Originally Posted by David Aiken
For a start, if my player was showing that it was putting out "29,786 fps" as you said in your reply, I would be able to tell. After all, that's more than 1,000 times faster than the 23.976 fps on the disc so a 100 minute long film would go past in a bit under 6 seconds. I can tell you that the info display on my 203 is most definitely not saying that it is putting out 29,786 fps, just a paltry 23.976 fps, and I'm definitely not getting 29,786 fps either.
And yes, just because the player shows it is putting out 23.976 fps doesn't mean it's doing it but have you got any EVIDENCE to show that it isn't doing what it says it is? Did your dealer back his statement up with any evidence?
Does your dealer sell Oppo players, or was he trying to sell you a different player? Dealers sometimes do have an interest in supporting one product over another, and don't always tell the truth. I'm not saying your dealer isn't telling the truth but I am asking what evidence he's basing his statement on.
And FYI, if the player puts out 24 fps instead of 23.5076 fps, it would take 999 frames before it would be necessary to drop a frame in order to keep sync and that would take a bit over 40 seconds. For years DVD players in countries which used the PAL system played back 24fps sourced DVDs at 25fps, a much bigger speed increase, and no one was overly concerned or felt a need to have the player drop a frame here and there in order to keep the overall playback time unchanged. The only problem people noticed was a slight increase in the pitch of the soundtrack. Why in the world if a 1 fps playback speed error did not trigger some sort of frame drop correction, which wouldn't have fixed the audio pitch issue anyway, would someone think there would be a need to drop a frame every 40 seconds or so in order to fix an error that is 1/40th the size of the error we had with DVD? If the error amounts to 1 frame every 40 seconds, it amounts to 180 frames over the duration of a 2 hour movie and that's less than an 8 second error. No one would ever notice it so I can't see anyone trying to fix it.
All right, obviously I offended you which wasn't my intention.
Writing my reply on the go I accidentally mixed up some numbers, of course I'm well aware that it's 23.976 fps we're talking about and that's what I meant.
I've been in the video field for some time now myself and happen to be from Germany, so I'm well aware of the 25p speed-up issue in German DVDs.
There the audio is either (most commonly) pitched up slightly or it's "sliced" to fit (resulting in "pumping" sounds, for example audible on the "The Lord of the Rings"-PAL-DVDs).
In case of the Oppo (IF it's true that it outputs 23.976 fps material with 24 fps) audio isn't pitched up, so dropping a frame every some 40 seconds seems just logical to keep in sync, so I don't have reason to question my dealer's motivations to tell me this (he's an official Oppo dealer after all and I purchased my 203 at his place), especially since he usually is very well informed (it's not Best Buy or similar, but a dedicated home theater shop with a very good reputation).
I asked if someone could confirm that info.
So far nobody could.
But if you mark the statement as false I'd ask you to back that up as well.
Or do you happen to work for Oppo and have direct information?
Since I'm not the only one to have noticed these frame drops/hickups or whatever you wanna call them they are definitely there, so the question where they originate from is valid.
I never noticed anything similar on my BDP-103 the years before.
I'm open to other plausible explanations though - and possible solutions.