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Can you please explain to me (in layman's terms!) how Strip Metadata works? I mean, BT2020 is a wide colour gamut, and HDR is layered on top of that right? If the HDR info is removed, why is it that the resulting BT2020 output has historically not been "correct"?
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thanks, do you know if the hardware modification for multi region bluray causes any issues with the oppo updates?
It causes no issues with updates...
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Thank's to all of you for your input.
Has anybody tried streaming movies from a NAS?
I especially mean bigger 4k mkv movies with 50GB+?
I seen the Oppo has a Gbit Lan, so it should theoretically work...
It works great. No issues here.
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Can you please explain to me (in layman's terms!) how Strip Metadata works? I mean, BT2020 is a wide colour gamut, and HDR is layered on top of that right? If the HDR info is removed, why is it that the resulting BT2020 output has historically not been "correct"?
Converted is a better word to describe than remove. With the Strip Metadata option, the Oppo converts HDR BT.2020 to SDR BT.2020. Without the Strip Metadata option, and the Oppo is connected to a non-HDR TV, it will convert HDR BT.2020 to SDR REC709.

Converting to SDR BT.2020 allows for keeping the wide color gamut that REC709 does not have. It is the algorithms that the Oppo uses to convert to SDR BT.2020 that has issues and with the latest Beta firmware has been improved.
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It’s a great day to load up on 4k disks to feed our 203s. New beta, cheap 4k material, life is good
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It’s a great day to load up on 4k disks to feed our 203s. New beta, cheap 4k material, life is good
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Anybody else suffering motion artifacts on Ultra 4K Blu Ray playback? I?ve had the OPPO UDP-203 since it came out. Firmware is current. Long since gave up on HDMI for audio due to sync errors others have reported. I do use the separate audio channel preamp outputs to an older Denon AVR-5800. Sound is awesome, so far the audio decoding makes me happy.

Video playback is to an LG OLED 65B6P, firmware also current. Picture is incredible in Ultra 4K except for motion artifacts on some movies around fast moving objects especially in areas of high contrast and detail. Currently seeing it a lot in VALERIAN AND THE CITY OF A THOUSAND PLANETS and also saw it a fair amount in GHOST IN THE MACHINE. Once I started noticing it I sort of tuned into it and now see it a lot. Very distracting.

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I'm going to watch Valerian tonight but I hope I don't notice it.

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(HDR10 is supported on the HDM Input. Dolby Vision is not supported on the HDMI Input at this time.)
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In Australia on the other hand, they have to sell players as Region Free for SD-DVD -- and thus it's OK for it to be on their support site.
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Anybody else suffering motion artifacts on Ultra 4K Blu Ray playback? I?ve had the OPPO UDP-203 since it came out. Firmware is current. Long since gave up on HDMI for audio due to sync errors others have reported. I do use the separate audio channel preamp outputs to an older Denon AVR-5800. Sound is awesome, so far the audio decoding makes me happy.

Video playback is to an LG OLED 65B6P, firmware also current. Picture is incredible in Ultra 4K except for motion artifacts on some movies around fast moving objects especially in areas of high contrast and detail. Currently seeing it a lot in VALERIAN AND THE CITY OF A THOUSAND PLANETS and also saw it a fair amount in GHOST IN THE MACHINE. Once I started noticing it I sort of tuned into it and now see it a lot. Very distracting.
I do not experience artifacts, or if I do, I'm totally visually ignorant and just not seeing anything. Have GITS too, looked fantastic on my Sony which is far from a perfect display.

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(HDR10 is supported on the HDM Input. Dolby Vision is not supported on the HDMI Input at this time.)
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I noticed I can watch HDR 10 through HDMI in from my Roku Ultra... no problems.
But although the VUDU movie shows ATMOS availability the Roku is passing Dolby Digital + through HDMI IN or Opportunity and not ATMOS>
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This suggests your player has crashed. Get in touch with OPPO Tech Support. Your player may need Warranty service. It may also be that your AVR is doing something weird while the player is trying to shut down -- perhaps related to HDMI CEC commands.

