputting BT709 YCbCr 4:4:4 8-bit to my SDR display.

I'd like to know whether the banding is in the source material or an artifact of HDR-SDR conversion, since that shot is unusually noisy compared to most or all of the rest of the shots in the movie, and it's the only shot where I notice color banding.
I do not see any banding in that shot in HDR.
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Are there recommended settings for the LG Oled E6 series to get the best results from both UHD and Blu-Ray from the 203?
We have the E6 in the FAQ: Recommended Settings. Still waiting for other submissions.

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So here's an odd one. Watching Miss Peregrines . . . 4K last night, and there was horrible banding in the gray sky when they are sailing to the island early in the movie.

Stopped the movie and changed my settings. Normally have Custom, UHD, hard set to YCbCr 422, and bit depth to auto which my TV requests as 12 bit.

I changed to 444 for the rest of the movie and the banding was gone. But rechecked the same scene later with my settings back at 422, and the banding was not present.

The movie plays fine otherwise except for one brief audio dropout (which I have not seen on a UHD before unless I had paused the movie, which I had not this time).

So banding seems to be a variable, not a fixed result of settings. Currently on the 1229 beta.
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I dont use the hdmi input so i can't comment on that.

The random stuttering is still there on uhd's. If anything it might be a tad worse than before. About to report that to oppo.
Please do, and what about the audio drop outs, are they still there ?

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Please do, and what about the audio drop outs, are they still there ?
When it comes to audio I haven't experienced any drop outs. I do have the player downmixing audio to 2.1 though. So maybe that's why.
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It's certainly sounding like it's busted. See if OPPO has any other suggestions.

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Well the rather odd advise from OPPO support was to try to reload the firmware from USB using the Setup menu. Since the player wasn't getting past the Hello display that was not going to be an option.

I asked but there doesn't seem to be an option to force the player to update firmware from USB on power on. Something OPPO may want to consider for future designs is a fail safe option that allows firmware load from USB or a non-volatile copy of the factory shipping firmware that's triggered by something like holding the Enter button during power on.

Unfortunately returning the player was my only option.

I did take the opportunity to check with support on issues that certainly don't affect everyone but are important to me in my configuration
  • 3D Blu ray playback - told to use the "Force 3D" option as a fix. Obviously could not test that but I have not seen it mentioned here as a resolution. The official line seems to be "not a firmware issue".
  • HDMI Input Audio Sync - Told to use the audio sync settings, again not considered a firmware addressable issue. While this might work in the moment, the audio sync gap drifts - constantly playing with the setting doesn't seem to be a viable option.
That left audio dropouts with specific equipment and error correction related freezes as the only "device" related to do's on OPPOs list.

I'm sure there are still future features and of course specific media to address because the nice thing about standards is everyone reads the same document and interprets it differently but those are not break/fix items.

Regrettably I'm now a former 203 owner and my 83 is back in service.

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I also contacted Oppo about the issues with 3D playback, and they sent me the beta firmware. Externally, the file has 0112B in the name, but looking at the firmware version on the 203 shows 0122B.
Are you able to test the Strip Metadata function and look at a black clipping pattern? Current FW is clipping black levels below 7.5%

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Are you able to test the Strip Metadata function and look at a black clipping pattern? Current FW is clipping black levels below 7.5%
I can certainly turn on the strip metadata function. If there's a particular pattern you would like me to try, can you please point me to it?
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I can certainly turn on the strip metadata function. If there's a particular pattern you would like me to try, can you please point me to it?
If you haven't purchased the Masciola HDR test patterns, you may want to. (?)

Looks like you can grab an MP4 here

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I watched Inferno yesterday and it audio dropouts.
And I just finished it and it played perfectly. Surprised at the quality of the Atmos mix. Then I popped in the Greatful Dead's American Beauty and it skipped about the first 3 seconds of audio on the first track.

As they say "it's a process."

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Bluray disc playback playback = no audio delay sync issue

mkv streaming playback = audio delay sync issue (audio is delayed)

So when I try to fix it with the Audio delay setting on the Oppo, it doesn't seem to do anything at all for the lip sync on the mkv streaming playback.

(I also used my AVR's audio delay, and it seems that doesn't do anything either)

Is this a known issue that Oppo is looking to correct? Or should I be trying something else?
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Anyone here know how to have just the english subtitles for foreign only parts?
If I put on Inferno, it has 2 English Subtitle Tracks. They both do the same thing and show subtitles throughout the entire film, not just on foreign parts.
Any help would be appreciated.
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Anyone here know how to have just the english subtitles for foreign only parts?
If I put on Inferno, it has 2 English Subtitle Tracks. They both do the same thing and show subtitles throughout the entire film, not just on foreign parts.
Any help would be appreciated.
Is there an option for this on the disc setup menu? If not, then I suspect it is not possible.

