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what is GLL?
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Gaming Low Latency. It turns all motion processing off on the Vizio. For some reason Blur and Judder set to 0 still does not turn it all off. Give that a try and sync if it fixes your sync issues with the Oppo.
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^^^ This is the SAME issue I have been having. Dolby Vision disks need different delay settings than HDR10.
Ok, sounds like this is common occurrence. I'll give Oppo a call in hopes they get enough feedback they will give it more attention. Still a great player and I figured there would be some hiccups with DV being new.

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I live in Canada, where should I buy one?
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Gaming Low Latency. It turns all motion processing off on the Vizio. For some reason Blur and Judder set to 0 still does not turn it all off. Give that a try and sync if it fixes your sync issues with the Oppo.
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I have the oppo 203 and for me it´s a mystery how you can release a "premium" product with poor (smudged) black levels on a non HDR 4K TV.

I assume they test the product before releasing it. For me it was obvious after a few seconds that something was wrong. Way to dark and non detailed image. My first UHD movie inserted in the Oppo was Independence day 2. Lots of space scenes and black details was far more worse (smudged) than watching the same movie on bluray - in the same player. On the UHD it´s like having a black filter over the image.

Read about converting HDR to SDR and that solved some but not all. The black filter feeling is almoast gone. But details in black are still not "premium".
So my question is. How is that possible to NOT see before releasing a product?
The next firmware release will be very important in this regard. Oppo has responded to me in writing that they are working on it, and as a long-time Oppo owner, I am confident they will deliver. Personally, I think that HDR-SDR conversion should have been addressed before Dolby Vision, but maybe it was a licensing requirement that made the DV implementation a priority. In any case, the next FW update (beta coming soon...?) will be telling and I'm looking forward to it.
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We have not gotten any new firmware in almost 2 months we used to get something every month it seemed. Do not get me wrong I am very happy with my 203 and it performance but i am sure there are some features that need a little tweaking like Dolby Vision . I hope oppo plans to release something soon.
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You might want to be a bit more specific than "Canada". Better questions get better answers!

The link Bill provided to OPPO's "find a reseller" has a 100 mile limit - not much use in most of Canada, it just returns "sorry" unless you're within that range.

Solutions AV in Markham Ontario seems to be the only authorized reseller in Ontario ... Contact info from Google or the OPPO website (just use a Toronto post code). Good people to deal with. I bought my 103 there.
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I am quite interested to get this player.. from the reviews this is supposed to be really good.. but here we have a thread that grows about 100 page a month or 3 pages a day. I think there seems to be too many issues? What do you guys really think so far.
I will be viewing 1080P BD and very limited UHD BD through a 1080P projector. From what I read there is some issue HDR->SDR black levels, but oh well, have the 1080P BD available
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I am quite interested to get this player.. from the reviews this is supposed to be really good.. but here we have a thread that grows about 100 page a month or 3 pages a day. I think there seems to be too many issues? What do you guys really think so far.
I will be viewing 1080P BD and very limited UHD BD through a 1080P projector. From what I read there is some issue HDR->SDR black levels, but oh well, have the 1080P BD available
Without a 4K display, why not just stick with a 1080 regular BD player? 'Better the devil you know', as they say. Surely you could find a used 103 player for sale if you desire an Oppo.

On the flip side, I do not have any real issues with my player. It performs admirably. But I use a direct connection to a 4K display (LG B6 oled), probably one of the most trouble free type uses.
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You might want to be a bit more specific than "Canada". Better questions get better answers!

The link Bill provided to OPPO's "find a reseller" has a 100 mile limit - not much use in most of Canada, it just returns "sorry" unless you're within that range.

Solutions AV in Markham Ontario seems to be the only authorized reseller in Ontario ... Contact info from Google or the OPPO website (just use a Toronto post code). Good people to deal with. I bought my 103 there.
You can buy directly from the Oppo website and Oppo also sells directly on amazon.com
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I am quite interested to get this player.. from the reviews this is supposed to be really good.. but here we have a thread that grows about 100 page a month or 3 pages a day. I think there seems to be too many issues? What do you guys really think so far.
I will be viewing 1080P BD and very limited UHD BD through a 1080P projector. From what I read there is some issue HDR->SDR black levels, but oh well, have the 1080P BD available
I personally have zero issues with my UDP-203. It's the best player I've ever owned, hands down.