NOTE: If the player does not respond normally to a Power Off command, just be patient. After about 20 seconds a failsafe timer will force the player to shut down anyway. The next power up will be Energy Efficient (a complete reboot), even if you have Network Standby set. I.e., no need to pull the power cord.
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Converted is a better word to describe than remove. With the Strip Metadata option, the Oppo converts HDR BT.2020 to SDR BT.2020. Without the Strip Metadata option, and the Oppo is connected to a non-HDR TV, it will convert HDR BT.2020 to SDR REC709.

Converting to SDR BT.2020 allows for keeping the wide color gamut that REC709 does not have. It is the algorithms that the Oppo uses to convert to SDR BT.2020 that has issues and with the latest Beta firmware has been improved.
Thanks for the explanation! What sort of issues remain with the conversion to SDR BT2020? Also, are there any known issues with the conversion to SDR REC709?
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Hello all,
I no this topic has been discussed before, but I am an owner of a 203 and a C7. The only Dolby Vision UHD disc I have watched without ant grey bars and notieable banding issues is the new Transformers movie absolutely amazing looking. With that said when I watch any UHD HDR disc there are no issues with grey bars and I never see any type banding effects. This also happens with my 4k Apple TV? Is it a Dolby Vision issue or is it the C7? Also is there a way to force the DV version of the movie to HDR-10 with the 203? I have searched the thread for the answer and could not find it.

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First minor issue popped up this evening.... Playing Deepwater Horizon DVD rented from Netflix and near the end, sound cut out with a message that stated 'Audio temporarily muted...... cinavia error code 3' Message kept popping up through a few minutes of the movie and eventually cleared after I paused and restarted the movie. Has anyone seen this before? Thanks.
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Never mind. Was being caused by the TruMotion processing option on the LG OLED. I set it to ?Off? and the motion artifacts went away.
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Thanks for the explanation! What sort of issues remain with the conversion to SDR BT2020? Also, are there any known issues with the conversion to SDR REC709?
Just this, and yes, this info is also at the same link.

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Never mind. Was being caused by the TruMotion processing option on the LG OLED. I set it to ?Off? and the motion artifacts went away.
Yes, LG in known for crappy quality motion interpolation. Anything above TruMotion 0, 0 starts to produce artefacts and depending on how good your eye is to spot them.... Use accordingly or disable both. More in LG OLED threads.
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It’s a great day to load up on 4k disks to feed our 203s. New beta, cheap 4k material, life is good
Yes! Posting this again where it may help on Black Friday:

Distributors have evidently dropped the prices on many 4k UHD discs old and new -- even some not yet released. Prices down to $9.99 and $14.99 are common. Great chance to pad your Atmos library. Amazon and Best Buy appear to have the same prices though Best Buy says "in store only". Go to Blu-Ray.com and click on 4K to see the items on sale.
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First minor issue popped up this evening.... Playing Deepwater Horizon DVD rented from Netflix and near the end, sound cut out with a message that stated 'Audio temporarily muted...... cinavia error code 3' Message kept popping up through a few minutes of the movie and eventually cleared after I paused and restarted the movie. Has anyone seen this before? Thanks.
Some kind of a disc defect, and pretty unusual.
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Yes! Posting this again where it may help on Black Friday:

Distributors have evidently dropped the prices on many 4k UHD discs old and new -- even some not yet released. Prices down to $9.99 and $14.99 are common. Great chance to pad your Atmos library. Amazon and Best Buy appear to have the same prices though Best Buy says "in store only". Go to Blu-Ray.com and click on 4K to see the items on sale.
My player should be arriving today. Ironically, I've had: The Shallows, Oblivion, Labyrinth, Watchmen, Star Trek, and John Wick (they were all presents) pretty much just sitting here since July, after having only watched John Wick on my friend's Xbox One S. I also ended up getting Planet Earth II last week, and just now ordered Deadpool, The Revenant and The Martian since they were all on sale for $15.00 finally. Really wanted to get Mad Max, but it's still at an absurd price, so maybe later. Now if only Smyth would hurry up already with the A16.
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I just got udp203. In the box i see a hdmi premium cable and I've already bought audioquest forest hdmi cable. There is a difference between them. Which I should use? tx


