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post #20701 of 38830 Old 09-23-2017, 07:52 AM
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Watched Kong Skull Island DV HDR via the newest Apple TV 4K tonight on my E6, and like other DV movies on disc via the 203, there were a few scenes with elevated black bars. Paused the movie and switched the ATV to HDR, replayed the scenes, and the black bars remained black through the movie. I'm not sure why this continues with DV HDR, both discs and streaming, but it's pushing me away from buying any more DV HDR discs.
@wxman , Wait I watched it last night too via 4K HDR 10 Blu Ray disk through my oppo 203. The disk isn’t DV as it says it’s HDR 10? How did you watch it in DV?

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... Bob, excuse me, around here on this Thread you should be addressed as "Mr. Bob" not just for your Thread Post Count alone let but also for your invaluable input ! Your Post also touches on the subject matter of "Upscaling" which has been discussed in the past. This Upscale Matter has come up again in a different Thread and I am checking to see if any facts have changed or if "Upscaling" is still subjective in nature given the circumstances. Is there "really" any noticeable P.Q. difference when using the Oppo to Upscale UHD Video Content or the use of one's UHD Display to Upscale UHD Video Content ? Is there any advantage to use one Upscaling Feature over another or do these high end components use the same latest technology hardware to Upscale Video Content ? Opinions and Believes are fine for the individual when choosing an "Upscaling" Setting but real world facts and results outweigh one's opinionated preference. In the past I had tried both the Oppo and my Display to perform the Upscaling and saw no noticeable difference. If somewhere along the line something has changed to give one component an advantage over another then I will happily use that Component Setting. TIA !
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Up-scaling is math, and there are different approaches to doing it. Since both the original and the up-scaled version are digital approximations of a real world (meaning, inherently Analog) image, the math works best if the image happens to match the assumptions that went into the design of that math.

All of which is meant to say there can indeed be observable differences in quality between up-scalling in one device vs. another. And that's even assuming both devices are doing things exactly as intended -- no bugs.

For the most part, differences in up-scaling (assuming no bugs) will tend to be subtle, but folks who are sensitive to such stuff can spot them -- sometimes only using charts specifically designed to tease out such differences. As an example, the 480i to 1080p up-scaling in the OPPO players had a big step up in quality in their 10x players compared to their older Blu-ray players because the algorithms used starting with the 10x players did that up-scaling without introducing "ringing" at color edges. And DESPITE THAT, the older OPPO players were considered real champs in their up-scaling performance! It's just that the 10x players did it even better.

For the most part, though, the sorts of differences that jump out at you when you compare up-scaling devices are more likely to be due to bugs than to subtle math choices.

For example, my 2016 LG OLED panel imposes non-defeatable Overscan whenever it is fed an input resolution under 720p! You lose a portion of the image on all 4 edges, which also alters the pixel math for up-scaling. So allowing my LG E6 to do the up-scaling of 480i or 480p video is already a no-go.

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@wxman , Wait I watched it last night too via 4K HDR 10 Blu Ray disk through my oppo 203. The disk isn’t DV as it says it’s HDR 10? How did you watch it in DV?
He wasn't watching the disc. He was watching the streaming version via his new Apple TV 4K.

His point being that the floating blacks problem existed even in the streaming version (and with the OPPO player not even in the signal path).
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Hi all-


I have the Apple 4k and was wondering if I would see any gain by running it through my Oppo 203?


Right now, it's hooked up to the Yamaha 3060.


Thoughts? The Apple TV 4k audio is pretty bad since it's NOT bitstream.


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I think the only issue you’ll have is sometimes there’s a lip sync issue. I have my DirecTv genie hooked into my oppo’s hdmi in. The picture quality seems better but the lip sync issues aren’t perfect. Although I think it’s a lot since the most recent oppo update. Try Apple TV hooked into the oppo and then try it hooked directly into the tv and let us know what you think.

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He wasn't watching the disc. He was watching the streaming version via his new Apple TV 4K.
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After doing the latest official update, I got curious about Roon. It sounds pretty amazing, except for the price. My question is, when used in conjunction with the 203, does Roon display the nice sexy metadata on the TV? Or is that just through the computer/tablet? The only picture I've seen, it appears to just use the standard Oppo info screen. I guess my thought is, if it doesn't look any different on my display using my NFS, why pay for it? I do get the fact there are other benefits of Roon, just wary of the price. Thanks!

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Watched Wonder Woman 4K last night on my Oppo 203, and there was audio/video sync issues. From what I could tell the audio was just ahead of the video.

How do I fix this? Do I do it in the 203's audio delay (my past experience with adjusting this showed it didn't do anything at all)?

