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post #24121 of 37615 Old 01-22-2018, 08:29 AM
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The current HDMI specs impose limits on the high bandwidth combos. 4K/60 4:4:4 can not be transmitted at higher than 8-bit, for example, because greater bit depth would be beyond the bandwidth limit of the current specs.

The Auto settings in the OPPO get you the combo the display announces it "prefers" during the HDMI handshake. Some displays "prefer" what they think will be easier for sources to send to them as opposed to what might produce the best results. And 4:4:4 is the most common HDMI signal -- something all sources can send.

Now, 4K/60 4:4:4 8b should work just fine (unless theres a video processing problem in your display), but to keep things "simpler" I like to configure to send the same bit depth for everything. So I use:

Video Resolution > Custom
Custom Resolution > UHD Auto
Color Space > 4:2:2
Color Depth > Auto

That gets you 4K/24 4:2:2 12b and 4K/60 4:2:2 12b depending on whether the content you are playing is /24 or /60 -- assuming your display can accept both of those.
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Many thanks for the pointers, I've followed you on the settings. It now says 12 bit although I believe my TV supports only 10 bits.

In terms of picture quality, would you say better to have higher color depth (i.e. 12 bit) or 4:4:4 8b? Sorry if this sounds like a beginner question but still trying to find my way around...
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This is my first time buying a Oppo player and i appreciate that they go out of the way for their customers especially when Sony dropped the ball with their half baked Dolby Vision solution and Oppo is picking up the slack. I will strictly be loyal to Oppo from here on out as this is the basic fundamental for business that matters most and 99.9% companies lack. Not to mention i love all the info you can pull up about what signal is playing very nice touches. Oppo really is a superior manufacture and they deserve the up-most respect and i will recommend to everyone i know great job Oppo!
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-using DLNA?
-using WIFI?

If you use DLNA with transcoding (nas) turn it off
If you use Wifi get a cable

Is you nas doing other stuff? Torrents, syncing

My nas streams 4k HDR to my 203 with only some buffering delay at the start of the file.
PS i use SMB no dlna
SMB. Everything is hard-wired gigabit ethernet w/ Cat6. As I said this was all working perfectly with a 105D. The only thing that changed was the player itself, I just swapped the units. NAS is quiet, only used for storage, no torrents or other regular workloads.
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^ I'm sure this will become known as the OPPO bug, rather than Sony and Dolby moving the goalposts.

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I think Dolby takes first prize and Sony, second. Dolby has more of a stake in this, it seems to me, because this can't help their efforts to establish DV as a standard.
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Oppo as Processor / REW

I'm using the 203 as a processor, and i'm trying to use REW to measure/calibrate all speakers, basically for calculating delays for each speaker and to calculate PEQ filters for the subwoofer (PEQ for 2x4 HD).

The laptop is connected to the Oppo using the Oppo HDMI IN, and i can see the Oppo on Windows 10 Output Devices.
I can also see the umik-1 in the Input devices.

Everything seems to be correctly connected, but for some reason, i cannot get REW outputting anything to the Oppo.

Am i missing anything? Has anyone tried REW with the Oppo as processor?
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Am i missing anything? Has anyone tried REW with the Oppo as processor?
It seems i should have read the manual
Page 26 indicates how to change HDMI INPUT Selection.

So after selecting HDMI IN, its working as expected.
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Instead of all this complaining, i think we have had enough, i would really like to know, at a high level, how this new profile works. What is this "extra" processing that the end devices have to do over what they do now? It would be very interesting to understand.
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I have had my OPPO for several months and yet to have any issues with it (other than the DV black levels which will be fixed).

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So every time i listen to CD's i should disconnect the TV output of the Oppo that doesn't seem like a viable solution.

You have two options:

1. Use an optical cable from the Oppo to your receiver (or something besides HDMI to pass audio). Optical won't work for SACDs, but it will work for regular cds.

