Official OPPO UDP-203 Owner's Thread - Page 610 - AVS Forum | Home Theater Discussions And Reviews
Forum Jump: 
 279961Likes
Reply
 
Thread Tools
post #18271 of 38237 Old 07-05-2017, 02:36 PM
One-Man Content Creator
 
wmcclain's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 24,764
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4763 Post(s)
Liked: 4679
Quote:
Originally Posted by berniesidney View Post
After reading this article http://www.projectorcentral.com/judder_24p.htm posted by wxman to help me better understand 24p video... I have another question about blu ray playback with the 203 vs my UBP-X800. If I understand the article correctly converting 24p to a 60Hz frame rate would reduce judder significantly but would also soften the picture. (another trade off?)

My Sony UBP-X800 does not have a Custom Resolution option to output an Ultra HD (4K) output resolution with a 60Hz frame rate. Reading the Oppo 203 manual... I see there is an option to output a custom resolution of 60Hz. Does enabling Oppo's custom 60Hz output significantly reduce judder from 24p UHD blu rays?

What are the advantage and disadvantages of enabling Oppo's custom 4k 60Hz output?

Thanks
It may reduce frame judder (I haven't tested it) but will introduce pulldown judder. 60/24 does not divide evenly so some frames are displayed 3 times and others 2 to make it come out.

Some people are more sensitive to this than others. It never bothered me before but I see it more now on my LG OLED for some reason.

Once upon a time North America was nothing but 60hz. 24hz was introduced to eliminate the pulldown judder.

-Bill

Review older films here: 1979 and earlier | 1980s | 1990s | Combined reviews: Strange Picture Scroll
Unofficial OPPO FAQS: UDP-203 | BDP-103 | BDP-93 | BDP-83 | BDP-80    
wmcclain is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #18272 of 38237 Old 07-05-2017, 03:19 PM
Read the FAQ!
 
Bob Pariseau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 35,366
Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5893 Post(s)
Liked: 8430
Quote:
Originally Posted by berniesidney View Post
After reading this article http://www.projectorcentral.com/judder_24p.htm posted by wxman to help me better understand 24p video... I have another question about blu ray playback with the 203 vs my UBP-X800. If I understand the article correctly converting 24p to a 60Hz frame rate would reduce judder significantly but would also soften the picture. (another trade off?)

My Sony UBP-X800 does not have a Custom Resolution option to output an Ultra HD (4K) output resolution with a 60Hz frame rate. Reading the Oppo 203 manual... I see there is an option to output a custom resolution of 60Hz. Does enabling Oppo's custom 60Hz output significantly reduce judder from 24p UHD blu rays?

What are the advantage and disadvantages of enabling Oppo's custom 4k 60Hz output?

Thanks
First of all, Viewing film rate (/24) content at /60 does not make it "softer".

Second, understand that what people are talking about here are mistakes in how the film was made, not problems with how it is rendered for your TV screen. If you see frame rate judder what you are seeing is motion that can't be captured cleanly at only 24 frames per second. It is the job of the camera crew to avoid doing that, and the job of the editor to keep that stuff out of the final product if it is filmed that way by mistake. And the methods and tricks for doing so have existed since the very earliest days of filmmaking. (For example, this is why you see more distant objects filmed out of focus during pans -- as otherwise their motion across the screen would be too fast to look good.)

Sometimes visible frame rate judder is left in the film for "artistic intent". Far too often it remains because it was too much of a pain in the neck to avoid it.

Home video gear in the US is built around 60 frames a second for historical reasons having to do with how to keep costs down for the original TVs.

But film is still shot and presented theatrically at 24 frames per second because it keeps the costs down -- whether that's cost in film stock or in storage for digital filming.

When film rate (/24) content is presented on screen at video rate (/60) some portions of the imagery have to stay on screen slightly longer than other portions. That's because 24 does not go evenly into 60. This introduces slight fluctuations in motion called "cadence judder" because the portions that are kept on screen slightly longer repeat in a regular cadence. Displaying films at /24 eliminates cadence judder.

But in a case like Casino Royale, the cadence judder from a /60 presentation has the side effect of breaking up the frame rate judder that should never have been in there in the first place. It's still there, of course, but it just becomes less noticeable to the eye. This does not mean that viewing at /60 is to be preferred. It means there's a blue-bird for that particular film where something you'd rather not have (cadence judder) helps make something that should never have been there in the first place (frame rate judder) less annoying.

