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Release date: November 10, 2017
Category: Latest Public Beta Test Release
Main Version: UDP20X-54-1108B
Loader Version: TF0035
MCU Version: MCU203-01-1118, MCU205-01-1220
Release Notes

1. Added support for MQA audio files on the UDP-205.
2. Improved compatibility for recently released and upcoming Dolby Vision UHD Blu-ray discs and TV firmware.
3. Improved compatibility for non-standard 4:3 aspect ratio media files.
4. General fixes and disc compatibility improvements based on recent and upcoming UHD Blu-ray releases as well as user-submitted samples.
I don't see any compelling reason to update based on these release notes.
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Disc compatibility is always a reason.
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As Bob said, there are a ton more changes which are not in the Release Notes, but for whatever reason, OPPO is no longer listing their full release notes and Beta Testers are under NDA to not disclose anything that is not public. But I will say that this is a pretty substantial firmware upgrade that has a lot of behind the scenes changes that will be beneficial to many users.
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As Bob said, there are a ton more changes which are not in the Release Notes, but for whatever reason, OPPO is no longer listing their full release notes and Beta Testers are under NDA to not disclose anything that is not public. But I will say that this is a pretty substantial firmware upgrade that has a lot of behind the scenes changes that will be beneficial to many users.
Can anybody download this beta version and test it out?

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I have question for all the Oppo owners. I'm considering buying a UHD player and before I decide I thought I'd ask your opinion on the relative improvement in picture quality over streaming 4K HDR. I currently watch 4K HDR via Netflix, amazon video and was wondering how improvement I would notice from player. As a follow up question, I've only see. HDR10 so can anyone describe relative difference with Dolby Vision. Thanks.
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Can anybody download this beta version and test it out?
Just use the link he posted, I already downloaded it.
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Can anybody download this beta version and test it out?
Anyone with a North America version 203 or 205.
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I don't see any compelling reason to update based on these release notes.
My other player (see sig) gradually lost sync with the just-released Cars 3 UHD BR disk, unquestionably (I paused and un-paused, which caused a constant stutter in the framerate, then finally had to stop and resume to get back in sync; repeatable); so this is an opportunity to see what happens on my 203 before and after updating.

edit: Update: Cars 3 was no match for the official firmware, it played all the way through without issue (although, I did select the Atmos track, as it tried playing with the DD5.1 track by default; which could have been the issue on my other player).

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Cool! Thank guys! I’m tempted to download tonight! Seems kind of fun to play around and see if anything’s changed. I for one am hoping they fix the hdmi in lip sync issue. Other than that playing DV and HDR disks look and play stunning.

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Will this firmware post public beta be released for network update in future. New 203 owner here
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Will this firmware post public beta be released for network update in future. New 203 owner here
Either it will become new production firmware and be available for network install in the future, or there will another public beta before then.

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I have question for all the Oppo owners. I'm considering buying a UHD player and before I decide I thought I'd ask your opinion on the relative improvement in picture quality over streaming 4K HDR. I currently watch 4K HDR via Netflix, amazon video and was wondering how improvement I would notice from player. As a follow up question, I've only see. HDR10 so can anyone describe relative difference with Dolby Vision. Thanks.
The 4K streams -- with or without HDR -- have additional "compression" applied to them over what you'd get playing from a UHD disc. You just have to look at the relative bit rates to recognize that. UHD discs can play upwards of 100M bits per second transfer rate.

All of the streaming services believe they've done the extra compression cleverly enough that you won't be able to see it, but really, there's no free lunch here. Information is being lost.

For me, the usual tell is in near-black scenes, which show a lot more artifacts when streamed than from disc. The streaming services work under the assumption that MOST viewers won't have their TVs calibrated properly to see dark scenes like that well -- or even at all. So they can play games down there to lower the transmission data rate.

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The key difference in Dolby Vision is that the encode can vary the lowest to highest brightness range on a frame by frame basis. HDR10 has to stick with one range for the entire film, which may require some compromises in certain scenes to get them to fit. Dolby Vision is also a 12 bit encode as opposed to 10 bit for HDR 10.

The studios have A LOT MORE practice putting out Dolby Vision encodes for streaming, at this point, than for UHD discs. And there are some signs the tools they've even using for the first disc encodes still need work.

That said, if you play a well authored Dolby Vision transfer from UHD disc -- for example "Transformers: The Last Knight", UHD -- it can look spectacular. (Just ignore the movie itself and concentrate on the eye candy.)

