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OK Everyone. I just spent 15 minutes on the phone with the Oppo Digital rep and here's what's going on. Sony has decided to implement a special low-latency profile for Dolby Vision. This apparently is a new profile Dolby created just for Sony. This is very different from the profiles done by LG and Vizio, who implement the full standard profile. How Sony was able to get this kind of special treatment is another topic.

For the low-latency profile, more pre-processing work is done prior to passing the data to the TV. For the full DV profile implemented by LG and Vizio, most of the processing is done by the TV itself. What this means is that both Oppo as well as Dolby and the chip vendor, MediaTec, have to add firmware to do the preprocessing. It's strictly a matter of how the processing is distributed and doesn't affect video quality.

My understanding is that Sony has no intention whatsoever to support the full profile. They are leaving it strictly up to the source providers to support low-latency.

The timeline for a new firmware drop from Oppo with low-latency profile support is April.
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I can confirm most of this, but did not break it as I was asked not to leak it. Not sure if or what MediaTec would need to do, but they may need to grant access (open the SoC) to the new low latency format.

Sony's low latency mode has several advantages and I hope more DV capable devices enable the features that this faster processing offers. Sony's “low latency mode” protocol of Dolby Vision's HDR requires the DV source device to do more of the DV video processing heavy lifting.

Also not sure it will be as long as April for the low latency format to be upgraded on OPPO and other DV capable devices or that Sony or Dolby won't intercede sooner.

This will be worked out and in the end it will benefit everyone.
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This sounds like [email protected]#!. Sony basically made a TV that cant support the full DV profile. Then they come up with a half assed solution knowing full well for over a year that their solution was crap.

Also more importantly why would Dolby go along with this special profile for Sony only? Do they not see the [email protected]# Storm thats about to hit Sony?

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This sounds like [email protected]#!. Sony basically made a TV that cant support the full DV profile. Then they come up with a half assed solution knowing full well for over a year that their solution was crap.

Also more importantly why would Dolby go along with this special profile for Sony only? Do they not see the [email protected]# Storm thats about to hit Sony?
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Whats even worse is the Sony A1E costs more than the E7. Which has better support for DV and technicolor. And from day 1 had DV support....geesh Sony sure knows how to pull defeat from the jaws of victory!!!!


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This sounds like [email protected]#!. Sony basically made a TV that cant support the full DV profile. Then they come up with a half assed solution knowing full well for over a year that their solution was crap.

Also more importantly why would Dolby go along with this special profile for Sony only? Do they not see the [email protected]# Storm thats about to hit Sony?
I don't know whether the following is true, but the first paragraph is plausible to me. I mean if you're a company that suddenly doesn't need to put extra hardware in your televisions to support DV, then why bother? Maybe your existing hardware is barely good enough. Just make someone else (Oppo, in this case) do the heavy lifting for you.


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Sony didn't "do it's own thing." Dolby came up with a solution to get DV running on devices that used non-native hardware. Sony said "Sure we'll do that." And now we're having all these issues primarily due to the way Dolby has fragmented DV.

It's key to remember, ALL of these companies (Sony, LG, VIZIO, TLC, Oppo, Apple) are LICENSING DV from Dolby. They are not responsible for how it works or doesn't work. It's not an open standard like HDR10. If these TVs had an HDR10 bug, then THAT would be a Sony issue. But DV is a PRODUCT created and maintained by Dolby. They are responsible for its configuration and any bugs that result.

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"Sony does not support the full Dolby Vision specifications so you will need to wait for content sources, such as our UDP-203 or the Apple TV 4K, can produce software that can make the device compatible with the profile that Sony is using, or Sony will need to upgrade its profile to meet the full Dolby Vision specifications.
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We are getting complaints. Please continue the Sony DV update debate in either the Sony update thread in the HDR section or the display threads. Not everyone has a Sony display and wants to wade through posts which are not relevant.

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Complaints continue. Please continue in the Sony DV update thread in the HDR section and/or the display threads.
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Complaints continue. Please continue in the Sony DV update thread in the HDR section and/or the display threads.


Why?

This is a relevant issue for Oppo-203 owners. If the complaints are a problem, I don’t want to see any more posts about issues between the Oppo and OLED’s either.....

It’s not just a “Sony Thread” or “HDR” issue. It’s how a part of the Oppo works with a few Sony TV’s. Namely Dolby Vision.

Like it or not......DV is not working between the Sony and the Oppo. Everyone is pointing fingers and until it’s resolved, how can this subject be taboo in this thread ?


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Why?

This is a relevant issue for Oppo-203 owners. If the complaints are a problem, I don’t want to see any more posts about issues between the Oppo and OLED’s either.....

It’s not just a “Sony Thread” or “HDR” issue. It’s how a part of the Oppo works with a few Sony TV’s. Namely Dolby Vision.

Like it or not......DV is not working between the Sony and the Oppo. Everyone is pointing fingers and until it’s resolved, how can this subject be taboo in this thread ?


