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post #19381 of 37512 Old 08-10-2017, 11:24 AM
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I assume your LG operates like my Sony OLED, and that is, the TV is going to display what the resolution is that comes into it. Your TV then upscales to fit the content to your panel from there only if it needs to. Your OPPO is doing some upscaling to 2160 it appears, before it gets to your TV.

When I use DirecTV on my A1E, it always shows 1080i or 720p (depending on the channel I select) as the input resolution, and I have my A1E doing the upscaling as needed from there. (FWIW, while the physical OLED panels are the same between the LG and Sony, upscaling algorithms are certainly different by mfgr. In my case, with my Sony A1E, I allow my TV to do all upscaling for DirecTV by default. My OPPO or Denon AVR do not make enough of a visual difference -- if any -- to my eyes with DirecTV as the source. YMMV of course.)
Okay so do you have your custom resolution set to UHD Auto? And are you seeing the 1080i or 720p by holding the info button?

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For audio playback, I've been using a Sonos Connect device via it's optical output to my Marantz SR7010 AVR where I then use the Sonos app to wirelessly control the music playback from mainly Spotify and/or local NAS source.

I'm wondering if I was to hookup the audio hook ups on my Oppo 203 if it would provide any advantage in music quality? Would I lose the ability to stream from Spotify though?
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Okay so do you have your custom resolution set to UHD Auto? And are you seeing the 1080i or 720p by holding the info button?
I do not have my OPPO in the middle of my DirecTV to A1E, so what I have my OPPO set to is irrelevant. My setup is:

DirecTV Genie --> Denon AVR --> Sony A1E
-- From a content perspective that is similar to DirecTV --> Sony A1E

My DirecTV Genie outputs 1080i or 720p (depending on the channel), just as yours does unless you have a 4K Genie.

My Denon AVR is set to do no upscaling.

My Sony A1E receives 1080i or 720p content, and upscales it to 4K.
-- My Sony A1E reports when I use it's "info button", 1080i or 720p depending on the channel I am watching on my DirecTV Genie.
In my setup, my OPPO is only used for DVD, Blu-ray, USB and occassionally streaming media from my iMac. I do not use and have no need for HDMI In, as I have an AVR that can easily handle many more sources without a problem.

Personally, unless you can visually see a difference between your LG panel and your OPPO doing the upscaling of DirectTV sources, or have run out of ports on your LG, I don't know why you'd make your life more complicated having to also turn your OPPO on each time you want to watch TV, but that's just me. I care a lot about quality, but I try to not make things more complicated for myself unless I have to. Even with my fully programmed Harmony Remote, it makes my life so much more pleasurable being able to focus on content, vs turning on more devices than I really need and twiddling with setup parameters for no significant reason that my own eyes and ears can perceive -- even if someone else on forums like this think they can see or hear a difference.

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I do not have my OPPO in the middle of my DirecTV to A1E, so what I have my OPPO set to is irrelevant. My setup is:

DirecTV Genie --> Denon AVR --> Sony A1E
-- From a content perspective that is similar to DirecTV --> Sony A1E

My DirecTV Genie outputs 1080i or 720p (depending on the channel), just as yours does unless you have a 4K Genie.

My Denon AVR is set to do no upscaling.

My Sony A1E receives 1080i or 720p content, and upscales it to 4K.
-- My Sony A1E reports when I use it's "info button", 1080i or 720p depending on the channel I am watching on my DirecTV Genie.
In my setup, my OPPO is only used for DVD, Blu-ray, USB and occassionally streaming media from my iMac. I do not use and have no need for HDMI In, as I have an AVR that can easily handle many more sources without a problem.

Personally, unless you can visually see a difference between your LG panel and your OPPO doing the upscaling of DirectTV sources, or have run out of ports on your LG, I don't know why you'd make your life more complicated having to also turn your OPPO on each time you want to watch TV, but that's just me. I care a lot about quality, but I try to not make things more complicated for myself unless I have to. Even with my fully programmed Harmony Remote, it makes my life so much more pleasurable being able to focus on content, vs turning on more devices than I really need and twiddling with setup parameters for no significant reason that my own eyes and ears can perceive -- even if someone else on forums like this think they can see or hear a difference.

Enjoy your setup and that OPPO!
Awesome explanation! Thank you! Yeah I think maybe I'll use my oppo's hdmi 1 for the Switch since I don't use the Switch everyday. And then hook my Genie directly into the B6. Thank you!