----------------------------------

If you'd like to see what's going on in more detail, get a copy of "Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk", UHD. (A lousy film, but an interesting experiment in what can be done with UHD discs.) That film was shot to be displayed at /60 and the UHD disc preserves that. I.e., the content on the UHD disc is 4K/60. But the regular Blu-ray disc included in the same package has the film on disc as 1080p/24.

Compare motion scenes between the regular Blu-ray and the UHD and you'll see that the UHD captures motion much more smoothly. And that's true whether you play the regular Blu-ray as /24 or /60 to your display. I.e., the BIG difference here is whether the frame rate during filming is up to capturing the motion. If not -- that is if you shoot scenes where there's too much motion for /24 to handle cleanly -- the information is permanently lost. Simply raising /24 film capture up to /60 for display can't restore that missing information.

----------------------------------

Motion processing algorithms, like TruMotion in the LG panels, attempt to counter this by creating intermediate frames via math. That is, they try to replace the missing information with smart guesses. The problem is, any such process is based on assumptions about what's really going on. Sometimes those assumptions work well. Other times the results are godawful.
--Bob
GGA, sonichart, bwillcox and 9 others like this.

Need personal consultation/training? Or just curious about my Blog? Check out my web site!

Last edited by Bob Pariseau; 07-05-2017 at 03:25 PM.
Bob Pariseau is offline  
post #18273 of 38237 Old 07-05-2017, 03:29 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
JazzGuyy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Oro Valley AZ
Posts: 3,417
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 436 Post(s)
Liked: 445
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post
First of all, Viewing film rate (/24) content at /60 does not make it "softer".

Second, understand that what people are talking about here are mistakes in how the film was made, not problems with how it is rendered for your TV screen. If you see frame rate judder what you are seeing is motion that can't be captured cleanly at only 24 frames per second. It is the job of the camera crew to avoid doing that, and the job of the editor to keep that stuff out of the final product if it is filmed that way by mistake. And the methods and tricks for doing so have existed since the very earliest days of filmmaking.
It was even worse in the earliest days of filmmaking when frame rates like 18 and 20 were fairly common. A few early silent films on DVD and Blu-Ray are actually encoded at these frame rates but are probably folded into 30 or 60 somehow. At least 20 goes nicely into 60. 18, not so nice.

BTW, Billy Lynn was shot at and intended to be shown in 3D at 120 fps in theaters. Of course, there are only a handful of theaters that can handle this.

JazzGuyy is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #18274 of 38237 Old 07-05-2017, 04:00 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
davehale's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: US, Earth, Milky Way Galaxy, Virgo SuperCluster
Posts: 1,097
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 484 Post(s)
Liked: 397
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonathan Gulbrandsen View Post
Just wanted to mention that I am very excited about having just received my OPPO
Looking forward to really testing it out. Problem is I am waiting for 65" 4K OLED come down in price before I can fully experience it... currently I have a 55" LG OLED from 2014, which is of course awesome but no HDR or 4K obviously....
What do you guys think, hold off on watching something like Planet Earth II until I have the full system or start watching already now? :P
If you hold off, you will only wind up with shorter fingernails and numerous blank stares at the Oppo.

Sony 75Z9D, Denon 4300H, Sony 65Z9D, Denon X4311, OPPO UDP-203, ATV4K, X1X Scorpio
davehale is offline  
post #18275 of 38237 Old 07-05-2017, 04:07 PM
Advanced Member
 
jasonmichaelh's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: AZ
Posts: 757
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 364 Post(s)
Liked: 167
Looks like your questions have been answered, but here is what I saw on my E6 connected to a 203.

The panning speed in that scene varies, and the judder only looks really bad for about a second, between the first window/view screen and when Scotty first appears in the frame.

The 203 is set to auto resolution. The E6 motion setting DJ is at '0' and DB at '1'. I think that's the consensus recommended setting for LG OLED, at least the 2016 models.

For that split second it's almost as bad as the infamous judder scene at the beginning of Hell or High Water.

Quote:
Originally Posted by berniesidney View Post
Hello all... great thread... lots of very helpful folks here.

I posted this question on the 2017 LG OLED Owner thread and Sony UBP-X800 thread and thought I would try here also before I return the Sony and maybe replace it with the Oppo 203.

I bought an UBP-X800 yesterday to use with my LG OLED65B7. (The X800 is connected directly to the TV using HDMI1 out of the Sony, I'm using the HDMI2 audio only out connected to a Denon AVR X2200)

I chose the Sony vs the Oppo for a few reasons... less expensive, DV is supposed to be supported in a future update and I don't know if I need the other advanced features of the Oppo 203. The player will only be used for Blu-ray and UHD 4k movies. Where I live our internet speed is to slow to support streaming of any kind of video.

