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already ordered, but can one of the testers post, if possible, what DVD looks like converted to 4k on this, only asking because id have a bunch of anime/tvshow dvds and some older dvds that were never ported over the bluray/ have a good enough hd transfer to justify buying agian.
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I would not expect significant video improvements between brands, but I might be wrong. OPPO goes to great effort to get the video correct, which is harder than it sounds.

I use UHD 24 for my resolution: the player upscales.

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I've never experienced upscaling honestly. I've always just played 1080p directly from the PS3. And as far as I know, the JVC doesn't have an upscaling feature. My question was mainly whether the upscaling is good compared to watching a blu-ray natively. (Not comparing players or displays-- just 1080p vs upscaled 1080p)
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What kind of power cord does it use? I've got my pre-order in but I already know that I'm likely going to need to buy a longer cord. I had to buy an aftermarket 10' cord for my current player for my particular space. It'd be nice to order the cord now so that I've got it before the Oppo shows up.
Standard, use whatever you like.
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already ordered, but can one of the testers post, if possible, what DVD looks like converted to 4k on this, only asking because id have a bunch of anime/tvshow dvds and some older dvds that were never ported over the bluray/ have a good enough hd transfer to justify buying agian.
Looks much better than any of the alternatives unless you have a high-end dedicated VP box. Most 4K displays look pretty bad when scaling SD, the Oppo does not. Mediatek has made advances in DVD scaling with each new SOC, this one is no exception.
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already ordered, but can one of the testers post, if possible, what DVD looks like converted to 4k on this, only asking because id have a bunch of anime/tvshow dvds and some older dvds that were never ported over the bluray/ have a good enough hd transfer to justify buying agian.
Well... they look like upscaled DVDs. 1080p vs UHD is going to make very little differences when the source is 720x480.

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Does the 203 support gapless playback with DSD files from an external hard drive?

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I've never experienced upscaling honestly. I've always just played 1080p directly from the PS3. And as far as I know, the JVC doesn't have an upscaling feature.
I'm sure it does.

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I'm not understanding the question. What type of disc on what type of display are you talking about?

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IIRC, with the Panny 900 if you turn on HDR to SDR conversion in the player, it just sends out SDR BT709 8 bit. BUT, if you connect it to a display that cannot do HDR, or hide the fact with the Fury, the Panny will then convert HDR to SDR, and send out BT2020 10 bit WCG.

The Philips does the same, but its color mapping has been found to be a little off. So, the Panny is remapping, it is a very good image with just HDR stripped because I had one. I sold that setup when the 203 looked like it would have it.
When playing HDR content you have several choices of output:

1) Auto -- sends BT2020 w/ HDR metadata so long as the TV says it can accept that. If not, works like OFF below.

2) ON -- sends the above even if the TV says it CAN'T accept that (so long as HDMI copy protection is satisfied)

3) OFF -- sends BT709 for output Resolutions 720p or higher, and BT601 for output Resolutions below 720p, with HDR converted to SDR in the player. Use this, along with downscaling from 4K content to 1080p output, for playing UHD discs on legacy 1080p displays. AUTO should give the same result to such display, but OFF forces this result if need be.

4) Strip Metadata ("experimental feature") -- Sends BT2020 without HDR metadata. What's not clear to me yet is whether the player is also doing *CORRECT* conversion of the HDR content to SDR as part of this (i.e., using the metadata to do that before the metadata is stripped). Expect this feature to evolve as OPPO gets more feedback.

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Does the 203 support gapless playback with DSD files from an external hard drive?

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No. But it does support both DSD64 and DSD128.
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How is the load time compared to previous OPPO players?
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When playing HDR content you have several choices of output:

1) Auto -- sends BT2020 w/ HDR metadata so long as the TV says it can accept that. If not, works like OFF below.

2) ON -- sends the above even if the TV says it CAN'T accept that (so long as HDMI copy protection is satisfied)

3) OFF -- sends BT709 for output Resolutions 720p or higher, and BT601 for output Resolutions below 720p, with HDR converted to SDR in the player. Use this, along with downscaling from 4K content to 1080p output, for playing UHD discs on legacy 1080p displays.

4) Strip Metadata ("experimental feature") -- Sends BT2020 without HDR metadata. What's not clear to me yet is whether the player is also doing *CORRECT* conversion of the HDR content to SDR as part of this (i.e., using the metadata to do that before the metadata is stripped). Expect this feature to evolve as OPPO gets more feedback.

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Very cool, and #4 is what I need. I fully expect Oppo to get it refined if it needs it. Im sure they will get good input from FP owners too.