Realize that some threads grow because this is an enthusiast forum with passionate people that care sometimes about more obscure functionality, or capabilities that are more unique compared to big-box players. It's well known that people with a problem will tend to tell 10 times more people, than those that are happy. E.g. it's not common to have a happy owner without any problems to create a sign-on just to come here to make a single post that they are happy with their purchase. Many enthusiasts here also like to dive into an issue and help others where they can, or sometimes just add a comment -- which adds to a thread's length. This player was also the first consumer model in the industry to have Dolby Vision, so lots of discussion continues as we all learn from that implementation, and I suspect Dolby and OPPO go through an initial learning curve with the new tech being out in the wild as new content becomes available for consumers to actually use.

SO, my net is, length of a thread and discussion does not by itself correlate to a problematic product. The UDP-203 isn't perfect. For owners that care about the HDMI In capability, it has some issues in select use cases; there are concerns about black levels for some owners; and a few other niggling issues. They are a big deal to those that have a problem with the way they are wanting to use the player, but I suspect for even more owners, the OPPO is a GREAT product. In your particular case, I agree with @glangford . If you're only going to watch 1080p and don't have a need for any of the additional capabilities OPPO provides, save your money.
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I am quite interested to get this player.. from the reviews this is supposed to be really good.. but here we have a thread that grows about 100 page a month or 3 pages a day. I think there seems to be too many issues? What do you guys really think so far.
I will be viewing 1080P BD and very limited UHD BD through a 1080P projector. From what I read there is some issue HDR->SDR black levels, but oh well, have the 1080P BD available
I have two of these. One has a defective HDMI in. I can't say anything good about the product. Getting functionality has been a struggle since arrival. What is really sad is that it is probably the best on the market.

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On a 1080p TV, which looks better--UHD Blu-ray or Blu-ray version?

OK, I only have four UHD Blu-ray titles, and each of them is packaged with a standard Blu-ray disc. I have only done very limited comparisons of the two formats on my Samsung 67" DLP projection TV. I did do the comparison with Independence Day Resurgence. I assumed the picture might be a bit better with the UHD Blu-ray, but after comparing them I found that I felt the picture was a bit better by playing the Blu-ray version. One thing is, I do not like any loss of shadow detail due to "black crush".

What has been your experience, and are there any settings on the 203 that can make the UHD Blu-ray version look better on my TV than the standard Blu-ray version? Thanks!

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I am quite interested to get this player.. from the reviews this is supposed to be really good.. but here we have a thread that grows about 100 page a month or 3 pages a day. I think there seems to be too many issues? What do you guys really think so far.
I will be viewing 1080P BD and very limited UHD BD through a 1080P projector. From what I read there is some issue HDR->SDR black levels, but oh well, have the 1080P BD available
Without a 4K display, why not just stick with a 1080 regular BD player? 'Better the devil you know', as they say. Surely you could find a used 103 player for sale if you desire an Oppo.

On the flip side, I do not have any real issues with my player. It performs admirably. But I use a direct connection to a 4K display (LG B6 oled), probably one of the most trouble free type uses.

I will be getting a 4K TV behind the screen maybe around Black Friday. I don't have 3D right now so I'm looking at this player to replace my plain BD player to try 3D on projector. I read the picture processing is better on the oppo. I can't find a used 103 for much less than the new price of 203.

But yes I am doing it for PQ and 3D. My current player is 7 years old and loads really slowly.
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OK, I only have four UHD Blu-ray titles, and each of them is packaged with a standard Blu-ray disc. I have only done very limited comparisons of the two formats on my Samsung 67" DLP projection TV. I did do the comparison with Independence Day Resurgence. I assumed the picture might be a bit better with the UHD Blu-ray, but after comparing them I found that I felt the picture was a bit better by playing the Blu-ray version. One thing is, I do not like any loss of shadow detail due to "black crush".
It's fairly pointless* playing a UHD disc onto a HD SDR display. Converting a HDR signal to SDR is not trivial and something has to give somewhere, be it in the highlights or the lowlights - this is essentially what the 'slider' on the Panasonic players does, allowing you to choose where you're losing the detail. Stick to the HD Blu-ray discs that have specifically been graded for SDR until you eventually change up to a 4K HDR projector.