So I fire up the new X800... the PQ is great... the Atmos audio is great but the judder is terrible when the camera is panning horizontally. I was testing with Star Trek Beyond UHD 4k. Chapter 2 at ~8:30 the shot pans across the bridge looking out the windows and the judder is horrendous.

The only way I could get rid of most of the judder was to turn on the LG TruMotion and use "smooth" or set the LG "user" TruMotion "judder" way up to 9. But that introduces an unacceptable level of SOE. I usually have the LG TM user settings at DJ 3 and it worked okay with my old Sony 6500 BR player. I've tried different TruMotion settings and Real Cinema on and off but nothing helps without getting severe SOE.

I've noticed several 203 owners here also have an LG OLED. If someone could test this same scene from Star Trek Beyond on your setup and post results with your LG settings and 203 settings I would greatly appreciate it. Start at chapter 2... the camera pan begins in a few seconds.

Maybe this just a particularly difficult scene from ST Beyond for most systems to process without extreme judder. Or maybe the 203 can handle it well with my LG OLED65B7. Before I return the Sony and replace it with a 203 it would be very helpful if someone could test this scene and confirm... again I would really appreciate it.

All the best

System I | Sony 75Z9D | Oppo BDP-203 and 103D | ATV5 | Energy Veritas 1.8 (LR) | 2.0 (C) | 2.0R (S+SB) | Mirage OMD-5 (FH, RH)
Yamaha CX-A5100 | MX-A5000 x 2 | Dayton UM18-22 Sealed x2 w/ iNuke 6000DSP | Panamax Power 360 Strip
System II | Sony 75Z9D | ATV5 | Yamaha RX-A1070 | NAD T973 | Mirage OMD-28, OMD C2, OMD-5 | SVS PB12+/2
jasonmichaelh is offline  
post #18276 of 38237 Old 07-05-2017, 04:42 PM
Member
 
Spaniard's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posts: 49
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 22 Post(s)
Liked: 15
Quote:
Originally Posted by sandcracker21 View Post
I have a LG B6 OLED 4K TV that works wonderfully. Hooked into it is a Denon s910w receiver. Playing my movies is the Oppo UDP-203 UHD blu-ray player.

NOW: It doesn't matter if I'm playing a regular blu-ray or a UHD one, RANDOMLY for a moment, or sometimes several seconds, the picture will cut out to black and the audio will keep playing. Happens at random, sometimes frequently sometimes not.

Not sure what the problem is. I'm using the HDMI that was provided by Oppo and have also tried an Amazon HDMI. The Denon does not have any problems with anything else, so I doubt its the culprit.

Any ideas? Oppo themselves suggested changing output from 4:4:4 to 4:2:2 as they think its a bandwidth issue.. but the REASON I got an UDP-203 was for the picture quality, and to intentionally downgrade it seems silly.
I have the 203 hooked up to a LG G6 and was having similar problems. Once I changed the Video Output Resolution from "Auto" to "Source Direct" the problem disappeared and everything has been working fine.
Hope this helps.
Spaniard is offline  
post #18277 of 38237 Old 07-05-2017, 04:57 PM
Member
 
berniesidney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 94
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 79 Post(s)
Liked: 24
Thanks to all for your replies concerning my questions about judder in 24p content.

With regards to reducing judder from 24p blu rays... can I conclude there is no significant advantage to replacing my UBP-X800 with the Oppo 203... even though the 203 offers advanced custom output options?

Thanks
berniesidney is offline  
post #18278 of 38237 Old 07-05-2017, 05:31 PM
AVS Forum Club Gold
 
Glenee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 1,835
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 379 Post(s)
Liked: 414
Well I finally got my 203 home and hooked up to my new Samsung 75KS9000. I know some where in this thread there has to be some recommendation on the settings you guys have figure out. I have owned several Oppo's before and walked thru the settings and got things where I think they should be after Updating Firmware to 0622 and full resets. Watched John Wick 2 with basically Auto settings, looked really good. Any tips.
Thanks,
Glenee

Nothing's Impossible if you don't have to do it yourself ! Glenee
Glenee is offline  
post #18279 of 38237 Old 07-05-2017, 06:45 PM
One-Man Content Creator
 
wmcclain's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 24,764
Mentioned: 22 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 4763 Post(s)
Liked: 4679
Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenee View Post
Well I finally got my 203 home and hooked up to my new Samsung 75KS9000. I know some where in this thread there has to be some recommendation on the settings you guys have figure out. I have owned several Oppo's before and walked thru the settings and got things where I think they should be after Updating Firmware to 0622 and full resets. Watched John Wick 2 with basically Auto settings, looked really good. Any tips.
Thanks,
Glenee
The FAQ has settings for the LG OLED; you might start with those: Recommended Settings.