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I have the Samsung and the Xbox one S.. I have never played a UHD in Xbox because of the audio, the Samsung picture looks fantastic, so I guess what I want to know, how many people have the Samsung and are upgrading, for the beta testers, did any of you have a Samsung and upgrade to the Oppo.. and if you did, did you see enough of a difference to justify spending over 500 on this player?
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How is the load time compared to previous OPPO players?
Startup time is about 10 seconds in Energy Efficient mode, just a bit faster in quick start. I never thought to test disc loading; aren't those determined by disc programming?

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I'm not understanding the question. What type of disc on what type of display are you talking about?

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Let's take San Andreas for example: a movie that was mastered in 2K.
And suppose the Oppo is outputting to a 4K display.

Now, not taking into account the HDR and WCG, could you compare the quality difference between:

1) Playing the Blu-ray at 1080p on a 4K Display.
2) The Oppo upscaling the Blu-ray to 4K
3) Playing the UHD at SDR rec.709
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already ordered, but can one of the testers post, if possible, what DVD looks like converted to 4k on this, only asking because id have a bunch of anime/tvshow dvds and some older dvds that were never ported over the bluray/ have a good enough hd transfer to justify buying agian.
I'm perfectly happy using the 203 to upscale my SD-DVDs to 4K output. A Blu-ray disc of the same movie will almost certainly look better, but for movies that are not yet available on Blu-ray, I think the 203 does a fine job.

Please note that when playing SD content it is even MORE important that your display be properly "calibrated". The 203 will put out the correct signals, but if the TV is off in its calibration you will always see more flaws in SD content (even upscaled SD content) than in HD or UHD content. The reason is, there's no margin for error in SD content. Every step in the video chain has to be correct.

So you can get away with sloppy setup of your TV for UHD or Blu-ray discs. But you'll pay for it when you try to view SD-DVDs.
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Very cool, and #4 is what I need. I fully expect Oppo to get it refined if it needs it. Im sure they will get good input from FP owners too.

Me too but they have chosen to leave number 4 out of the owners manual for now, only options 1,2 and 3 are listed. Probably due to the "experimental" nature as someone commented earlier.
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I'm perfectly happy using the 203 to upscale my SD-DVDs to 4K output. A Blu-ray disc of the same movie will almost certainly look better, but for movies that are not yet available on Blu-ray, I think the 203 does a fine job.

Please note that when playing SD content it is even MORE important that your display be properly "calibrated". The 203 will put out the correct signals, but if the TV is off in its calibration you will always see more flaws in SD content (even upscaled SD content) than in HD or UHD content. The reason is, there's no margin for error in SD content. Every step in the video chain has to be correct.

So you can get away with sloppy setup of your TV for UHD or Blu-ray discs. But you'll pay for it when you try to view SD-DVDs.
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I just asked a question regarding upscaling (it's the post above yours). Could you comment on that as well? Are there any artifacts such as edge-enhancement or ringing when upscaling blu-rays to 4K?
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Me too but they have chosen to leave number 4 out of the owners manual for now, only options 1,2 and 3 are listed. Probably due to the "experimental" nature as someone commented earlier.
Well if it is active in the SW version we newbies get, then Ill be "experimenting" this weekend LOL.

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Startup time is about 10 seconds in Energy Efficient mode, just a bit faster in quick start. I never thought to test disc loading; aren't those determined by disc programming?

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Thanks Bill. I didn't consider differences in disc authoring, that's a good point. I've only every owned an -83 for bluray playback, so that's my reference point. In general I'm curious to know if the player is moderately faster, or dramatically faster. Not a deal breaker for me, just curious.

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Thanks Bill. I didn't consider differences in disc authoring, that's a good point. I've only every owned an -83 for bluray playback, so that's my reference point. In general I'm curious to know if the player is moderately faster, or dramatically faster. Not a deal breaker for me, just curious.
Compared to a BDP-83 its dramatically faster both in terms of power-on and disc loading. No comparison.
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Let's take San Andreas for example: a movie that was mastered in 2K.
And suppose the Oppo is outputting to a 4K display.

Now, not taking into account the HDR and WCG, could you compare the quality difference between:

1) Playing the Blu-ray at 1080p on a 4K Display.
2) The Oppo upscaling the Blu-ray to 4K
I use 2, but the images look so similar to me that I haven't spent any time squinting to see differences. It will depend on your display: I'm using an LG OLED.

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Too many variables to say. It is a differently mastered version and will vary from title to title.