* unless you're desperate for Dolby Atmos sound or potentially a bit wider colour gamut.
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I personally have zero issues with my UDP-203. It's the best player I've ever owned, hands down.

Realize that some threads grow because this is an enthusiast forum with passionate people that care sometimes about more obscure functionality, or capabilities that are more unique compared to big-box players. It's well known that people with a problem will tend to tell 10 times more people, than those that are happy. E.g. it's not common to have a happy owner without any problems to create a sign-on just to come here to make a single post that they are happy with their purchase. Many enthusiasts here also like to dive into an issue and help others where they can, or sometimes just add a comment -- which adds to a thread's length. This player was also the first consumer model in the industry to have Dolby Vision, so lots of discussion continues as we all learn from that implementation, and I suspect Dolby and OPPO go through an initial learning curve with the new tech being out in the wild as new content becomes available for consumers to actually use.

SO, my net is, length of a thread and discussion does not by itself correlate to a problematic product. The UDP-203 isn't perfect. For owners that care about the HDMI In capability, it has some issues in select use cases; there are concerns about black levels for some owners; and a few other niggling issues. They are a big deal to those that have a problem with the way they are wanting to use the player, but I suspect for even more owners, the OPPO is a GREAT product. In your particular case, I agree with @glangford . If you're only going to watch 1080p and don't have a need for any of the additional capabilities OPPO provides, save your money.
As for Example. I do not get the people that buy the OPPO 203 that do not have 4k /hdr displays. I know this player is labeled as Universal player but its main purpose was meant for 4k/hdr/DV disk. To the people on the forum that say Oppo should fix the HDR to SDR conversion first before fixing Dolby Vision issues I don't get you. If you do not have a 4k/hdr display why even waste your money on this player there are many other players that will handle your needs at a cheaper price and we do not have hear the constant complaining that the 203 cant do this or that.
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^ The player has a 2 year Warranty. Send the one with "defective HDMI In" back for service.

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I'm using the one with defective HDMI In just for DVD play. It is the unit that has the problem, not the firmware.

So far, with the other, I've had two audio drops-one was fixed with a channel change and the other a quick on and off. That matches Oppo's statement on the status of the firmware. No picture stutter or anything of major consequence.

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As for Example. I do not get the people that buy the OPPO 203 that do not have 4k /hdr displays. I know this player is labeled as Universal player but its main purpose was meant for 4k/hdr/DV disk. To the people on the forum that say Oppo should fix the HDR to SDR conversion first before fixing Dolby Vision issues I don't get you. If you do not have a 4k/hdr display why even waste your money on this player there are many other players that will handle your needs at a cheaper price and we do not have hear the constant complaining that the 203 cant do this or that.
Personally, I was six months between buying the Oppo and buying a 4K OLED, with an upgrade to a 4K capable amp in between. I needed a new player that could handle multi-region BD, SACD and DLNA duties but at the time the display I was waiting for was still six months away.
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The only issue I've encountered on my 203 was audio dropouts while streaming Flac files from my NAS. My Freenas Server has Plex Media Server installed, and I tend to stream directly from Freenas as a DLNA service, rather than Plex for movies and music. The 203 loads movies from the Freenas DLNA service much faster than from Plex. When it comes to music, using the same method, I discovered the audio drop outs when streaming directly from Freenas, but this is not the case when streaming music from Plex. So the audio dropout issue in my situation has been solved by just using Plex's DLNA Service.

Other than that, the 203 has been an excellent addition to my set up and plays all of my UHD Discs, as well as standard DVDs and Blu Rays.