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Funny, I bought the oppo partly to do the upscaling of Directv source as I found LG sucks as upscaling. Can't speak for the A1.
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Question guys. I have Oppo connected to AVR and 4k TV as well and all works great. Now I want to add projector and when I use second monitor on AVR to hook up PJ Oppo plays all only in 1080P and I receive message my displey is not able to do 4k. Even if PJ is off and TV is on still will play only 1080p. All my equipment is in my signature.

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Funny, I bought the oppo partly to do the upscaling of Directv source as I found LG sucks as upscaling. Can't speak for the A1.
Oppo does a far better job up scaling. The difference between what it does with Uverse and what the A1E does is like the difference between day and night.

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Question guys. I have Oppo connected to AVR and 4k TV as well and all works great. Now I want to add projector and when I use second monitor on AVR to hook up PJ Oppo plays all only in 1080P and I receive message my displey is not able to do 4k. Even if PJ is off and TV is on still will play only 1080p. All my equipment is in my signature.
Your projector is keeping its HDMI input live even when it is OFF. Try turning HDMI CEC off in it, and if the input you are using supports HDMI ARC, switch to a different input.

Also try switching the projector to a different input (perhaps not connected) before turning it OFF.
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That's not a "certified premium" cable.
But the reason its intermittent is because there are regular HDCP handshakes going on all the time some fail and some do not.
You need a certified premium cable. https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=15427
The Blue Jeans cables series FE is a Premium Certified cable up to 15 feet(If you check on Blue Jeans Cables site they actually post the certification certificate for download), and is a superior HDMI cable to any of the cheapy Monoprice Chinese made cables.
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The Blue Jeans cables series FE is a Premium Certified cable up to 15 feet(If you check on Blue Jeans Cables site they actually post the certification certificate for download), and is a superior HDMI cable to any of the cheapy Monoprice Chinese made cables.
Thanks for that. So can my lg e6 be at fault?
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This generally means that you are having bandwidth or HDCP related handshake errors.

Under Video Output Setup try changing Color Space to YCbCr 4:2:2 and see if you have the same results.


If you do, then try changing Custom Resolution to UHD 24Hz so the player is not outputting at UHD 60Hz when playing a CD.

Is there any reason why I would want other (better?) than YCbCr 4:2:2? I mentioned what if the uhd bluray is 60 fps ( e.g. billy Lynn's halftime walk) and they said for those films then switch back to Auto.

I wonder why they use such a high bandwidth resolution for something as simple as cd info data?

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For audio playback, I've been using a Sonos Connect device via it's optical output to my Marantz SR7010 AVR where I then use the Sonos app to wirelessly control the music playback from mainly Spotify and/or local NAS source.

I'm wondering if I was to hookup the audio hook ups on my Oppo 203 if it would provide any advantage in music quality? Would I lose the ability to stream from Spotify though?
Not quite sure what you are suggesting? The Oppo has only a hdmi input. You don't have an alternative for your sonos streaming input.

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Oppo does a far better job up scaling. The difference between what it does with Uverse and what the A1E does is like the difference between day and night.
That's what I like best about the Oppo and I've compared 1080p blu-ray upscaling by Samsung, LG and Phillips and the Oppo does it the best. My BD collection is big so I'm happy I'm using the Oppo for the majority of my 1080p viewing.
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Billy Lynn on Oppo to Denon X6300H to Sony 65Z9D - occasional picture drop outs to black (doesn't repeat in same spots).

Output set to "Auto" - output display reads out as 4:2:2 12-bit

HQ highspeed cables all around, so far this is the only 4K UHD HDR item I've seen issues with.

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Billy Lynn on Oppo to Denon X6300H to Sony 65Z9D - occasional picture drop outs to black (doesn't repeat in same spots).

Output set to "Auto" - output display reads out as 4:2:2 12-bit

HQ highspeed cables all around, so far this is the only 4K UHD HDR item I've seen issues with.
That is most likely caused by poor quality HDMI cables.

Certified High Speed cables will not work, they can only handle 10.2 Ghz video signals.