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I can certainly turn on the strip metadata function. If there's a particular pattern you would like me to try, can you please point me to it?
Currently, I cannot resolve beyond 7.5% black in SDR BT.2020 (bar 130)

If fixed, you should be able to faintly resolve bar 68 and bar 64 is absolute black.

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Bluray disc playback playback = no audio delay sync issue

mkv streaming playback = audio delay sync issue (audio is delayed)
By streaming, do you mean that you are using nework streaming? If yes, and you use attached USB storage instead, do you have thesame issues?
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Iv had the 203 for a month now and all of a sudden I'm having bad lip syncs issues, what gives?
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Iv had the 203 for a month now and all of a sudden I'm having bad lip syncs issues, what gives?
I don't know, but my furnace blower is making a strange noise. What did you do to it?

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I don't know, but my furnace blower is making a strange noise. What did you do to it?

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We all gotta step back and relax. There's a whole thread here on what might have started up as a "new" issue on any given 203. Hopefully, not to mine...

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Bluray disc playback playback = no audio delay sync issue

mkv streaming playback = audio delay sync issue (audio is delayed)

So when I try to fix it with the Audio delay setting on the Oppo, it doesn't seem to do anything at all for the lip sync on the mkv streaming playback.

(I also used my AVR's audio delay, and it seems that doesn't do anything either)

Is this a known issue that Oppo is looking to correct? Or should I be trying something else?
Check the resolution - sometimes upscaling can cause different lipsync.
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I hadn't had a single issue with the 203 until tonight. My wife and I watched The Shallows and 3 different times the picture froze and no sound for 3-5 seconds, which seems like a long time when you are in the middle of an action scene.

Also, at the end of the movie suddenly the audio was WAY off.

I'm going to try it again tomorrow to see if the issues are repeatable.

The picture quality was outstanding in many scenes. So clear. I haven't tried the Blu Ray yet, but there is no way it looks that good.

Has there been another beta firmware update since January 3rd? I have a tough time keeping up with this thread even though I spend way too much time on AVS so sorry if many have asked the same thing.


There is a chance the freezing of video issue was due to the bass making the player skip. If so, it would be odd because I've watched some pretty bass heavy movies and not had a problem. Still... all the freezes happened during action scenes with lots of bass.
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*sigh*

No problems with Inferno last night, but tonight had a freeze/lock early on in Star Trek Beyond, tried just pushing stop but after almost a minute nothing had happened so shut it down, skipped past that part and played fine. Then watched Underworld and had an audio dropout every five to fifteen minutes. I'm really starting to lose faith here a bit. After previously having no to very few issues (2 out if 14 movies) now it's practically every disc. Instead of glitches being rare it's gone to clean play through being extremely rare.

FYI to the poster above me, all my freezes have been in scenes with no to minimal bass except one. Deep water Horizon froze during an explosion, but only for about a second then it continued to play. All the rest have been total hard lock freezes.

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Can someone with the UHDBD of The Martian and an HDR display please let me know if you see banding in the sky in the background in Chapter 13, in the shot between 46:35 and 46:38?

I have the latest 1229 public firmware on the UDP-203, and it's outputting BT709 YCbCr 4:4:4 8-bit to my SDR display.

I'd like to know whether the banding is in the source material or an artifact of HDR-SDR conversion, since that shot is unusually noisy compared to most or all of the rest of the shots in the movie, and it's the only shot where I notice color banding.
When this movie first came out, people complained about banding in the sky with various pieces of equipment, for example people with the Panasonic UB900 and Samsung TV Sets complained and it was explained that it was the 12bit 4:2:2 output of the Panasonic as the Samsung K8500 with 10bit 4:4:4 showed no problems with the same scene on the same sets..
I would suggest it is the down conversion to 8bit rec709 that is showing banding on your particular set.
Can you not strip metadata and send 10bit rec2020 sdr to the display to see if you still get the banding?
I have not watched The Martian UHD since i bought the 203, i did watch it when i owned the K8500 and found the 10bit 4:4:4 output to be perfect.
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Anyone here know how to have just the english subtitles for foreign only parts?
If I put on Inferno, it has 2 English Subtitle Tracks. They both do the same thing and show subtitles throughout the entire film, not just on foreign parts.
Any help would be appreciated.
The First 'Taken' movie on blu ray had this mastering error, the DVD and TV broadcasts where fine and showed English subtitles during French / Hungarian speaking parts, i complained to the Movie company via e-mail but never had a reply.
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So here's an odd one. Watching Miss Peregrines . . . 4K last night, and there was horrible banding in the gray sky when they are sailing to the island early in the movie.

Stopped the movie and changed my settings. Normally have Custom, UHD, hard set to YCbCr 422, and bit depth to auto which my TV requests as 12 bit.

I changed to 444 for the rest of the movie and the banding was gone. But rechecked the same scene later with my settings back at 422, and the banding was not present.