-Bill

Review older films here: 1979 and earlier | 1980s | 1990s | Combined reviews: Strange Picture Scroll
Unofficial OPPO FAQS: UDP-203 | BDP-103 | BDP-93 | BDP-83 | BDP-80    
wmcclain is offline  
post #18280 of 38237 Old 07-05-2017, 07:07 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2017
Posts: 17
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7 Post(s)
Liked: 5
Hello everybody. I wish you all had a very nice day.
I have a very humble HT with a 65" Samsung KU6500, a Marantz NR1607 with Polk's TL250 speaker combo, Pioneer SP-T22A-LR Atmos Speakers and Polk PSW110 sub.
I do 50% streaming, 40% Blu-ray movies and very little music.
If I want to enter the Ultra HD Blu-ray world, do you think the OPPO 203 is too much given my very low end configuration? Will I be unable to exploit all the good things that OPPO offers because my limited HT and get the best possible audio and video from a cheaper option (I'm considering a Xbox One S) or for the contrary, OPPO will make shine even low end equipment like mine?
Thanks for your time. And excuse my bad English.

Enviado desde mi SM-G950F mediante Tapatalk
sitsi is offline  
post #18281 of 38237 Old 07-05-2017, 11:00 PM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
FilmMixer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Los Angeles Area, CA. USA
Posts: 8,789
Mentioned: 174 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 2388 Post(s)
Liked: 3203
Official OPPO UDP-203 Owner's Thread

Quote:
Originally Posted by berniesidney View Post



I chose the Sony vs the Oppo for a few reasons... less expensive, DV is supposed to be supported in a future update and I don't know if I need the other advanced features of the Oppo 203.

To keep on topic of competing feature...

Sony has never said the X800/1000 would be getting an upgrade. They announced the players around the same time as the X1 Extreme sets were announced to be getting the upgrade.

And from the avforum X800 review from 06/27/17

"At the same time as the UBP-X800 was announced, Sony also revealed that their TVs using the X1 Extreme processor would be getting an upgrade for Dolby Vision. This good news was tempered by the realisation that the X800 wouldn't and couldn't support Dolby Vision, so was this an own-goal from Sony? It seemed fairly obvious at the time that Sony's decision to add Dolby Vision to certain TVs was taken very late in the day and the development of the X800 was too far along for such a significant change that would require a different chipset."

So if DV is a deal breaker, the 203 is the only confirmed DV solution vs the X800/1000.

And I own both players.... you get what you paying for in terms of usability, support and build quality.



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

Last edited by FilmMixer; 07-05-2017 at 11:05 PM.
FilmMixer is offline  
post #18282 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 12:08 AM
Member
 
berniesidney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 94
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 79 Post(s)
Liked: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post
To keep on topic of competing feature...

Sony has never said the X800/1000 would be getting an upgrade. They announced the players around the same time as the X1 Extreme sets were announced to be getting the upgrade.

And from the avforum X800 review from 06/27/17

"At the same time as the UBP-X800 was announced, Sony also revealed that their TVs using the X1 Extreme processor would be getting an upgrade for Dolby Vision. This good news was tempered by the realisation that the X800 wouldn't and couldn't support Dolby Vision, so was this an own-goal from Sony? It seemed fairly obvious at the time that Sony's decision to add Dolby Vision to certain TVs was taken very late in the day and the development of the X800 was too far along for such a significant change that would require a different chipset."

So if DV is a deal breaker, the 203 is the only confirmed DV solution vs the X800/1000.

And I own both players.... you get what you paying for in terms of usability, support and build quality.
Just for S&Gs I emailed Sony yesterday and asked about a future DV update for the X800... here is their reply:

"Thank you for contacting Sony Video and Sound Support.

Based on the information you provided, you would like to know if the player will get Dolby Vision update on it in future.

We apologize, as of now our player are only compatible with HDR 10 instead of Dolby Vision and we do not have any information regarding the Dolby Vision update for these players yet. However, please follow our communications or official Sony website www.sony.com and you'll get notified when there is any update released for these players."

So who knows if an update is forthcoming. Sony isn't saying if there is or if there isn't.

Sure I'd like to have DV in the future but right now I'm trying to determine if the Oppo 203 with its custom resolution options (not available on the X800) would significantly improve the panning judder problems inherit to poorly filmed content.( i.e.. STB and Casino Royale.) And since no one has yet to reply offering a direct answer as to whether upgrading to the Oppo 203 from the Sony X800 would significantly reduce judder problems... I'll just have to keep researching.