Or

2. Leave the TV on. Then press "pic off" on your remote if you want to save some energy.

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Instead of all this complaining, i think we have had enough, i would really like to know, at a high level, how this new profile works. What is this "extra" processing that the end devices have to do over what they do now? It would be very interesting to understand.
It's a matter of decoding the DV metadata, which the internal apps can do because they have access to the data stream. But, the data stream does not come through HDMI the same way. The TV would have to intercept it, process it, and then send it back out.

The intent with a low latency profile is to reduce the time from read to on screen visibility. Think games as being a primary beneficiary. In the long run, this is a good thing all the way around for everyone gamers or not. In the short term, it is a negative for Sony customers using HDMI sources.

Latency is the amount of time a message takes to traverse a system. In a computer network, it is an expression of how much time it takes for a packet of data to get from one designated point to another.

Low latency would be a shorter time.

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it feels like they dropped the ball on letting Oppo and other source device manufacturers (again, Apple comes to mind) know that they were going to need to implement another DV profile to work with Sony TV's and give them enough time to deliver something so we wouldn't end up in the situation we're in today with a bunch of people who are displeased with some combination of Dolby, Sony, Apple, Oppo, and so on.
They also forgot to notify Sony to update their players

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I wonder if the Sony fix coming to the OPPO will be universal for all DV capable tv's or will the handshake between the tv and OPPO determine which DV profile to use?
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I wonder if the Sony fix coming to the OPPO will be universal for all DV capable tv's or will the handshake between the tv and OPPO determine which DV profile to use?


I have a feeling the “new” update will become the standard, and I would bet this update fixes the elevated black level issue.


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I bought my OPPO on a recommendation from a friend. He was so impressed with his and told me there was nothing else on the market to touch it for quality. My wife overheard the conversation and she gave me the thumbs up to buy the 203. I am glad I got it.

I have had NO problems with any HDMI cables at all. I used the HDMI supplied with the 203 to my 8802. I have a Monoprice HDMI to the projector. I believe it is around 30 feet. Never a problem with it. My projector is the Mitsubishi 3800 doing 1080P.

Even though I don't have HDR capability my 4K discs downconverted to 1080P look pretty darn good. I have not done a 4K vs. Blu-ray of any of my two disc in the box purchases but I like what I see. Guess I will have to try an A B test one day. Meanwhile I am taking advantage of Atmos on the 4K discs. Also we have a local video rental place which is carrying 4K rental.

Then one day I saw a LG 4K player on black friday last year. I grabbed it and put it on another 38 inch 1080P TV we were wanting a Blu-ray player on. It's nice but really I prefer the OPPO over it any day. The grandkids enjoy being able to play DVDs and Blu-rays on that TV now.
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Thanks! I went ahead and did that right after previously posting. Hopefully, I'll hear something positive back. Not sure how hard it would be, but seems like they could include two sets of setup menu pages with the current set as default and an option to select the JVC friendly BT.2020 4K24 set for anyone wanting to use those instead. If they did, then I think anyone using an Oppo 203 with this new setting and a JVC projector for UHD playback could chose the correct userX option in the JVC (or let the Vertex do it) and eliminate some sync delays with the Oppo menus.
Here's the response that I received today from Oppo:

Thank you for the feedback. We have forward it to the engineers whom will take it into consideration when working on additional firmware enhancements for our line of players.

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Just received this email from Oppo in response to my inquire on the Sony statement that devices with Dolby Vision playback (such streaming media players and UHD Blu-Ray players) that are connected to the Sony TV by HDMI will also require a software update to support Dolby Vision playback through the device. For more info on the timing of an update to a particular player, please contact the player’s manufacturer.

Oppo's response:

The ability to support the profile that is used in the Sony television is something that we are looking into developing but it will likely not be until this Spring that such a firmware can be developed as we need to work with Dolby on implementing their new profile changes and then also going through their certification process to make sure that our player properly supports all current profiles.

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Just received this email from Oppo in response to my inquire on the Sony statement that devices with Dolby Vision playback (such streaming media players and UHD Blu-Ray players) that are connected to the Sony TV by HDMI will also require a software update to support Dolby Vision playback through the device. For more info on the timing of an update to a particular player, please contact the player’s manufacturer.