You need Certified Premium HDMI 18Ghz cables for [email protected] 4:2:2 12 bit video.
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and is a superior HDMI cable to any of the cheapy Monoprice Chinese made cables.
Well, considering that the Monoprice certified premium cables work excellently and they work the same as any other certified premium cable, including the BJ cables, and for less money...how is it the Monoprice's are inferior again???
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Well, considering that the Monoprice certified premium cables work excellently and they work the same as any other certified premium cable, including the BJ cables, and for less money...how is it the Monoprice's are inferior again???
Explaining wave propagation through twisted pair cables and signal attenuation caused by impedance mismatches caused by bending cheap Chinese cables is off topic for this forum.
There is a big difference between the two cables and how they pass the video signals.
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I wonder why they use such a high bandwidth resolution for something as simple as cd info data?
There's two ways of looking at this. There's a good argument to be made for the menu screen being the highest possible bitrate, on the grounds that if that provides a stable picture you can be pretty sure that all your cables etc are up to the job and the system is going to be able to display anything the player throws at it.

Conversely, having the menu screen working at the highest possible bitrate is a complete PITA if something in your system isn't up to the job and makes troubleshooting more difficult.
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Explaining wave propagation through twisted pair cables and signal attenuation caused by impedance mismatches caused by bending cheap Chinese cables is off topic for this forum.
There is a big difference between the two cables and how they pass the video signals.
Well, considering that they do exactly the same thing and they have the same certifications...I guess that we'll just have to agree, to disagree!

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The Blue Jeans cables series FE is a Premium Certified cable up to 15 feet(If you check on Blue Jeans Cables site they actually post the certification certificate for download), and is a superior HDMI cable to any of the cheapy Monoprice Chinese made cables.
Please let CNET know about "Cheapy Monoprice cables" since they are the cables they use when they test their HDTV's. I have used their cables for 10+ years and never had a problem - just ordered 2 - 10 foot certified HDMI for $ 4.79 each. Maybe I should cancel and get the Blue Jean 10 foot certified for $ 30.75 each?
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Please let CNET know about "Cheapy Monoprice cables" sine they are the cables they use when they test their HDTV's. I have used their cables for 10+ years and never had a problem - just ordered 2 - 10 foot certified HDMI for $ 4.79 each. Maybe I should cancel and get the Blue Jean 10 foot certified for $ 30.75 each?
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Thanks for that. So can my lg e6 be at fault?
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This generally means that you are having bandwidth or HDCP related handshake errors.

Under Video Output Setup try changing Color Space to YCbCr 4:2:2 and see if you have the same results.


If you do, then try changing Custom Resolution to UHD 24Hz so the player is not outputting at UHD 60Hz when playing a CD.

Is there any reason why I would want other (better?) than YCbCr 4:2:2? I mentioned what if the uhd bluray is 60 fps ( e.g. billy Lynn's halftime walk) and they said for those films then switch back to Auto.

I wonder why they use such a high bandwidth resolution for something as simple as cd info data?
Yes, HDMI problems can be in any device or cable in the chain. It's unlikely in a high-end OLED, but I've read at least one or two examples where an owner had such a problem. Before I'd go there in my mind though, cables are almost always the issue, including possibly not having the male/female parts seated well enough.

IMHO, the reference to "CD" is just a generic statement. Some people say "DVD" when they mean "CD" or "Blu-ray" these days. For those of us here that are super-specific reading into every word, I'd replace their comeback with "Blu-ray Disc" and move on to the more important part of the reply.

Chroma Subsampling has been discussed ad infinitum around AVSForum. Lots of articles can be found with a little search and on the WWW -- here's one. Net is, you won't SEE a difference with even 4:2:0 for movies and TV viewing, and what OPPO suggested is a good workaround for handshake problems that has been proven by many owners -- see upthread. There are a few PC games, that IF you have the right high-end video card, will drive 4:4:4, so if that's you, I suspect you'd know it. Just give it a try. Easy.

Good luck.
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Please let CNET know about "Cheapy Monoprice cables" since they are the cables they use when they test their HDTV's. I have used their cables for 10+ years and never had a problem - just ordered 2 - 10 foot certified HDMI for $ 4.79 each. Maybe I should cancel and get the Blue Jean 10 foot certified for $ 30.75 each?
Don't take the bait folks and we have all seen how quickly these type of discussions can deteriorate quickly on AVS - plus we are headed to off-topic land

As said many times before, just make sure you buy a premium certified cable (with the sticker) from your favorite cable maker.
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Has there been any Receiver yet that is able to pass Dolby Vision? I know some companies are stating that their receivers will receive a firmware update to get DV but it hasn't happened yet & I believe its probably not going to happen for any receiver that is from 2017 & older. I just think that its going to be a hardware restriction with the Chipsets that they didn't account for. Then again I could be wrong. The reason ask is that I hate having to use (2) HDMI cables to get DV.