I do however really appreciate the detailed replies from everyone with regards to 24p filming and the limitations it imposes trying to produce blu ray movie content for viewing on 4k TVs... I've learned quite bit.

Thank you
berniesidney is offline  
post #18283 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 04:36 AM
Advanced Member
 
dianebrat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2001
Location: Boston'ish
Posts: 773
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 395 Post(s)
Liked: 377
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post
Cable elves appeared overnight and replaced all your cables with exact duplicates. Just shows you should always be nice to the cable elves.
Of course, and the Cable Elves Union, Consolidated Branch Local 948 appreciates the respect.
dianebrat is offline  
post #18284 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 04:54 AM
Senior Member
 
Hresna's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Location: Ottawa, Canada
Posts: 279
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 191 Post(s)
Liked: 139
Quote:
Originally Posted by berniesidney View Post
Thanks to all for your replies concerning my questions about judder in 24p content.

With regards to reducing judder from 24p blu rays... can I conclude there is no significant advantage to replacing my UBP-X800 with the Oppo 203... even though the 203 offers advanced custom output options?

Thanks
For motion handling, I don't think the Oppo offers anything of particular value over others (even though the forced /60 seems to be unique). However, we live in a day and age where nearly every TV sold has motion handling options built-in, which is a more effective solution to motion handling since it can make use of the panel's very high refresh rates (120 Hz for most).

But one must be aware that de-juddering via frame interpolation induces what we refer to as the "soap opera effect" (SOE) and unfortunately we 21st century humans, for the most part, can't stand it. Even poor old James Cameron eventually had to admit that shooting in 60fps just wasn't going to be 'the future'. Perhaps our children will be able to enjoy high FPS judder-free cinema in what is sure to be the golden age of entertainment. Or they'll all be watching movies in VR and think it quaint we ever bothered with 2D reproduction.

Back to the Oppo though - it offers many benefits over other players (mainly as part of its vast feature set). As well as complimentary admission to the Oppo community, which comes with a free Bob Pariseau =)

LG 65B7P
Yamaha Aventage A3060
Oppo UDP-203
PS4 Pro SSD
B&W 600 series 7.2.4 Atmos
Hresna is offline  
post #18285 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 05:04 AM
Senior Member
 
tomhorsley's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Posts: 478
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 259 Post(s)
Liked: 218
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post
^ It is not so common these days, but it used to be QUITE common that HDMI sockets could suffer pin damage -- for example if a damaged HDMI plug was inserted, or if you forced an HDMI plug in at the wrong angle. If you are curious, grab a flashlight and take a close look at the faulty socket looking for a bent pin.
I took a picture and blew it up. I see pins centered in channels, and it is possible that one pin is shoved over to the side of a channel rather than being centered. I need to try again and get a better picture from a different angle to see if that is really the case.
tomhorsley is offline  
post #18286 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 05:22 AM
AVS Forum Club Gold
 
Glenee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: USA
Posts: 1,835
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 379 Post(s)
Liked: 414
Quote:
Originally Posted by wmcclain View Post
The FAQ has settings for the LG OLED; you might start with those: Recommended Settings.

-Bill
Thanks Bill. I just missed that, years are showing.

Nothing's Impossible if you don't have to do it yourself ! Glenee
Glenee is offline  
post #18287 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 05:25 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 453
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 230 Post(s)
Liked: 482
Quote:
Originally Posted by sitsi View Post
Hello everybody. I wish you all had a very nice day.
I have a very humble HT with a 65" Samsung KU6500, a Marantz NR1607 with Polk's TL250 speaker combo, Pioneer SP-T22A-LR Atmos Speakers and Polk PSW110 sub.
I do 50% streaming, 40% Blu-ray movies and very little music.
If I want to enter the Ultra HD Blu-ray world, do you think the OPPO 203 is too much given my very low end configuration? Will I be unable to exploit all the good things that OPPO offers because my limited HT and get the best possible audio and video from a cheaper option (I'm considering a Xbox One S) or for the contrary, OPPO will make shine even low end equipment like mine?
Thanks for your time. And excuse my bad English.

Enviado desde mi SM-G950F mediante Tapatalk
Your English is great. No apologies needed. Most of us couldn't communicate as well in another language.