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The ability to support the profile that is used in the Sony television is something that we are looking into developing but it will likely not be until this Spring that such a firmware can be developed as we need to work with Dolby on implementing their new profile changes and then also going through their certification process to make sure that our player properly supports all current profiles.

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Yet another reason to luv Oppo.... There is no need for a new player every year or so.. Especially when the 203 is selling great and will continue to do so and is considered to be the "go to player" to own.. Unless it somehow runs out of memory to store upgraded firmware or the hardware simply can't do it.. I see no point.. Now if they come out with a Darbee 4K Ultra player... That's a different story.. All bets are off.. 😊
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Finally bit the bullet and ordered the 203. I know this may sound stupid, but what HDMI cables do you recommend? Hooking the Oppo up to my LG OLED. I've used the monoprice cables for years and never had issues, but with HDR, Dolby Vision and 4:4:4 chroma, I might as well get the best out of video source on my TV
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Finally bit the bullet and ordered the 203. I know this may sound stupid, but what HDMI cables do you recommend? Hooking the Oppo up to my LG OLED. I've used the monoprice cables for years and never had issues, but with HDR, Dolby Vision and 4:4:4 chroma, I might as well get the best out of video source on my TV
The hdmi cable supplied with the 203 works fine if the length suits your situation. No need to buy another one.

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Finally bit the bullet and ordered the 203. I know this may sound stupid, but what HDMI cables do you recommend? Hooking the Oppo up to my LG OLED. I've used the monoprice cables for years and never had issues, but with HDR, Dolby Vision and 4:4:4 chroma, I might as well get the best out of video source on my TV
How long are your cable runs? If very long, see threads in the HDMI Forum here for help. If your player is positioned next to the rest of your gear, life is much easier.

See these sections of the FAQ:

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Finally bit the bullet and ordered the 203. I know this may sound stupid, but what HDMI cables do you recommend? Hooking the Oppo up to my LG OLED. I've used the monoprice cables for years and never had issues, but with HDR, Dolby Vision and 4:4:4 chroma, I might as well get the best out of video source on my TV
Just make sure you're using cables that are "Premium Certified", which includes cables from MonoPrice (regular and slim) and Blue Jeans. It's fairly likely that your current MonoPrice cables will need to be replaced as their older cables weren't "Premium Certified". But there's absolutely no need to spend big money on the cables.
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All those boxes are checked.

I am beginning to wonder if the problem is CEC. When I get some time I will turn CEC off.
Finally got around to turning off CEC to check if that would help with the Oppo network neither visible or allowing me to play .mkv files from my computer to my display. Turning off CEC does not help. So far the Network feature of the OPPO via a windows 10 computer is dead,

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Finally bit the bullet and ordered the 203. I know this may sound stupid, but what HDMI cables do you recommend? Hooking the Oppo up to my LG OLED. I've used the monoprice cables for years and never had issues, but with HDR, Dolby Vision and 4:4:4 chroma, I might as well get the best out of video source on my TV
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Just make sure you're using cables that are "Premium Certified", which includes cables from MonoPrice (regular and slim) and Blue Jeans. It's fairly likely that your current MonoPrice cables will need to be replaced as their older cables weren't "Premium Certified". But there's absolutely no need to spend big money on the cables.
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See these sections of the FAQ:
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So far the Network feature of the OPPO via a windows 10 computer is dead,
If you re-enable SMB 1.0 support in Windows, you will most likely find it works.

To do this, go to Control Panel then select Programs and Features -> Turn Windows Features on or off -> and check the box for "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support". Recent Windows 10 updates have disabled this by default as SMB 1.0 has some potential security holes. Realistically, I don't see it as a huge risk on a home network if you have a router with a firewall between your PC and the Internet.
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I still have my Oppo 203, BUT havnt used it in ages as i much prefer the UB900 at present.