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I just got udp203. In the box i see a hdmi premium cable and I've already bought audioquest forest hdmi cable. There is a difference between them. Which I should use? tx
If the Audioquest is Premium Certified, it should not technically matter. I'd start with the factory supplied one, and if you are happy with its fitment and performance, return the Audioquest!
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Video playback is to an LG OLED 65B6P, firmware also current. Picture is incredible in Ultra 4K except for motion artifacts on some movies around fast moving objects especially in areas of high contrast and detail. Currently seeing it a lot in VALERIAN AND THE CITY OF A THOUSAND PLANETS and also saw it a fair amount in GHOST IN THE MACHINE. Once I started noticing it I sort of tuned into it and now see it a lot. Very distracting.
I have a Sony A1E and didn't notice any motion issues with Valerian. I did have an issue in that I couldn't use the zoom function of the Oppo UDP-203. I usually use the 1.3x zoom.

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^ The Zoom functions are blocked for Dolby Vision output due to image corruption issues. I don’t know when or whether OPPO may be able to lift that restriction.

If you need the Zoom you can force Dolby Vision discs like Valerian to play as HDR10 instead. To do that, set HDR to FORCED, set Standby Mode to ENERGY EFFICIENT, and turn the player Off and back On again. To go back to normal, set HDR to AUTO and power cycle the player again.

Also check out the three 21:9 Aspect Ratio choices to see if one of them will accomplish what you are trying to do with Zoom 1.3x.

You will need to select that Aspect Ratio choice prior to starting the disc. I’ve not actually checked whether those 21:9 choices will work during Dolby Vision output. They may be blocked due to the same video processing issue that required Zoom to be blocked.

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Audioquest Diamond ($1k US) or nothing.

I have read complaints about some certified premium cables failing to handle the 18 Gbps data rate, but I'd place a small wager that the Oppo supplied one will work perfectly.

On the other hand, it may be appropriate to use an overpriced HDMI cable with an overpriced UHD player. (That's not sour grapes; I just bought a 203.) You won't see any performance gain, but it may make you feel good.
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^ A glass of fine wine will have the same effect, and (likely) be cheaper. AND upon repeat application, you MAY even see a performance gain!

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All seriousness aside, the folks at HDMI.ORG have actually made a significant advance in this Premium Certified program. The cable designs, and manufactured product are now actually tested against real world conditions. This is THE MAJOR DIFFERENCE between Premium Certified and the prior "High Speed" cables which were (and continue to be), quite legitimately sold as 4K compatible because HDMI.ORG blithely believed that was TRUE! -- until they actually tried it. They are not.

(HDMI.ORG has not rescinded that marketing. Manufacturers are *STILL* allowed to sell "High Speed" cables as good for 4K. HDMI.ORG simply says Premium Certified is better. Deep sigh....)

Physical problem areas of the design are also addressed in the Premium Certified program.

And the fancy hologram label directly addresses the problem of "fake" cables -- cables which fraudulently claim to be tested and approved per prior HDMI cabling standards (but never actually were). The fancy label is coded to lead back to the certified manufacturer. There's even an app you can get which will read the label and tell you what brand and model of cable you should find that label attached to. I.e., is the cable you are holding in your hand actually the cable the label certifies?

A couple points regarding exceptions:

Any cable CAN work. Variation in manufacturing insures that even a blind pig will gather an acorn now and again. The odds are pretty grim, however, when trying random cables with 4K / HDR signals.

Similarly, any cable can FAIL! Even a Premium Certified cable. Like all manufactured products, there will be some small percentage which are faulty (and should be exchanged). But right now, buying Premium Certified cables is your best shot at insuring the Odds Will Ever Be In Your Favor.

By the way. This is true for *ANY* use of HDMI. Even for cables that are *NOT* expected to carry 4K signals. The Premium Certified program is, quite simply, the best HDMI.ORG has done to date at improving the out of box user experience with HDMI cables for *ALL* uses.

And I have to keep repeating this, because the cable world at retail continues to be, let's be blunt, overpriced. Premium Certified cables NEED NOT BE EXPENSIVE. For example, both Monoprice and Blue Jeans Cable carry reasonably priced cables like this. Feel free to buy an exotic (i.e., expensive) cable, but for heaven's sake, insist that it is Premium Certified if you are going to lay down that amount of cash.