My display is not capable of handling Dolby Vision, but it's a non-issue for me. HDR10 works fine.
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As for Example. I do not get the people that buy the OPPO 203 that do not have 4k /hdr displays. I know this player is labeled as Universal player but its main purpose was meant for 4k/hdr/DV disk. To the people on the forum that say Oppo should fix the HDR to SDR conversion first before fixing Dolby Vision issues I don't get you. If you do not have a 4k/hdr display why even waste your money on this player there are many other players that will handle your needs at a cheaper price and we do not have hear the constant complaining that the 203 cant do this or that.
But, if you want the Oppo brand, then you've not got much of a choice! (Unless you go used market....) So, I get why people that don't have 4K capability would still want an Oppo. And they are educating themselves here about the pros and cons. Plus, it's still a pretty good disk music player too......
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As for Example. I do not get the people that buy the OPPO 203 that do not have 4k /hdr displays. I know this player is labeled as Universal player but its main purpose was meant for 4k/hdr/DV disk. To the people on the forum that say Oppo should fix the HDR to SDR conversion first before fixing Dolby Vision issues I don't get you. If you do not have a 4k/hdr display why even waste your money on this player there are many other players that will handle your needs at a cheaper price and we do not have hear the constant complaining that the 203 cant do this or that.
1. There are many owners who spent a considerable amount of money on 4K displays before HDR support was included. The Oppo allows them to get the benefits of 4K resolution and BT.2020 from UHD discs.
2. For most titles released to date, Atmos and DTS:X are only available on the UHD discs. Many consider Atmos and DTS:X to be just as much of an improvement as HDR.

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As for Example. I do not get the people that buy the OPPO 203 that do not have 4k /hdr displays. I know this player is labeled as Universal player but its main purpose was meant for 4k/hdr/DV disk. To the people on the forum that say Oppo should fix the HDR to SDR conversion first before fixing Dolby Vision issues I don't get you. If you do not have a 4k/hdr display why even waste your money on this player there are many other players that will handle your needs at a cheaper price and we do not have hear the constant complaining that the 203 cant do this or that.


You seem to be forgetting the people that own 4k displays that don't do HDR, the people that own projectors that do HDR but not great, and the people that need the UHD disk for Atmos but not for the 4k or HDR.


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As for Example. I do not get the people that buy the OPPO 203 that do not have 4k /hdr displays. I know this player is labeled as Universal player but its main purpose was meant for 4k/hdr/DV disk. To the people on the forum that say Oppo should fix the HDR to SDR conversion first before fixing Dolby Vision issues I don't get you. If you do not have a 4k/hdr display why even waste your money on this player there are many other players that will handle your needs at a cheaper price and we do not have hear the constant complaining that the 203 cant do this or that.
Because 4K and HDR are not inseparable. At launch, there were (and still are) many displays and projectors that are native 4K but don't support HDR. Compared with the user base for the relatively new Dolby Vision (software which was rolled out months later), prioritizing HDR-SDR performance would have made sense.

The reasons I picked the Oppo over the Panny player are numerous. I am also a long-time customer and previously had (and still have) the BDP-95. I like the company, their quality, and when they say they are going to fix something, they always have in the past. For the record, I still also have my ten year-old Panasonic BD30 which is in regular use in another room.
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As for Example. I do not get the people that buy the OPPO 203 that do not have 4k /hdr displays. I know this player is labeled as Universal player but its main purpose was meant for 4k/hdr/DV disk. To the people on the forum that say Oppo should fix the HDR to SDR conversion first before fixing Dolby Vision issues I don't get you. If you do not have a 4k/hdr display why even waste your money on this player there are many other players that will handle your needs at a cheaper price and we do not have hear the constant complaining that the 203 cant do this or that.

I don't get Dolby Vision being considered as a priority over SDR issues either. There's hardly any content, and anyone who is serious about Movies watches on a Big Screen (not a TV). And all the moaning about black bars - I just don't get it. ;-)

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I don't get Dolby Vision being considered as a priority over SDR issues either. There's hardly any content, and anyone who is serious about Movies watches on a Big Screen (not a TV). And all the moaning about black bars - I just don't get it. ;-)
I'am serious about movies but I can't afford 16 grand to buy a projector.

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16 grand? I know where you can get a JVC RS420 for way less than that.

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