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I have the Samsung and the Xbox one S.. I have never played a UHD in Xbox because of the audio, the Samsung picture looks fantastic, so I guess what I want to know, how many people have the Samsung and are upgrading, for the beta testers, did any of you have a Samsung and upgrade to the Oppo.. and if you did, did you see enough of a difference to justify spending over 500 on this player?
I usually dont ask questions of this nature as your getting into what each persons considers 'worth it'... wormhole...

With that said I am in the same boat. Sold my ps4 as soon as i realized the pro would not accept discs (UHD).. got an Xbox one S in spite of sony... realized I dont have the new audio codecs...

So wait for xbox to release audio codec support or pay $550 for this? Thats a lot of money for my family, but I can justify it if there is a dramatic difference in quality.

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I usually dont ask questions of this nature as your getting into what each persons considers 'worth it'... wormhole...

With that said I am in the same boat. Sold my ps4 as soon as i realized the pro would not accept discs (UHD).. got an Xbox one S in spite of sony... realized I dont have the new audio codecs...

So wait for xbox to release audio codec support or pay $550 for this? Thats a lot of money for my family, but I can justify it if there is a dramatic difference in quality.
I own an S and love it, especially the streaming part. If I didnt just "want" the Oppo, and need the SDR BT2020 ability, Id be fine with the S. Just my 0.02.
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When playing HDR content you have several choices of output:

1) Auto -- sends BT2020 w/ HDR metadata so long as the TV says it can accept that. If not, works like OFF below.

2) ON -- sends the above even if the TV says it CAN'T accept that (so long as HDMI copy protection is satisfied)

3) OFF -- sends BT709 for output Resolutions 720p or higher, and BT601 for output Resolutions below 720p, with HDR converted to SDR in the player. Use this, along with downscaling from 4K content to 1080p output, for playing UHD discs on legacy 1080p displays. AUTO should give the same result to such display, but OFF forces this result if need be.

4) Strip Metadata ("experimental feature") -- Sends BT2020 without HDR metadata. What's not clear to me yet is whether the player is also doing *CORRECT* conversion of the HDR content to SDR as part of this (i.e., using the metadata to do that before the metadata is stripped). Expect this feature to evolve as OPPO gets more feedback.

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Thanks! I'm glad OPPO added #4 option. This may benefit those who have HDR capable tv's but can't hit 1000 nits. Some movies are mastered at higher than 1000 nits, and with some tv's the image is a bit too dark. Stripping HDR-10 off the movie and still allowing for bt.2020 may produce a really good image.

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Is Cinavia protection confirmed for MKV Samba and DLNA shares on 203? Anyone encountered it already for sure?
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I am not an MKV afficionato, but I think the Superdisc still works.
For release in the USA, Blu-ray will be locked to Region A and by default UHD BD is region free.
I'm pretty sure no one knows anything about region free mod kits for BD yet.
Will the firmware mod for previous players for unlocking region restrictions for DVD work with the 203?
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Can anyone speak to how loud the unit is? I mean fan-noise. I am unfortunately stuck with keeping the player in the same room as the projector these days


Second question is -- HDMI in can handle anything right? So can I feed it the Xbox S signal and send the video using HDMI 1 out to the projector and HDMI audio to the receiver (which is non-4k compliant)


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Will the firmware mod for previous players for unlocking region restrictions for DVD work with the 203?
True "firmware" mods for the 10x players -- i.e., hacked player firmware installs -- don't stand a chance of working on the 203. The hardware is too different.

The free, "Superdisc" software reconfiguration mod (burn a special disc, put it in the player once, and you are done) is known to still work on the UDP-203. It provides Region Free for just SD-DVD playback. See the FAQ for the BDP-103 (link available at the top of the first post in that player's thread) for details.

Hardware Region Free mods sold by 3rd party vendors -- JVB is already listing their version for the 203 -- will almost certainly continue to provide both SD-DVD and Blu-ray Region Free at the same time. But you'd have to check the specs with the 3rd party vendor to be sure. It is unlikely that any previously sold hardware mod for the 10x players will work off the bat in the 203.

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Several people have said the SuperDisc region-free softmod still works.
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Second question is -- HDMI in can handle anything right? So can I feed it the Xbox S signal and send the video using HDMI 1 out to the projector and HDMI audio to the receiver (which is non-4k compliant)
From what I've heard in the anticipation thread, HDR metadata forwarding doesn't yet work - you'll get 4K, but no HDR as yet. Supposedly there's a firmware update coming down the line that'll fix that, but for now, no dice.
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