Also keep in mind that Certification can only apply to a single length of cable between two devices. *ANYTHING* in the cable path: Daisy chained cables (including shorty, port-saver cables), adapters, wall plates (used to tidy up the ends of in-wall cabling), HDMI switches, and gizmos of all sorts (such as Darbee) can screw up the signal.

Take a wall plate as an example. It simply fans out the wires in the cable on the in-wall side to present a socket for the connecting cable on the room side. As simple as it can get right? No active circuitry whatsoever. But that simple act of fan out and fan back in of the wires changes the way the signal degrades over the length of the (combined) cables on both sides of the wall plate. Even before the brave new world of 4K -- with just 1080p signals to deal with -- wall plates were notorious as a *MAJOR* source of HDMI signal failure.

Premium Certified cables are now readily available -- at reasonable prices. The major problem people face is length. Nobody has yet cracked how to make a Premium Certified cable out of twisted pair copper wire beyond a certain length (somewhere between 15 and 25 feet). If you need a longer cable, you may very well need to look to a different cabling technology such as optical fiber or ethernet-style cabling -- both of which require translator electronics at either end to present that cabling as HDMI to the devices at either end. Such solutions are *NOT* cheap, so far.

It also remains the case that the design target for HDMI cable length is 6 feet (2 meters). The circuity on either side of the cable combines to increase the odds the signal traveling the length of the cable will be useful. That requires some assumptions as to what happens to the signal as it traverses the cable. And those assumptions are based around a 6 foot target. Everyone knows long HDMI cables can cause problems. But so can short cables. If at all possible, make sure that you use 6 foot HDMI cables between every pair of devices. Even if they are closer together. In the world of HDMI, "as short as possible" is *NOT* the right answer.

Just as some people will discover long cables happen to work for them (i.e., they got lucky), some people will also discover that short cables work without problems. But to maximize your odds, make the minimum cable length 6 feet and the maximum cable length as short as possible to span the required distance.

By the way, the older the device at either end of the cable, the more finicky all this stuff will be. HDMI chips have evolved dramatically over time. So if you are using something like a cable or satellite TV box that has HDMI transmitter chips from the steam and string era, you will want to be as particular as you can in choosing HDMI cables to maximize your odds.

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First minor issue popped up this evening.... Playing Deepwater Horizon DVD rented from Netflix and near the end, sound cut out with a message that stated 'Audio temporarily muted...... cinavia error code 3' Message kept popping up through a few minutes of the movie and eventually cleared after I paused and restarted the movie. Has anyone seen this before? Thanks.
As posted above, this is probably a defect in your copy of the disc. But if you are willing, please do get in touch with OPPO Tech Support before you exchange the disc. You can use the Email Us link on OPPO's Support page for the player:

http://www.oppodigital.com/blu-ray-u...3-Support.aspx

Tech Support typically monitors that email even on weekends and holidays.

They may want to ask you to send them the failing disc so they can see why it is failing. (They'd get you a working disc in replacement, of course.) It's possible they may already have "bad batch" history with this disc, so won't need your copy.

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Just so you know, Cinavia is a copy protection technology used by some studios. It is a digital "watermark", WAY spread out along the audio track of the feature, combined with physical features of the disc that are picked up when the disc is loaded. Cinavia detection is required of all current players by Blu-ray licensing. If the watermark is found, then it must match the physical features (which must also be present) or the disc is deemed an illegal copy, and the audio track is muted.

I don't happen to know what an Error 3 would mean.

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ETA: I just spotted you said this was a Netflix RENTAL. This complicates things slightly, but it would still be good to get in touch with OPPO on the problem.

If they ask you to send the disc, send it with the Netflix return mailer. They can check out what's up with the disc and then return it directly to Netflix for you.

Be advised that Netflix frequently stocks "Rental Specials". These are discs specifically authored by the studios for Netflix -- discs the studios sell to Netflix at a reduced price. There have been MANY instances of authoring errors cropping up in such Rental Specials -- although a Cinavia failure like this would be quite rare.
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