IF Oppo implement the "HDR Tone Mapping" and release it for the general end user, i would gladly fire up the 203 once again ...and who knows, it might even take over from the UB900 this time around..
Agreed. I mean, the SDR2020 output was already pretty good. If they solve the black clipping and implement some more smarts around adjustments for differing environments, this could be a game changer for light starved displays. I too would switch back from Sony to Oppo in heart beat. I was at their office on day one of release picking up the 203, since I've been using Oppo exclusively for a decade, but had to go with a different solution after a while, this time. Improved tone mapping capabilities would get me back in the camp, especially since I could feed my ATV4k HDR10 signal into it and get tone mapped "SDR" output for all that content, too.

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Instead of all this complaining, i think we have had enough, i would really like to know, at a high level, how this new profile works. What is this "extra" processing that the end devices have to do over what they do now? It would be very interesting to understand.
Wouldn't that be interesting? Trouble is, it's not actually part of the white papers or spec docs that Dolby has been publishing for the past two years....

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Are you just trying to "rub it in" that Oppo followed the DV specs (and Dolby certified that they did) and that this new "low latency" profile of DV was actually never part of the UHD spec until.... this Sony thing?
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Just make sure you're using cables that are "Premium Certified", which includes cables from MonoPrice (regular and slim) and Blue Jeans. It's fairly likely that your current MonoPrice cables will need to be replaced as their older cables weren't "Premium Certified". But there's absolutely no need to spend big money on the cables.
Can confirm: I had an expensive "RedMere" Monoprice cable going from my old Comcast box to my AVR and "certified" new, very inexpensive Monoprice cables for the Oppo, ATV4K, and finally to my LG OLED. This all worked as I would expect till last Friday when I upgraded my cable box to the Xfinity 4K capable one. The Xfinity box somehow knew that the RedMere cable was not good enough and refused to let me set the resolution to 2160P with a warning about HDCP, yadda-yadda HDMI copy protection. I replaced the cable with a "certified" one and voila - 2160P and no issues.

Heed the warnings in the FAQ, do not believe the advertisements that say a cable is "high-speed", etc., the only thing that matters is if it is certified and has the pretty hologram....Monoprice rocks, BTW.
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If you re-enable SMB 1.0 support in Windows, you will most likely find it works.

To do this, go to Control Panel then select Programs and Features -> Turn Windows Features on or off -> and check the box for "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support". Recent Windows 10 updates have disabled this by default as SMB 1.0 has some potential security holes. Realistically, I don't see it as a huge risk on a home network if you have a router with a firewall between your PC and the Internet.
Thanks for your response. My problem may be related to a faulty hard drive which can no longer be located on my computer. I just built the computer this month. I was having issues and I am glad to have possibly located the source. So, I will stop posting until after I replace the drive.

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Thanks for your response. My problem may be related to a faulty hard drive which can no longer be located on my computer. I just built the computer this month. I was having issues and I am glad to have possibly located the source. So, I will stop posting until after I replace the drive.
Sometimes Windows gets mad about NTFS permissions, and refuses to share if the permissions aren't right. Suggest you re-set the entire drive for full permission to "everyone". That's the security tab in drive properties, not the sharing tab.
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If you re-enable SMB 1.0 support in Windows, you will most likely find it works.

To do this, go to Control Panel then select Programs and Features -> Turn Windows Features on or off -> and check the box for "SMB 1.0/CIFS File Sharing Support". Recent Windows 10 updates have disabled this by default as SMB 1.0 has some potential security holes. Realistically, I don't see it as a huge risk on a home network if you have a router with a firewall between your PC and the Internet.
The SMBv1 security holes are not potential passwords are sent in plaintext over the network , and you do not want to do that on any network office or home. The firewall on your router plays no role in the security of your home network in this case, because your router will not route traffic from your private network (RFC-1819) to the public internet.

I ran into this issue myself when I first hooked up my 203 and discovered that my SMB shares on my SAN were not visible, after talking to Oppo support they confirmed to work on fix for this and that SMBv2 (maybe v3) support will be forthcoming.
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