The movie plays fine otherwise except for one brief audio dropout (which I have not seen on a UHD before unless I had paused the movie, which I had not this time).

So banding seems to be a variable, not a fixed result of settings. Currently on the 1229 beta.
Problems can also be how your TV decides to act, sometimes 'Toggling' a setting can reset the TV processor.
It's always good practice with TV's now being mini computers to power cycle them regularly.
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Can someone with the UHDBD of The Martian and an HDR display please let me know if you see banding in the sky in the background in Chapter 13, in the shot between 46:35 and 46:38?

I have the latest 1229 public firmware on the UDP-203, and it's outputting BT709 YCbCr 4:4:4 8-bit to my SDR display.

I'd like to know whether the banding is in the source material or an artifact of HDR-SDR conversion, since that shot is unusually noisy compared to most or all of the rest of the shots in the movie, and it's the only shot where I notice color banding.
I've got a 65" LG E6 and 203 output is BT2020 YCbCr 4:2:2 12 bit. No banding visible during that time frame. I paused the scene at around 4:36 on a subsequent run through that section of the film and looked hard but couldn't see any banding. I could see a couple of areas of a "halo"/lighter band of sky on the edge of his helmet and a couple of other parts of the "horizon" line where the sky met objects but that looked like a digital effect from edge enhancement of some kind, the same sort of thing I occasionally get along the sky where it touches the horizon when I'm processing photos. I didn't notice that effect when watching that section of the film in real time, probably because it was only visible in a few small areas and unless I was looking directly at those areas at just the right moment I would not see it. It wasn't what I would call "banding".

I don't think I've noticed any banding during normal watching of the movie.

You're going from a larger colour space to a smaller one, and from 10 bit source material to 8 bit. That kind of conversion is the kind of change that can cause banding.
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Bluray disc playback playback = no audio delay sync issue

mkv streaming playback = audio delay sync issue (audio is delayed)

So when I try to fix it with the Audio delay setting on the Oppo, it doesn't seem to do anything at all for the lip sync on the mkv streaming playback.

(I also used my AVR's audio delay, and it seems that doesn't do anything either)

Is this a known issue that Oppo is looking to correct? Or should I be trying something else?

I've observed the exact same issue and reported it to Oppo.
They told me they are working on it and in the next firmware the sync issues should be remedied.
They also confirmed they changed something in the Audio Delay Setting from the initial firmware to the current one and this is also going to be fixed with the next one.

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I've had some odd HDMI issues that seem similar to this. When the 203 comes up from a clean boot, I don't have any picture issues. However, when pausing, and letting the screen saver come up, when I un-pause to restart the movie, I will sometimes get these odd white flashes that occur on the bottom 1/3 of my screen, and sometimes a whole screen blackout every so often. Sound seems unaffected. This seems worse on DVDs than on any other type of discs. However, to fix the issue, I just turn off the player, turn it back on and start from fresh. This also would seem to indicate to me that my issue is the not the HDMI cables (which are Monoprice certified 18G), but who knows.

Interestingly, I don't remember this problem with the earlier firmware, though it could have happened. I definitely see it with the 1229 firmware.
Game of thrones... When you get to the last episode to a disk it tells you to our the next disk in (very annoying by the producers, I'd rather they just don't put the item in the menu)
Anyhow, if you proceed with eject while the message is displayed and then pop the new disk in and then press home the Oppo will freeze. Black screen, no bounds responding. LCD display says "home" but clearly failed and all other buttons that might give us a clue as to whether it is a display issue out a crash do not change that menu therefore confirming it's a crash

So basically the manufacturer didn't test hot-swapping disks either.

My wife is beginning to tease me that it's more buggy than when I had my HTC magic and android was still officially a beta.
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I hadn't had a single issue with the 203 until tonight. My wife and I watched The Shallows and 3 different times the picture froze and no sound for 3-5 seconds, which seems like a long time when you are in the middle of an action scene.

Also, at the end of the movie suddenly the audio was WAY off.

I'm going to try it again tomorrow to see if the issues are repeatable.

The picture quality was outstanding in many scenes. So clear. I haven't tried the Blu Ray yet, but there is no way it looks that good.

Has there been another beta firmware update since January 3rd? I have a tough time keeping up with this thread even though I spend way too much time on AVS so sorry if many have asked the same thing.


There is a chance the freezing of video issue was due to the bass making the player skip. If so, it would be odd because I've watched some pretty bass heavy movies and not had a problem. Still... all the freezes happened during action scenes with lots of bass.
Current firmware is 1229; you can always check OPPO's support page. People have reported getting a newer beta on an individual basis from Support, but it is not publicly available.

Multi-second pauses sound like the player is trying to recover from an error while reading the disc. I would try cleaning the disc using the procedure in the FAQ: What do I do if a disc will not play?

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