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Might be helpful if we list the make and model TV we are pairing with the 203. As Bob P. pointed out different combinations may result in different problems.

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In my case, it's not worth it. My TV is almost 10 years old and is only a 720P display. I will be upgrading it fairly soon (maybe). I'm just waiting for all this UHD/HDR bleeding edge technology to get worked out.

I should have learned my lesson when I bought my TV. At the time, it was pretty much bleeding edge. Maybe I should just wait for another year until things get worked out. But by then, all my gear will probably be obsolete and non compatible with anything currently on the market at that time.
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I am seeing the same thing. I thought it was just me but it is just like you described. It is like it's dropping a frame. The pic stutters for just a sec then resumes normally.


Ok, I have the frame drops here and there also. I can't determine a relationship between settings and this behaviour though, to me it seems fairly random.

Edit: Though all my cables are short and certified, I'll try dual cabling tomorrow, and bypassing the AVR.

Setup is connected from Oppo to RXA3060 then from that to XBRX930d.
Leaving everything in Auto sets it to 4K/24 4:2:2 12-Bit.

I can confirm the firmware update (via the disc included in the box) went off smoothly. Also no HDMI handshake issues. I do get that grey screen with the first movie I play, but it's gone once the menu loads. Subsequent movies don't have that issue, only happens again after the player is powered off.

Tomorrow I'll play with the HDR settings also on the oppo and see how it works with my 930d.
I'll say this - a UHD/HDR calibration disc CANNOT get here fast enough!

Final thoughts for tonight, the build quality and packaging is excellent, remote is awesome IMO however - when I pulled the BDP-95 from my rack I felt a twinge of pain. As good/solid as the 203 is, it's clearly no xx5 series. Even the power cord is like 1/3 the gauge of my 95 one.
May be moving to a 205 once it's out, despite no longer using analog for audio.


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In my case, it's not worth it. My TV is almost 10 years old and is only a 720P display. I will be upgrading it fairly soon (maybe). I'm just waiting for all this UHD/HDR bleeding edge technology to get worked out.

I should have learned my lesson when I bought my TV. At the time, it was pretty much bleeding edge. Maybe I should just wait for another year until things get worked out. But by then, all my gear will probably be obsolete and non compatible with anything currently on the market at that time.
it's obsolete now I would guess.
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Beta testers tend to have a mix of stuff... In my case I don't have a HDCP 2.2 compatible AVR or display. I'm using a Denon AVP-A1HDCI (with the 3D upgrade, which brings it to HDCP 1.4) and a Mitsubishi 1080P DLP RPTV (also HDCP 1.4) and have no issues.
In my case, the TV is likely HDMI version 1.0 or 1.1 at best. However, all my other devices work with it that are going through the Marantz.
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If you can replicate this on a variety of media, please report your results to OPPO Support.

As experiment, you might try to see if you get the same behavior at different output resolutions.

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Thanks Bill, is there an email I can contact Oppo support with? I'd really love to let them know all the issues I see.
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Thanks Bill, is there an email I can contact Oppo support with? I'd really love to let them know all the issues I see.
Try their form: http://www.oppodigital.com/ContactUs.aspx

It's a small place and your info will get to the right people.

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Beta testers tend to have a mix of stuff... In my case I don't have a HDCP 2.2 compatible AVR or display. I'm using a Denon AVP-A1HDCI (with the 3D upgrade, which brings it to HDCP 1.4) and a Mitsubishi 1080P DLP RPTV (also HDCP 1.4) and have no issues.
I guess I should clarify that I will only be watching standard HD Blu-ray disks until I upgrade my TV. Is this still going to be a problem with the BDP-203?
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I am seeing the same thing. I thought it was just me but it is just like you described. It is like it's dropping a frame. The pic stutters for just a sec then resumes normally.
Glad to know Im not the only one that sees frame rate issues. I dont know how to explain it, its like the frame rate clicks every once in a while, and again, happens on both Blu-ray and UHD discs.

Someone responded to me and said, try and see if changing resolution makes a difference. I'd like to report this to Oppo.

Just wondering what TV or projector you have? I have a Vizio 75 inch P series.
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Glad to know Im not the only one that sees frame rate issues. I dont know how to explain it, its like the frame rate clicks every once in a while, and again, happens on both Blu-ray and UHD discs.



Someone responded to me and said, try and see if changing resolution makes a difference. I'd like to report this to Oppo.



Just wondering what TV or projector you have? I have a Vizio 75 inch P series.


Mine is a x930d, I've seen the same.

Here is another weird one- I turned DVD 24P conversion to ON, however when I play DVD's, the enhanced info screen shows the output as /60...


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Glad to know Im not the only one that sees frame rate issues. I dont know how to explain it, its like the frame rate clicks every once in a while, and again, happens on both Blu-ray and UHD discs.

Someone responded to me and said, try and see if changing resolution makes a difference. I'd like to report this to Oppo.