A couple of thoughts:
  • I tend to upgrade different parts of my AV system at different times. So, at any moment, there can always be one component or another that perhaps has more capabilities than others do. I try to somewhat future-proof my major components by purchasing a little more function than I may immediately need -- that way, it has almost always allowed my purchases to last longer than they otherwise would have. For example, my UDP-203 is Dolby Vision capable now, my AVR and OLED may not receive their DV updates for perhaps several more months, and there is very little actual DV content to play on the devices today anyway -- but there will likely be more DV content made available as time progresses, so my system will be ready when the time comes..
  • For the UDP-203, it is perhaps the most robust and most broadly-capable Blu-ray player I've owned. It's a solid build, and with OPPO's firmware updates that are far more frequent than any other player I've ever owned, I suspect will last me far longer than a less-expensive player would have provided. It is superior in older DVD upscaling from what my relatively new AVR or TV can do. The OPPO presently has some issues with it's HDMI-In, but since you are using an AVR as I am, I doubt you would care about that problem or even use HDMI-In as some others are reliant upon. I can essentially play any type of physical media I have in my OPPO, and it's flexible enough to accommodate other things I may do in the foreseeable future. My OPPO really is one of the best AV components I've ever purchased -- and I've been through a lot over the years.
If you don't have the cash or don't see yourself ever using features like Dolby Vision, those are good reasons to go with a lesser Blu-ray Player. OTOH, it looks like the OPPO can provide all the functionality your system is capable of today, and would be ready when you replace your AVR and TV with DV-capable versions some day. Good luck with your decision.
robsis, Tom C, galonzo and 4 others like this.
BertL is offline  
post #18288 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 08:28 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
Patsfan123's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Randolph, MA
Posts: 2,568
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 552 Post(s)
Liked: 359
Quote:
Originally Posted by tomhorsley View Post
I just had a breakthrough with my LG B6 and Oppo 203: After a zillion other things, I finally got to "try a different HDMI input on the LG". I switched from HDMI3 (on the back of the set) to HDMI1 (on the side) and watched all of Deepwater Horizon (which suffered from blackouts like this something fierce). There was never once a blackout after the HDMI port switch.

Now I gotta go reprogram my Harmony and rename the inputs on the LG... (Long holiday weekends are good for finally getting time to try different experiments).
I use these to route the HDMI cables behind the TV rather to keep the pressure off the ports themselves. We need 270 degree port savers for the OLED (what I linked). 90 deg points the cables forward.

https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=3850
oldsteve likes this.

LG 65C6P FW: 05.30.85 | Onkyo TX-RZ730 5.1.4 | Oppo UDP-203 | Sony UBP-X700 | Xbox One X | Chromecast Ultra | Apple TV 4K
LG 55EG9100 | LG 60PK550 | Samsung LN-S4095D | Samsung UBD‑K8500 | Philips BDP7501 | Panasonic DMP-BDT110
Patsfan123 is offline  
post #18289 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 10:13 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
wxman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 9,756
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5743 Post(s)
Liked: 4115
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonmichaelh View Post
Looks like your questions have been answered, but here is what I saw on my E6 connected to a 203.

The panning speed in that scene varies, and the judder only looks really bad for about a second, between the first window/view screen and when Scotty first appears in the frame.

The 203 is set to auto resolution. The E6 motion setting DJ is at '0' and DB at '1'. I think that's the consensus recommended setting for LG OLED, at least the 2016 models.

For that split second it's almost as bad as the infamous judder scene at the beginning of Hell or High Water.
The reason why the judder you see is not as bad on the E6, is when you use any form of TruMotion, the tv is processing the movie at 60hz and using 3:2 pulldown. To get true 5:5 cadence, you must have RC on and TM off.

TM set at 0,0 all the way up to 0,10, or setting tv with RC off and TM off are all the same. The tv is using a 3:2 cadence with 24hz material. Deblur has no effect on 24hz material, but does on real 60hz material. So if you prefer 3:2 cadence on the tv, set TM to 0,0 or turn RC and TM off.

Last edited by wxman; 07-06-2017 at 10:21 AM.
wxman is offline  
post #18290 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 10:40 AM
Member
 
berniesidney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 94
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 79 Post(s)
Liked: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by wxman View Post
The reason why the judder you see is not as bad on the E6, is when you use any form of TruMotion, the tv is processing the movie at 60hz and using 3:2 pulldown. To get true 5:5 cadence, you must have RC on and TM off.

TM set at 0,0 all the way up to 0,10, or setting tv with RC off and TM off are all the same. The tv is using a 3:2 cadence with 24hz material. Deblur has no effect on 24hz material, but does on real 60hz material. So if you prefer 3:2 cadence on the tv, set TM to 0,0 or turn RC and TM off.
On my OLED65B7 when playing HDR 4k blu rays "Real Cinema" is grayed out and can not be accessed. Although grayed out... it reads "on".