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It is not working because Sony only implemented DV for its internal apps for the time being. If Sony had implemented DV over its inputs, then it would be. As for LG, TCL, Vizio, etc. they all have discussions on their DV issues in their display threads and/or the HDR section.


Dolby has said they will be rolling out an update to manufacturers to address the issues.
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It is not working because Sony only implemented DV for its internal apps for the time being. If Sony had implemented DV over its inputs, then it would be. As for LG, TCL, Vizio, etc. they all have discussions on their DV issues in their display threads and/or the HDR section.


Dolby has said they will be rolling out an update to manufacturers to address the issues.
Could you provide a citation of where I can find this fact documented? So far all I've seen is speculation by folks that don't really know.

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As I mentioned earlier, given the on-going issues regarding Dolby Vision (regardless of the make/model of device) I think it would be more appropriate for this forum to offer a dedicated 'Dolby Vision General Issues' topic. So all posts could be moved into it...
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It is not working because Sony only implemented DV for its internal apps for the time being. If Sony had implemented DV over its inputs, then it would be. As for LG, TCL, Vizio, etc. they all have discussions on their DV issues in their display threads and/or the HDR section.


Dolby has said they will be rolling out an update to manufacturers to address the issues.


AFAIK, Dolby is rolling out the Black level fix to everyone. I don’t believe Dolby has anything to do with the Sony-Oppo DV issue.

Oppo has said it could be April before a compatible update is available for Sony TV’s.


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As I mentioned earlier, given the on-going issues regarding Dolby Vision (regardless of the make/model of device) I think it would be more appropriate for this forum to offer a dedicated 'Dolby Vision General Issues' topic. So all posts could be moved into it...
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It is not working because Sony only implemented DV for its internal apps for the time being. If Sony had implemented DV over its inputs, then it would be. As for LG, TCL, Vizio, etc. they all have discussions on their DV issues in their display threads and/or the HDR section.


Dolby has said they will be rolling out an update to manufacturers to address the issues.
You are way off base with this one. Sony has done their DV update. It is finished. Done. It works on all their inputs and apps. It works with all their equipment. It was demonstrated at CES with their new 4K blue ray player and TV’s. It is a low latency profile not supported by Oppo or Apple. Oppo is burning the midnight oil to put together compatible firmware. Target date is April. This is an Oppo compatibility issue and very much belongs in this thread.
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Good grief....all this stuff about Sony simply confirms that my decision decades ago to stop buying their products was a good call. And their after market service is worse than their products!

Anyhoo, how can Oppo create a FW that works DV to two different standards (and why should they)? What will the impact be to those of us sensible enough not to buy Sony TVs (I know Sony has millions of satisfied customers and indeed loyal fans - I'm definitely not one of them.)

I guess looking at this the other way, will Sony UHD players process DV in such a way that they work with other brands of TV (LG, Vizio, Panasonic etc) or will they only work with Sony TVs.

It's getting slightly scary in that sense....maybe HDMI CEC was the thin end of the wedge.

Perhaps Oppo need to start manufacturing TVs. When can I pre-order cuz that would be really
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Not sure if this is exactly the same issue, but I've had issues playing 3D with my 203 that I didn't have with the 103D, and I note that your friend also has an LG TV and a Denon AVR, the same combination I have. I also play a bunch of Disney 3D.

What I finally did to stop futzing around with 3D discs that didn't want to work was to use the 203 setting that sets 3D to "forced" instead of "Auto." Since I know my receiver and TV support 3D passthru/display, I figure I don't need the 203 to have to query the HDMI chain to see if 3D can be sent for a 3D disc. Since then, I haven't had trouble playing a single 3D disc, and I don't have to change the settings for every disc I play. You don't have to worry about the "forced" setting trying to send 3D for a 2D disc -- that's a different function on the 203.
Great tip...... I also have a LG 3D TV and play a lot of 3D. Thank you.. 😀
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It is not working because Sony only implemented DV for its internal apps for the time being.
I think this issue is relevant in this thread because there have been assertions that OPPO will be providing a fix for the Sony compatibility issue. While that might be of general interest it's of particular interest to owners. I'm sure if similar announcements are made for the other UHD+DV players those owners will also be interested.

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Someone forwarded this to me:
"Content source providers, such as the UDP-203/5 and the Apple TV 4K, will likely need to receive a profile update from Dolby to be able to support the Dolby Vision profile that Sony has added to their line of televisions. This update is expected in the Spring, with an exact release date to be determined as we have to go through a whole new series of certification testing and validation before we are authorized to release the firmware to the public" -- Oppo

I'm not sure if this is off-topic, but if so, my apologies. It's information coming directly from Oppo concerning firmware development for the player mentioned in the subject of this thread.
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You are way off base with this one. Sony has done their DV update. It is finished. Done. It works on all their inputs and apps. It works with all their equipment. It was demonstrated at CES with their new 4K blue ray player and TV’s. It is a low latency profile not supported by Oppo or Apple. Oppo is burning the midnight oil to put together compatible firmware. Target date is April. This is an Oppo compatibility issue and very much belongs in this thread.
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I imagine Oppo has a limited number of resources they can devote to firmware updates. I have been looking forward to the non-public beta for HDR to SDR conversion they have been working on to be released as a public beta. I hope they don't have to drop or delay work on this to satisfy Sony's requirement for a "special for me" DV implementation.
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Good grief....all this stuff about Sony simply confirms that my decision decades ago to stop buying their products was a good call. And their after market service is worse than their products!