Just wondering what TV or projector you have? I have a Vizio 75 inch P series.
I have a Samsung 55" KS8000. Switching out the Best Buy cable for the certified Monoprice cable seems to have solved the problem for me. I just watched a movie and did not notice the issue at all.
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I have the 940D. My 203 will arrive Saturday, so I will provide feedback then. BRB.
I'm getting the Sony XBR 940D shortly and need to decide between the Oppo 203 and the Panasonic UB900. I've ordered both, so would greatly appreciate your insights on which one to keep as part of my Atmos 5.2.2 setup. Thanks!

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Mine is a x930d, I've seen the same.

Here is another weird one- I turned DVD 24P conversion to ON, however when I play DVD's, the enhanced info screen shows the output as /60...
What's your Output Resolution? You can't get 24p from DVD unless the resolution is something/24.

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What's your Output Resolution? You can't get 24p from DVD unless the resolution is something/24.



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Your display is saying it wants 60hz. If you know it accepts 24hz (which most recent displays do) you could try a custom resolution.

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Your display is saying it wants 60hz. If you know it accepts 24hz (which most recent displays do) you could try a custom resolution.



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Makes sense, I know it does so I'll try that tomorrow. The rest of the night is Rogue One.


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The LG 2016 panels have a separate set of Picture Modes for each type of incoming content. You get to select your default choice for each type of content from the list LG offers for THAT type of content. So the Picture Modes for regular content (as from Blu-ray discs) come from a different list than the ones for UHD/HDR-10 content and a different list from the ones for Internet Streaming app / Dolby Vision content, etc., etc., etc.

Now, LG has factory defaults for EACH of these. But they've not been consistent with their choices, and they've published no explanations. One of the settings is Color Gamut. For each different Picture Mode, the Color Gamut setting has a different "meaning". So for example, two of the choices for regular content are ISF Expert (Dark Room) and ISF Expert (Bright Room). LG uses the Normal Color Gamut as default for Dark Room and the Wide Color Gamut as default for Bright Room, and folks with calibration gear have confirmed those two default choices do indeed produce the most accurate, out-of-the-box results for those two specific Picture Modes. Which means "Wide" is normal for Bright Room.

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1) The Color Gamut setting in these panels has nothing to do with which color space you happen to be sending into the LG. The LG automatically handles BT601, BT709, and BT2020 input, and

2) You can not assume the default settings in one Picture Mode have any bearing on what *SHOULD* work best in another Picture Mode. LG has been inconsistent in their NAMING of these choices.

For more info on this, it would be best to inquire in the appropriate LG panel owners threads here.

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Nothing on the screen at all?

Check that you've got the HDMI cable plugged into the correct socket. There are three on the back and only one is correct.

What shows on the front panel? If you press the RESOLUTION button a few times does anything appear on the screen?

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Bill, all the connections are in their proper place. I will try the RESOLUTION button as you suggest but that, in itself, should not be necessary with a player like this.

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Well, Bourne UHD was anywhere from fine to oompa loompa orange. When it is a good scene, it looks fabulous, but when it is off it is off (HDR strip). I think I may hang back and watch the 1080p versions until we hear more.
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Since I'm so far back in this thread, this may not still be relevant. But I have the 10 foot in place recently replacing a 6 ft (both Monoprice Certified Premium High Speed) and encountered not issues at all. This is with a Samsung K8500, but is nice to see since my OPPO is pending.
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I think I found another 203 problem. Wonder if the beta testers tried to have the 203 upscale an opera or ballet or a "live" music (classical(?)) blu-ray that has, at least, 1 track that is in PCM/LPCM? Just tried a couple of operas & a ballet blu-ray & cannot get the auto upscale to send any signals to the avr/tv. Will check if upscale will work on the Sony tomorrow.

The "Last Star Fighter" & "Peanuts" movies can do auto after being loaded in custom 1080p mode on the udp-203 & don't have any other blu-ray movies, just dvd. Will be checking the dvd musicals as well to see if the LPCM/PCM audio track disable 4K upscale.
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I been thinking about the HDR metadata stripping bug and I think a possible cause could be:
Although the oppo, which is in experimental mode, strips the metadata and stays in the 2020 color space the display devices EDID does not recognise this setup, due to the metadata being removed and hence drops into the 709 color space but is still able to receive the 2020 from the oppo which has forced this on.
Under this situation the 2020 x,y cooridinates of red, green and blue are going to be way outside the 709 color space triangle and hence cause considerable saturation which is what everyone is seeing.
Under normal circumstances this should not happen but it may be caused by oppos implementation of the metadata stripping.