Even if TM is set to "off" RC is still grayed out and reads "on".

Is RC active if its grayed out?
berniesidney is offline  
post #18291 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 10:52 AM
Read the FAQ!
 
Bob Pariseau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 35,366
Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5893 Post(s)
Liked: 8430
Quote:
Originally Posted by wxman View Post
The reason why the judder you see is not as bad on the E6, is when you use any form of TruMotion, the tv is processing the movie at 60hz and using 3:2 pulldown. To get true 5:5 cadence, you must have RC on and TM off.

TM set at 0,0 all the way up to 0,10, or setting tv with RC off and TM off are all the same. The tv is using a 3:2 cadence with 24hz material. Deblur has no effect on 24hz material, but does on real 60hz material. So if you prefer 3:2 cadence on the tv, set TM to 0,0 or turn RC and TM off.
I've seen you post this a few times, and I've not spent any time trying to dig into it, but this doesn't make sense to me.

TruMotion almost certainly uses 120Hz refresh rate so it has someplace to put its calculated, intermediate frames between successive content frames. I suspect THAT is why Real Cinema is not a choice, as you can't use less than 120Hz refresh rate while TruMotion is doing its thing. (24 and 60 content both go into 120 refresh rate evenly, so there's no cadence judder if you display /24 content at 120 frames per second.)
--Bob

Need personal consultation/training? Or just curious about my Blog? Check out my web site!
Bob Pariseau is offline  
post #18292 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 10:53 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
wxman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 9,756
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5743 Post(s)
Liked: 4115
Quote:
Originally Posted by berniesidney View Post
On my OLED65B7 when playing HDR 4k blu rays "Real Cinema" is grayed out and can not be accessed. Although grayed out... it reads "on".

Even if TM is set to "off" RC is still grayed out and reads "on".

Is RC active if its grayed out?
Not active if greyed out. With HDR10 movies you can turn RC off and on if TM is off. However, one caveat is that with DV HDR movies, RC is greyed out, even when sending 24 fps from player to tv and TM is turned off. The question is whether DV is forcing us to use 3:2 pulldown, or the metadata is telling tv to use 5:5 no matter what, and thus RC is greyed out and not adjustable.
wxman is offline  
post #18293 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 11:03 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
wxman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 9,756
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5743 Post(s)
Liked: 4115
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post
I've seen you post this a few times, and I've not spent any time trying to dig into it, but this doesn't make sense to me.

TruMotion almost certainly uses 120Hz refresh rate so it has someplace to put its calculated, intermediate frames between successive content frames. I suspect THAT is why Real Cinema is not a choice, as you can't use less than 120Hz refresh rate while TruMotion is doing its thing. (24 and 60 content both go into 120 refresh rate evenly, so there's no cadence judder if you display /24 content at 120 frames per second.)
--Bob
3DBuff has done extensive motion testing on the 2016 E6. RC ON produces the only correct 5:5 cadence. TM on, whether at 0,0 all the way up to 0,10 produces 3:2 cadence. using dejudder is what will gradually increase to 120hz. Thus the reason why a dejudder of 10 produces SOE. I have also done comparisons. Setting OPPO to 60hz and and having either TM off, or set at 0,0 all the way to 0,10 looks exactly the same as sending 24hz from player to tv and setting TM to 0,0 or 0,10. Deblur has no effect on 24hz material.

Here is where 3Dbuff starts discussing his tests. It goes on for several pages.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...l#post53365106
wxman is offline  
post #18294 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 11:07 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
wxman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 9,756
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5743 Post(s)
Liked: 4115
Quote:
Originally Posted by jasonmichaelh View Post
This agrees with my observation, directly comparing the STB chapter 2 scene.

Setting TruMotion on in the E6 (with minimal processing) looks better than setting output of the 203 to UHD 60Hz (TruMotion on or off).
I see no difference on my E6 when setting OPPO to 60 hz, and TM off or on and dejudder set at 0. It looks exactly the same as sending 24hz from player to tv and setting TM off, or TM set to 0,0 all the way to 0,10. It's all 3:2 cadence. Now once I engage RC, I get 5:5 cadence and you will see the panning judder more easily.
wxman is offline  
post #18295 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 11:08 AM
Member
 
berniesidney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 94
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 79 Post(s)
Liked: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by wxman View Post
Not active if greyed out. With HDR10 movies you can turn RC off and on if TM is off. However, one caveat is that with DV HDR movies, RC is greyed out, even when sending 24 fps from player to tv and TM is turned off. The question is whether DV is forcing us to use 3:2 pulldown, or the metadata is telling tv to use 5:5 no matter what, and thus RC is greyed out and not adjustable.