Or should I do it in my AVR (Marantz SR7010)?
The AVR is usually the best place to do this. But if the issue is only present for 24p content then you can also address it by eliminating some or all of your display's motion processing.
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I have just a quick question - Can anyone tell me if Oppo added the option to downmix DTS to DD5.1 for the optical port?

Earlier this year I had to return my 203 when I discovered the downmix option only worked with the audio on the HDMI port (trying to connect this to a Sonos Playbar)

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^ Yes, in current firmware. For Optical and Coax S/PDIF output.
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Thumbs up Old BDP-93 region free kit

Fixed! Well, it turns out I was simply mistaken: the BDP-93/95 region free kit does work on the UDP-203.
Why was I confused? I don't (yet) have any discs that aren't viewable on Region A, so I was trying to do negative testing, but all the disks I tried worked fine after I thought I had switched to Region B.
I now have found a disc that is only region A and verified that when I switched the player to region B, that disc did not work (Region mismatch error displayed). Switch the region back to A and then it worked.
That disc: Criterion edition of Cronos.

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I have an old BDP-93/95 region free kit from (duh) my old BDP-93 (purchased from IMEGStore [now "avsdigital" on ebay] back in 2012).
It's worked great since then.

Now I have a UDP-203 and I was wondering if the kit should work on the -203 - I note that several people have said on this thread that their older region free kits worked with the UDP-203.

The DVD part of it works just fine - it defaulted to region 0, and I was able to manually switch it to region 4 and back to region 0 (with no disk: dimmer, dimmer, dimmer, pure audio, [region code], power off).

However, the Blu-ray region free code does not seem to work. I believe it's supposed to be (with no disk) dimmer, dimmer, dimmer, mute, [1 or 2 or 3], power off.
This does not seem to do anything.

Does anyone else have this old kit working with a UDP-203?

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Is anyone else having problem with the oShare DLNA server? I installed this on my PC with Windows 10 but i still can`t access the shares in Oppo player.
I am really disappointed in how MS screwed up the SMB sharing in the Creators upgrade and now people are stuck without being able to access their shares. I wonder when they are supposed to fix this?

Is there any other working way to make the Win shares show up in Oppo again?
I take the lack of answers that there is little or no interest in finding a solution to the network sharing issues. But in case someone cares, i did find a way to make the shares become accessible again on the Oppo. The solution is Serviio DLNA server. This works well for now until MS decides that they are going to fix the mess they created with 1703 Windows version.

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I take the lack of answers that there is little or no interest in finding a solution to the network sharing issues. But in case someone cares, i did find a way to make the shares become accessible again on the Oppo. The solution is Serviio DLNA server. This works well for now until MS decides that they are going to fix the mess they created with 1703 Windows version.


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I take the lack of answers that there is little or no interest in finding a solution to the network sharing issues. But in case someone cares, i did find a way to make the shares become accessible again on the Oppo. The solution is Serviio DLNA server. This works well for now until MS decides that they are going to fix the mess they created with 1703 Windows version.
This is a Windows 10 problem mostly, if you are on Windows 10 Creators Update (1703). Some DLNA servers work and others don't. SMB seems to be mostly broken and no fix has been made for that yet. The problem seems to have to do with Microsoft eliminating some SMB types because of security issues.

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This is a Windows 10 problem mostly, if you are on Windows 10 Creators Update (1703). Some DLNA servers work and others don't. SMB seems to be mostly broken and no fix has been made for that yet. The problem seems to have to do with Microsoft eliminating some SMB types because of security issues.
Yup. Windows has removed support for SMB1 and SMB2. In order for file sharing to work the device must support SMB3 or you have to install something like Samba client on Windows PC.
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Watched Kong Skull Island DV HDR via the newest Apple TV 4K tonight on my E6, and like other DV movies on disc via the 203, there were a few scenes with elevated black bars. Paused the movie and switched the ATV to HDR, replayed the scenes, and the black bars remained black through the movie. I'm not sure why this continues with DV HDR, both discs and streaming, but it's pushing me away from buying any more DV HDR discs.

The Digital Bits posted some information in the last two months about Dolby Vision issues. Their sources indicated that there were problems with the disc authoring software (I think this is the reason for the elevated black bars) and this problem seems to not be limited to disc based Dolby Vision encoded movies........
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Yup. Windows has removed support for SMB1 and SMB2. In order for file sharing to work the device must support SMB3 or you have to install something like Samba client on Windows PC.
Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that. You can make it work if you have another computer on the same network that is not running Windows 10. I've read several things on the problem but the solutions can be super techy and not for the faint of heart. I'll leave it alone until either MS or Oppo or whoever addresses the problem.