Thoughts for discussion.
The 4k BD player does the mapping on the fly, based on what EDID information the BD player receives from the display. HDR off causes the BD player to map to Rec709. HDR strip should have the BD player map to the widest color space the display can do. In the case of the JVC's that will be DCI. With the 4K Sony's (excluding the VW5000) that is around 85% of DCI color space. Mapping on the fly to Rec709 is fairly straight forward and that is why it is working trouble free. Mapping to the widest color space the display can do is much harder. Panasonic seems to have done a good job with this, Samsung and Oppo still need additional work. I do not think Samsung will bother, but hopefully Oppo will make the effort. If Oppo does not rework their mapping algorithm then the Oppo will not be a good option for projector owners.
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I ordered the Blue Jeans HDMI Cable, BJC Series-1 23 1/2 AWG Belden Bonded-Pair, 20 foot, Black. The Audioquest Cinnamon cable works for video but not the home page menu which is 4k/60. The home page of Oppo flickers on and off with the Audioquest. It says it is premium 4k on package but apparently only for short runs! Hope the Blue Jeans hdmi cable solves the issue! Anyone else use Blue Jeans hdmi cables?
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I think I found another 203 problem. Wonder if the beta testers tried to have the 203 upscale an opera or ballet or a "live" music (classical(?)) blu-ray that has, at least, 1 track that is in PCM/LPCM? Just tried a couple of operas & a ballet blu-ray & cannot get the auto upscale to send any signals to the avr/tv. Will check if upscale will work on the Sony tomorrow.
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Sure, I test discs like that all the time.

Live recording Blu-rays are almost always 1080i/60 on disc. That means the output from the player will be /60 -- for example 4K/60 4:4:4 8b or 4K/60 4:2:2 12b. 4K/60 output is much higher bandwidth than the 4K/24 used for movie discs.

Odds are your problem is simply that your HDMI cable is not able to carry that bandwidth.

To test this theory, you can lower the bandwidth by using the Custom output settings.

Select Custom > UHD Auto, Color Space 4:2:0, and Color Depth 8-Bit. Then try your Opera disc again. You should get 4K/60 4:2:0 8b output.

(NOTE: If you play a movie disc with these settings you will get 4K/24 4:2:2 8b. Not 4:2:0.)

If that works with your opera disc, then you've got pretty good evidence you need to upgrade your HDMI cable so it can carry 4K/60 4:2:2 or 4K/60 4:4:4.

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I'm using BJC HDMI cables from the 203 to my Denon X6300H and to my Sony 75XBR940D via ARC. I have been experiencing video dropouts to totally blank screens while audio works flawlessly throughout. I may get through an entire movie before it happens and then it could happen within minutes into the next movie. It happens more often with UHD than with Blu-ray. Everything worked perfectly for 4 months, then all of a sudden this. It has been happening the past three days both with the OPPO and the Samsung K8500. I ordered several Monoprice cables earlier tonight.
I was told both the monoprice and Blue Jeans were very good HDMI
Cables. Sounds like I made a mistake by ordering one! Crap! Sucks ! The Audioquest Cinnamon cable does play the 4k movies fine, it just not good at displaying the Oppo 203 homepage well. I too have a Sony 940D. I wonder why Oppo decided to make the home menu 4k/60hz ?
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I'm using BJC HDMI cables from the 203 to my Denon X6300H and to my Sony 75XBR940D via ARC. I have been experiencing video dropouts to totally blank screens while audio works flawlessly throughout. I may get through an entire movie before it happens and then it could happen within minutes into the next movie. It happens more often with UHD than with Blu-ray. Everything worked perfectly for 4 months, then all of a sudden this. It has been happening the past three days both with the OPPO and the Samsung K8500. I ordered several Monoprice cables earlier tonight.
I wonder if just going straight from the Oppo 203 to the Sony 940D will work fine? I hope so!
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Has anyone got the 203 to work with a Kuro (last gen) down-rezzing UHD to 1080p? And if so, how? The Kuro will be in use until I upgrade in 2017 to a new display. All I want to do now is play UHD discs for Atmos. I have an 8802A coming and can either connect the 203 to it or directly to the Kuro. I have read some of the posts from 12-14 reporting problems to a non 2.2 display but not sure if anyone finally actually found a way to make it work w/o error.

I can order a Fury if that's absolutely needed. I should have the 203 early next week.
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Use the Main HDMI to your TV direct, and the Audio HDMI to your amp.
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I was told both the monoprice and Blue Jeans were very good HDMI
Cables. Sounds like I made a mistake by ordering one! Crap! Sucks ! The Audioquest Cinnamon cable does play the 4k movies fine, it just not good at displaying the Oppo 203 homepage well. I too have a Sony 940D. I wonder why Oppo decided to make the home menu 4k/60hz ?
Until this past Wednesday, I too was a staunch supporter of BJC. You may not experience any of the trouble that happened to me. It's just that I have a very simple setup with all current year models in the chain and all OPPO 203 settings set to default. At least with BJC you weren't out an arm and a leg.

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I wonder if just going straight from the Oppo 203 to the Sony 940D will work fine? I hope so!
If I weren't running a full Atmos setup I would go that route.
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If I weren't running a full Atmos setup I would go that route.
I'm not. A high end 5.1 system.
Do we know for sure Monoprice HDMI will work straight from Oppo 203 to Sony 940D? My AQ Cinnamon hdmi does work for picture and sound but not for the home page which flickers! Monoprice a sure thing?
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