I've tried all the HDR picture options available when playing an HDR disc. My RC is always grayed out even with TM "off".

I have my Sony X800 connected directly to the OLED65B7. I wonder if an output setting in the X800 is causing RC to be grayed out?

I do not own any DV blu rays.
berniesidney is offline  
post #18296 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 11:11 AM
AVS Forum Special Member
 
wxman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 9,756
Mentioned: 33 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5743 Post(s)
Liked: 4115
Quote:
Originally Posted by berniesidney View Post
I've tried all the HDR picture options available when playing an HDR disc. My RC is always grayed out even with TM "off".

I have my Sony X800 connected directly to the OLED65B7. I wonder if an output setting in the X800 is causing RC to be grayed out?

I do not own any DV blu rays.
That's strange. My 203 is connected directly to my E6, and I can turn RC off and on with HDR10. Is your X800 set to 60hz? If so, then RC will be greyed out.
wxman is offline  
post #18297 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 11:16 AM
Member
 
berniesidney's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 94
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 79 Post(s)
Liked: 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by wxman View Post
That's strange. My 203 is connected directly to my E6, and I can turn RC off and on with HDR10. Is your X800 set to 60hz? If so, then RC will be greyed out.
As far as I can tell there is not an option to select 60hz output from the X800... at least its not listed anywhere in the menu screen or the manual.
berniesidney is offline  
post #18298 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 11:23 AM
Read the FAQ!
 
Bob Pariseau's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Posts: 35,366
Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5893 Post(s)
Liked: 8430
Quote:
Originally Posted by wxman View Post
3DBuff has done extensive motion testing on the 2016 E6. RC ON produces the only correct 5:5 cadence. TM on, whether at 0,0 all the way up to 0,10 produces 3:2 cadence. using dejudder is what will gradually increase to 120hz. Thus the reason why a dejudder of 10 produces SOE. I have also done comparisons. Setting OPPO to 60hz and and having either TM off, or set at 0,0 all the way to 0,10 looks exactly the same as sending 24hz from player to tv and setting TM to 0,0 or 0,10. Deblur has no effect on 24hz material.

Here is where 3Dbuff starts discussing his tests. It goes on for several pages.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ole...l#post53365106
Thanks for the link! I'll have to find some time to peruse that, although, unless there are bugs in the LG firmware, my first quick take is that the results don't make sense.
--Bob

Need personal consultation/training? Or just curious about my Blog? Check out my web site!
Bob Pariseau is offline  
post #18299 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 11:25 AM
Advanced Member
 
jasonmichaelh's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: AZ
Posts: 757
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 364 Post(s)
Liked: 167
Quote:
Originally Posted by wxman View Post
I see no difference on my E6 when setting OPPO to 60 hz, and TM off or on and dejudder set at 0. It looks exactly the same as sending 24hz from player to tv and setting TM off, or TM set to 0,0 all the way to 0,10. It's all 3:2 cadence. Now once I engage RC, I get 5:5 cadence and you will see the panning judder more easily.
After reviewing a couple more times I think you are correct. I've deleted my post.

System I | Sony 75Z9D | Oppo BDP-203 and 103D | ATV5 | Energy Veritas 1.8 (LR) | 2.0 (C) | 2.0R (S+SB) | Mirage OMD-5 (FH, RH)
Yamaha CX-A5100 | MX-A5000 x 2 | Dayton UM18-22 Sealed x2 w/ iNuke 6000DSP | Panamax Power 360 Strip
System II | Sony 75Z9D | ATV5 | Yamaha RX-A1070 | NAD T973 | Mirage OMD-28, OMD C2, OMD-5 | SVS PB12+/2
jasonmichaelh is offline  
post #18300 of 38237 Old 07-06-2017, 01:55 PM
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Posts: 74
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 46 Post(s)
Liked: 7
Hi Guys, I have experienced frequent 2 second audio drops while playing UHD disc. It happens every 10-15 minutes. Regular 1080p disc plays fine. I have already updated the oppo to the latest firmware. Not sure how to fix the audio drops. Any help is highly appreciated.
Docdhina is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
Reply Blu-ray Players

Tags
203 , 203 uhd , blu-ray , denon x4300h , dsd streaming , failure , Oppo , oppo 203 , sacd dsd hdmi , troubleshooting , UDP-203 , uhd , usb

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page


Forum Jump: 

Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off