Another problem with Dolby Vision at this point is getting your TV properly calibrated for playing that type of HDMI video. The original scheme for doing that did not work as well as folks hoped, and a new scheme is just in the process of rolling out. This gets rather technical, but suffice it to say that a lot of folks with "calibrated" TVs for other types of content are still using "out of box" settings in the TV when playing Dolby Vision at this point. Which simply means the Dolby Vision, as good as it is today, is still probably NOT as good as the TV is capable of doing once the new adjustment scheme is in place.
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Yesterday I bought the new Cars 3 4K Blu-ray at Costco and loaded it into my 203. The default soundtrack was DD 5.1, which should have been OK for me since I only have a 5.1 system. However, the 5.1 soundtrack was totally silent; no sound at all. My first reaction was something wasn't set right but I checked everything, reloaded the disc, and still no sound. I then tried all of the other soundtracks on the disc and they all played and sounded great. I've never encountered this before. I have the latest "official" firmware version (not the beta released today), and I'm using the Oppo furnished HDMI cable direct to my Onkyo TX-NR757, which is connected by an HDMI Premium Certified HDMI cable to my Vizio M70-E3. Could this be a disc compatibility issue, or am I missing something else?
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Yesterday I bought the new Cars 3 4K Blu-ray at Costco and loaded it into my 203. The default soundtrack was DD 5.1, which should have been OK for me since I only have a 5.1 system. However, the 5.1 soundtrack was totally silent; no sound at all. My first reaction was something wasn't set right but I checked everything, reloaded the disc, and still no sound. I then tried all of the other soundtracks on the disc and they all played and sounded great. I've never encountered this before. I have the latest "official" firmware version (not the beta released today), and I'm using the Oppo furnished HDMI cable direct to my Onkyo TX-NR757, which is connected by an HDMI Premium Certified HDMI cable to my Vizio M70-E3. Could this be a disc compatibility issue, or am I missing something else?
Confirm that you have Setup > Audio Output Setup > Secondary Audio set to OFF.

If that doesn't fix it, give OPPO Tech Support a call. They can help you sort this out.
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Fellows, I'm trying to diagnose a specific audio playback problem. If you can help, most appreciated. If I can offer any further details, please let me know:
The Dolby Digital 5.1 audio mix of my Blu Ray disk of 2001: a Space Odyssey skips/glitches once every ~ one minute thirteen seconds.
This is when playing back through the L and R analog audio outputs.
The LPCM mix of this disk doesn't have any playback problems.
The Oppo's HDMI format is Auto.
The s/pdif is set to Bitstream.
A/v sync is Auto.
In terms of audio processing, dynamic range control is off, I've tried every filter characteristic setting, speaker configuration is set to Stereo downmix.

I can't replicate this with any other disk, and the exact repeating nature of the glitch makes me think there's something particular going on with the playback of this mix.
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Fellows, I'm trying to diagnose a specific audio playback problem. If you can help, most appreciated. If I can offer any further details, please let me know:
The Dolby Digital 5.1 audio mix of my Blu Ray disk of 2001: a Space Odyssey skips/glitches once every ~ one minute thirteen seconds.
This is when playing back through the L and R analog audio outputs.
The LPCM mix of this disk doesn't have any playback problems.
The Oppo's HDMI format is Auto.
The s/pdif is set to Bitstream.
A/v sync is Auto.
In terms of audio processing, dynamic range control is off, I've tried every filter characteristic setting, speaker configuration is set to Stereo downmix.

I can't replicate this with any other disk, and the exact repeating nature of the glitch makes me think there's something particular going on with the playback of this mix.
I suggest you call or email OPPO Tech Support and let them help you sort this out. They will need details of the rest of the audio and video gear you have hooked up during this, and how they are cabled. They'll also check that your firmware is up to date in the player.

As just one example, if you happen to have a Sony TV and are trying to play the track like music while the TV is OFF, there may be a simple answer. Sorting through the possibilities here is probably best done while on the phone with a Tech Support helper.
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If your player is configured for a different OPPO region, such as EU, or Australia, or if you have the special firmware release included in OPPO 203 and 205 players sold by Bang & Olufsen. This Public Beta firmware will not install.

You will need to wait for a Public Beta or Official firmware release to be issued specifically for those players.
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When will this beta version be available for EU users?
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Hello, I posted this in the Sony thread and figured to get the Oppo supporters opinion as well...I'm sure it's been discussed somewhere on here already but I haven't found much.....So my question is if you have an LG Oled and you use the Tv to do your upscaling, what is the advantage of the Oppo 203 vs the Sony? I know the Oppo has Dolby Vision, but is that really worth 3-4 times as much? Especially when there isn't much DV content available right now, plus the Sony could get a firmware update and I'm sure there will be plenty more 4K players to chose from next year with DV. I guess I don't see why you would spend so much more for the Oppo when you could use the Sony in the exact same way (figuring you use Direct Source mode and let the LG Oled do the upscaling)? They both would be 4K blu-ray players and do the exact same thing. Am I missing something here? Thanks!

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Hello, I posted this in the Sony thread and figured to get the Oppo supporters opinion as well...I'm sure it's been discussed somewhere on here already but I haven't found much.....So my question is if you have an LG Oled and you use the Tv to do your upscaling, what is the advantage of the Oppo 203 vs the Sony? I know the Oppo has Dolby Vision, but is that really worth 3-4 times as much? Especially when there isn't much DV content available right now, plus the Sony could get a firmware update and I'm sure there will be plenty more 4K players to chose from next year with DV. I guess I don't see why you would spend so much more for the Oppo when you could use the Sony in the exact same way (figuring you use Direct Source mode and let the LG Oled do the upscaling)? They both would be 4K blu-ray players and do the exact same thing. Am I missing something here? Thanks!
(a) It depends on your needs, and (b) not many of us have had the Sony to compare, or know all of it's features.

