Originally Posted by normandia
Entered my email on the 2-5 link as well so the 205 will replace my 105.
The 203 should be here tomorrow (to upgrade my 103).
Having 2 systems is nice, quite expensive, and presents capability issues.
Now what to do with those (I usually provide my relatives with my older gear after the older gear built the second system, of course).
Since I currently use my 105 for streaming Netflix/Pandora and use the analog audio outs (sometimes), the 203 will stay with the 105 until the 205 is released. I need the 4k of course. Then, when I get the 205, I'll move the 203 to replace the 103 (also need 4k), but will use my Apple TV for streaming (might get a Roku). Waiting for the 205 to see if I would need the Roku (need streaming in 2 systems).
As the 105 was touted for the capability to act as a mini-processor (directly feeding amps) and many (me included) used it that way to take advantage of the DAC's and inputs, it was nearly 3x the cost of the 103. When I upgraded to the Marantz 8802A, I felt those DACs and HDAM were actually comparable, as good or better than the 105 (hard to really test this), so even my use of analog outs lessened.
For the 205 to accomplish this as well presents some issues if you include 4k HDR (a must on the input), and Atmos/DTS:X (on the output). That rear picture of the 105 has 7.1 outputs, not 11.1. My guess is you would need the HDMI out for 11.x systems and that the processor option (if still offered) would only accommodate 7.1 (but likely HDR).
No doubt streaming should be included as the much higher price would pay for the licensing fees that probably change with quantity (hence the no. of players sold, which is much less for the 5s vs the 3s as there are much fewer audiophiles).
This offers an interesting dilemma, namely the 203 might be good enough if one does not use the processor option (more likely not to use it with immersive audio) or the analog output (more likely not to use it with the better processor capabilities). If that is the case, streaming is not worth that much money (say one or two hundred more, not 3x).
It's not completely clear to me exactly how you have your 105 utilized, but given your comments about the Marantz AV8802A, you might consider just going with 2 UDP-203's if you're finding you don't really need the better analog outputs anymore. If the 105 is just in a secondary system, the analog outputs on the 103/203 are actually quite good and might be fine anyway; they also have volume control just as the 105 does. Just something to consider that would save you a considerable amount of money.
Let me preface the rest of this by saying that I don't have any inside info on the 205...
My expectation is that the 205 is going to be the audiophile version of the 203, just as the 105 was the audiophile version of the 103, (and the 95 vs 93, and 83SE vs 83). I would expect to see additional digital inputs (including the USB DAC input) and an extra set of stereo analog outputs (with both RCA and XLR), just like we got on the 105. I'm not really expecting to see anything else that isn't on the 203, such as internal Atmos / DTS:X processing or room correction.
I'm expecting pretty much all other functionality, such as HDR and DV support to be the same on both models.
It's certainly possible that Oppo may surprise us with other features that differentiate the 2 models, but we'll have to wait and see what they come up with (or speculate...
If we get any apps, I would definitely expect them to appear in both models, not just the 205, as it just makes sense to add them to the entire 20x platform. I'm not entirely sure how the cost of adding support for an app works - does Netflix (or other streaming service) charge the device manufacturer a licensing fee of some sort (either a one time fee or a per unit fee) for the app or provide the app at no charge to the device manufacturer and count on generating revenue from a percentage of the end users paying to use the service? My guess is that it depends on the streaming service, but either way, this is why the streaming partners are more interested in working with partners that sell a LOT of units as their effort to create an app for platform X with a hundred thousand potential users will generate a lot more subscription revenue than the same (or similar) effort to create an app for platform Y with a "few" thousand potential users (I have no idea how many players each company sells, but Oppo is closer to the Y category...). But this is a big part of why Oppo would add the apps to both models rather than just 1, as it makes their platform more attractive to a potential streaming partner.
To address one of your questions separately:
Originally Posted by normandia
An aside question, with streaming apps on multiple devices simultaneously (TV, Oppo, processor, streaming device), do the apps (say Netflix) all need to be individually updated with new firmware as the app is upgraded? or are they just "links" to whatever version is currently being used?
The way previous Oppo players have worked has been that the apps are all included in whichever firmware version is installed, so when you update the firmware on the player, you get the current (Oppo) version of all the apps. If they add apps to the 20x platform, it's unknown if they'll continue with this model or switch to something more like the Apple App Store where each app installs and updates separately.