Anyhoo, how can Oppo create a FW that works DV to two different standards (and why should they)? What will the impact be to those of us sensible enough not to buy Sony TVs (I know Sony has millions of satisfied customers and indeed loyal fans - I'm definitely not one of them.)

I guess looking at this the other way, will Sony UHD players process DV in such a way that they work with other brands of TV (LG, Vizio, Panasonic etc) or will they only work with Sony TVs.

It's getting slightly scary in that sense....maybe HDMI CEC was the thin end of the wedge.

Perhaps Oppo need to start manufacturing TVs. When can I pre-order cuz that would be really
It's done via HDMI DV messaging to figure out which interface to use.
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I imagine Oppo has a limited number of resources they can devote to firmware updates. I have been looking forward to the non-public beta for HDR to SDR conversion they have been working on to be released as a public beta. I hope they don't have to drop or delay work on this to satisfy Sony's requirement for a "special for me" DV implementation.
Dolby, not Sony, developed the "low latency" DV profile for Sony. Dolby, not Sony, failed to provide a concurrent capability for "streamers" and players. I seriously doubt that Sony has any requirement or is in any hurry for the Oppo update. Their own DV HDR player was demonstrated at CES (with a Sony Android) and will be released in a few months. Do you think it will support the "low latency" profile?
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Anyone else notice how our beta testers have gone silent on this topic? Eventually they will be able to share.

As for Sony, from the cheap seats it seems as if they needed Dolby to help them with a solution that would work with their existing hardware (chips). I'm curious if "low latency" is a superior solution vs. what the others (LG, Vizio, TLC) are doing as claimed by an infamous seller of displays is true. Time will tell
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I may be wide of the mark here, but purely from the description, this sounds like Dolby is trying to make Dolby Vision viable as a gaming technology to rival HDR10 and have convinced Sony to join them. I don't think it will in any way be superior for movie/TV watching.

It quite possibly will make their sets permanently incompatible with some DV UHD players that don't have the spare processing capacity for their end. I'd be worried that LG's cheap DV player might not be updated for example. Hopefully, the Oppo does have the spare oomph, but we will see.
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Dolby Vision

Hi,

- For those that have used Dolby Vision on this player, are you satisfied with the PQ?
- Does this player support Dolby Atmos and DTS-X?
- How is the sound quality if I use it with Sony HTST-5000 soundbar?

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Are all the output terminals live at the same time? In other words, could I seamlessly switch between HDMI, 5.1 analog out, and stereo analog out on the fly with one source playing?
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Are all the output terminals live at the same time? In other words, could I seamlessly switch between HDMI, 5.1 analog out, and stereo analog out on the fly with one source playing?
Yes.

However if you want to wire 5.1 Analog and Stereo Analog into separate inputs of your AVR you should look at the 205 instead of the 203. The 205 has Dedicated Stereo Analog outputs (an RCA pair and an XLR pair) in addition to the 7.1 channel multi-channel Analog RCA set. The 203 has only the 7.1 channel multi-channel Analog set. It is easy to configure that for Stereo output if you want, but if you have it wired into your multi-channel Analog input on the AVR you won't have separate jacks to wire into a separate Stereo input on the AVR.
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- For those that have used Dolby Vision on this player, are you satisfied with the PQ?
It's well known that there's an issue with black levels in the letterbox bars with a fix coming from Dolby that the TV manufactures will need to integrate into their firmware. Otherwise, people seem to be satisfied unless they own a Sony TV (please read the last few pages of the thread before asking why...).

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- Does this player support Dolby Atmos and DTS-X?
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- How is the sound quality if I use it with Sony HTST-5000 soundbar?
That's more a question of how good the Sony soundbar is as the Oppo isn't going to be the limiting factor here. I'm not a soundbar guy, so I have no idea how that Sony model stacks up against other options, but suspect I can safely assume it won't be nearly as good a a good pre-pro/amp combination (or a decent AVR) and a set of nice speakers. But this is a question that is best addressed in a different thread.

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Are all the output terminals live at the same time? In other words, could I seamlessly switch between HDMI, 5.1 analog out, and stereo analog out on the fly with one source playing?
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- For those that have used Dolby Vision on this player, are you satisfied with the PQ?
Are you asking people to contrast DV with HDR10? Opinions vary; it's not really a player issue.

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You are sticking with HDMI output from the player? It is a digital transport: all players are going to sound the same.

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