I use SMB networking every day and play a lot of imported 50hz discs. Others have SACD and DVD-A collections and analog audio receivers. Others use Constant Image Height projectors and need the anamorphic zoom features. OPPO's web page has a complete list of features.

I don't know what the Sony offers for these things.

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Atmos is Dolby TrueHD 7.1 with extra "sprinkles" directing sound to Atmos-style Height speakers.

There are such things as Atmos sound bars that have up firing speakers which bounce Atmos Height channels off the ceiling to simulate actually having Height speakers mounted up there. I would not expect to find one of these built into any TV. For one thing, the mounting of the speaker under the TV would interfere with the up firing speakers.

There are three possible answers you might get when someone tests this for you:

1) The built in sound bar is, indeed, an Atmos capable sound bar: You get Atmos (down-mixed by the sound bar for "simulated surround")
2) The built in sound bar is not Atmos capable, but is able to accept Dolby TrueHD: You get TrueHD 7.1 (down-mixed by the sound bar for "simulated surround")
3) The built in sound bar is not capable of either Atmos or TrueHD: You get the DD 5.1 compatibility track (down-mixed by the sound bar for "simulated surround")

TV's with built in speakers (not actually a sound bar) may be limited to only accepting Stereo audio over HDMI. In that case the player will send LPCM 2.0 channels when you play an Atmos track. That's the Atmos track, decoded as TrueHD 7.1 > LPCM, and down-mixed by the player to LPCM 2.0 output.

The point being, you WILL get audio from the Atmos track, but it likely won't be playing *AS* Atmos -- unless I'm wrong and LG has included an Atmos capable sound bar on your TV. While waiting for someone to test this for you, you may be able to find the answer as to what the TV can accept for audio over HDMI in the specs/manual for the TV.

(My LG is a 2016 panel, so I can't do the test for you.)
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Thank you for all your help Bob, LG did add an atmos soundbar and i get both dolby atmos and dolby vision through my TV. My question is not hardware related, it is firmware related. LG released a new TV firmware not long ago and i want someone with an LG 2017 Oled on the latest update to test it connected straight to the oppo-203, that's it. I ask because the firmware is buggy and i wanna know if i upgrade or not.
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Yesterday I bought the new Cars 3 4K Blu-ray at Costco and loaded it into my 203. The default soundtrack was DD 5.1, which should have been OK for me since I only have a 5.1 system. However, the 5.1 soundtrack was totally silent; no sound at all. My first reaction was something wasn't set right but I checked everything, reloaded the disc, and still no sound. I then tried all of the other soundtracks on the disc and they all played and sounded great. I've never encountered this before. I have the latest "official" firmware version (not the beta released today), and I'm using the Oppo furnished HDMI cable direct to my Onkyo TX-NR757, which is connected by an HDMI Premium Certified HDMI cable to my Vizio M70-E3. Could this be a disc compatibility issue, or am I missing something else?
That disc does default to the plain DD 5.1 audio track, (for reasons known only to Disney). It plays fine though, whatever issue you have is not related to the player. Your AVR should offer some info on what audio it is receiving. The Oppo also offers OSD info on what audio is being played and output.
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Latest beta does not fix the elevated blacks in the letterbox bars with some DV titles.
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The new beta seems to have fixed the bug that caused DVD sourced movie files to be displayed incorrectly (stretched)

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... what is the advantage of the Oppo 203 vs the Sony? I know the Oppo has Dolby Vision, but is that really worth 3-4 times as much? Am I missing something here? Thanks!

Maybe; it will probably last 3-4 times as long. Also it's not just about video quality but also audio quality and format support:

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I use SMB networking every day and play a lot of imported 50hz discs. Others have SACD and DVD-A collections and analog audio receivers. Others use Constant Image Height projectors and need the anamorphic zoom features. OPPO's web page has a complete list of features.



I don't know what the Sony offers for these things.



-Bill

As Bill hinted, Oppo makes universal disc players, Sony does not.
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The Dolby Digital 5.1 audio mix of my Blu Ray disk of 2001: a Space Odyssey skips/glitches once every ~ one minute thirteen seconds.

The LPCM mix of this disk doesn't have any playback problems.

Very odd. I suspect most people will not encounter this as the LPCM 5.1 is the preferred lossless format. Why not stick with that track?
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Pulling my hair out! Just got home and hooked up my new ht-st5000 with the oppo203 in hdmi1 and the soundbar hdmi our going to the hdmi3/arc on my 75x940e.

Can’t for the life of me figure out how to get Atmos working. I see the Atmos option in the language settings of the disc menu... but when playing the movie there is no indication on the lcd that Atmos is functioning (TrueHD is lit up) and pressing info on the Remote also shows track1 out of 8 as TrueHD (no atoms listed in any of the 8 audio tracks).

Can’t find any settings in the OPPO or song setup that could be throwing it off (OPPO is set to bitstream).

Halp!
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