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i have an lg e6, is appears i want to set it to 4:2:2 for best video output?
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Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that. You can make it work if you have another computer on the same network that is not running Windows 10. I've read several things on the problem but the solutions can be super techy and not for the faint of heart. I'll leave it alone until either MS or Oppo or whoever addresses the problem.
Yes it is a bit more complicated but I wasn't going to get overly techy on it. I was referring to making File Sharing work in a situation where you have Windows 10 without SMB1/SMB2 support. You can obviously make it work on anything that has SMB1 and SMB2 support. Microsoft most likely won't be backing off their stance due to security issues. Oppo could likely add SMB3 support via firmware.

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Actually, it's a bit more complicated than that. You can make it work if you have another computer on the same network that is not running Windows 10. I've read several things on the problem but the solutions can be super techy and not for the faint of heart. I'll leave it alone until either MS or Oppo or whoever addresses the problem.
That's correct. I have the Windows 10 Creators Edition (1703) running on my Windows 10 PC's, but SMB access from my Oppo's to my Windows 10 shares continues to work just fine because I configured my Windows 7 system to be the master browser. There was a pointer to a fairly long thread on the subject a while back that included instructions on how to set it up. It does require a bit of a mix of registry edits and/or group policy settings to force the Windows 7 system to be the master browser, but so far it's been working well for me. Some people have reported that forcing their router to be the master browser also resolve the problem. This is a fairly far reaching issue and affects quite a few devices, such as WDTV, not just Oppo products.
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Is anyone else having problem with the oShare DLNA server? I installed this on my PC with Windows 10 but i still can`t access the shares in Oppo player.
I am really disappointed in how MS screwed up the SMB sharing in the Creators upgrade and now people are stuck without being able to access their shares. I wonder when they are supposed to fix this?

Is there any other working way to make the Win shares show up in Oppo again?
I don't know if it is like minidlna on linux or not, but minidlna only announces itself to the world about once every 5 minutes. I found if I switched the oppo to "network standby" instead of "energy efficient" that it remained awake enough to notice and remember there was a dlna server out there.

Then I came up with another solution, using lirc on my linux box to restart minidlna via a remote command, so if the oppo or the LG TV can't see it, I can press a button on my harmony to restart it so it announces it is there again.
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Again just do what I said earlier, plex server. Works fine on windows 10. The oppo sees the shares and easily accesses them.


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That's correct. I have the Windows 10 Creators Edition (1703) running on my Windows 10 PC's, but SMB access from my Oppo's to my Windows 10 shares continues to work just fine because I configured my Windows 7 system to be the master browser. There was a pointer to a fairly long thread on the subject a while back that included instructions on how to set it up. .
Can't you just install a NFS server on the Win-10 systems?
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Can't you just install a NFS server on the Win-10 systems?
Probably, but since SMB is working for me, there's no need to. And from what I've read, the built in Windows NFS client only support the anonymous user which means no security for NFS shares.
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After doing the latest official update, I got curious about Roon. It sounds pretty amazing, except for the price. My question is, when used in conjunction with the 203, does Roon display the nice sexy metadata on the TV? Or is that just through the computer/tablet? The only picture I've seen, it appears to just use the standard Oppo info screen. I guess my thought is, if it doesn't look any different on my display using my NFS, why pay for it? I do get the fact there are other benefits of Roon, just wary of the price. Thanks!
I use Roon but not with my 203.

The Roon display is seen when viewing the Roon app on a tablet/phone or a desktop Roon app on your computer. It doesn't appear on the 203 which doesn't actually run Roon but now acts as a "Roon endpoint" which means you can select the 203 as the device to send Roon output to from your media library.

Roon is expensive but it works extremely well and provides a lot of info. If you're also running Tidal you can access Tidal from within the Roon app which integrates streaming from a music library and from Tidal extremely well.

Is Roon worth the cost? I think it is but only if you have a reasonable sized music library on your computer or a NAS drive and listen to it often, and if you like the interface and how it works with your equipment. I'd recommend trying the free trial before buying a subscription to see if you think it's worth it. I decided it was worth it for me within a couple of days of starting the trial and bought a lifetime subscription soon after that.

As far as I know Roon does not handle video files so you can't to use it as server software for a movie library. It's music only.
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As far as I know Roon does not handle video files so you can't to use it as server software for a movie library. It's music only.
If only there was something similar for Video, Kodi style. I would then push video to the Oppo. I'm not aware of anything?

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Earlier this year there were some posts about 4:2:2 passing through a Denon/Marantz would lead to extra banding (maybe only on LG Oled? I forgot). Forcing 4:4:4 could solve it, at a risk of bandwidth and processing issues. D+M and Oppo were working on the issue was said but I did not hear anything since about this. There is no newer Marantz firmware released, probably not before the promised Dolby Vision update. As this will be about direct video pass through, hopefully it will help on this too.

Or did an Oppo firmware already resolve this?
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