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Has there been any Receiver yet that is able to pass Dolby Vision? I know some companies are stating that their receivers will receive a firmware update to get DV but it hasn't happened yet & I believe its probably not going happen for any receiver that is from 2017 & older. I just think that its going to be a hardware restriction with the Chipsets that they didn't account for. Then again I could be wrong. The reason ask is that I hate having to use (2) HDMI cables to get DV.
None that I'm aware of yet.

...but my existing 2016 Denon X4300H (the current generally-available model line) has a committed "end of 2017, early 2018" to enable DV by the mfgr via firmware update. Lots of confirmation of that in the AVR threads from both mktg materials and mfgr correspondence. Additionally, it is said the higher-end 2018 models coming out in the next couple months will have DV available out of the box.
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None that I'm aware of yet.

...but my existing 2016 Denon X4300H (the current generally-available model line) has a committed "end of 2017, early 2018" to enable DV by the mfgr via firmware update. Lots of confirmation of that in the AVR threads from both mktg materials and mfgr correspondence. Additionally, it is said the higher-end 2018 models coming out in the next couple months will have DV available out of the box.
Sweet! So when your receiver becomes DV capable will you be hooking up your oppo directly into it? Or will you leave the oppo plugged directly into your A1 still?

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Sweet! So when your receiver becomes DV capable will you be hooking up your oppo directly into it? Or will you leave the oppo plugged directly into your A1 still?
I have one cable running from my AVR to OLED today (up a wall, in the attic, and down to my A1E mounted above my fireplace). All other components including my OPPO connect to my AVR without exception. I don't run a second cable like some are with their LGs, in-part because the A1E does not yet have DV support.

I'm happy my OPPO has DV support, but I now need committed firmware updates to arrive for both my AVR and Sony OLED before it all works. As I thought would be the case when I updated to my OPPO, and present AVR and OLED in the April timeframe, there is still little content I care about that is DV-enabled today or announced to become available in the near future. Even if there was, I'd buy the DV Blu-ray and let the system fall back to HDR -- then when all of my components become DV-enabled in the next few months, I'll watch the Blu-ray's all over again, just like Christmas morning with a brand new experience. IOW, the geekie part of me would like to see what DV can do, but without any significant amount of content I care about, there is no reason to run an ugly cable across the front of my family room and up the fireplace to my TV.
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That is most likely caused by poor quality HDMI cables.

Certified High Speed cables will not work, they can only handle 10.2 Ghz video signals.

You need Certified Premium HDMI 18Ghz cables for [email protected] 4:2:2 12 bit video.
Sorry, High Speed is just what I call them. They're super ultra mega something, I no longer have the packaging.

They're rated for 27.9 Gbps.

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I have one cable running from my AVR to OLED today (up a wall, in the attic, and down to my A1E mounted above my fireplace). All other components including my OPPO connect to my AVR without exception. I don't run a second cable like some are with their LGs, in-part because the A1E does not yet have DV support.

I'm happy my OPPO has DV support, but I now need committed firmware updates to arrive for both my AVR and Sony OLED before it all works. As I thought would be the case when I updated to my OPPO, and present AVR and OLED in the April timeframe, there is still little content I care about that is DV-enabled today or announced to become available in the near future. Even if there was, I'd buy the DV Blu-ray and let the system fall back to HDR -- then when all of my components become DV-enabled in the next few months, I'll watch the Blu-ray's all over again, just like Christmas morning with a brand new experience. IOW, the geekie part of me would like to see what DV can do, but without any significant amount of content I care about, there is no reason to run an ugly cable across the front of my family room and up the fireplace to my TV.
Interesting? I had no idea the new A1E wasn't DV capable yet? I'm sure it will be pretty soon then. Sounds like you've got a pretty advanced setup! LOL! Not enough DV disks out yet but the one I watched Fate & the Furious was breath taking. I might check out Kong Skull Island in HDR to see how different DV is from HDR. I hear that DV format is better off than HDR format so I need to compare the two. Thank you for your detailed explanations Bert! I don't have a receiver yet so I was just curious on how you had your set up.

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