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Nothing in article about Dolby Vision, Dolby Atmos Yes!
My bad - I must have seen Dolby Atmos and read Dolby Vision.

Given the HDR wars, it would have been a big surprise - I should have been more skeptical and double-checked...

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Say what? The opposite is true.

Spoiler!
Oh! The word "play"? I can't see where the case ends and the display begins. Is is the entire width of that tiny sloping section?
I thought that was lettering on the case, like the "Samsung". If it's a similar size case to the KS8500, that's going to be almost invisible from the seating position

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Hard to believe this will serve any purpose or work in any way with anything besides a Samsung TV.
Indeed. Slightly ironic that "BD Wise" was dropped from almost all the 2016 model-year TVs.
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If it's confirmed, I would bet that their 2017 tv lineup will support DV too.
Probably not. Samsung will be releasing dynamic metadata for HDR via firmware update (which will look better than the fake DV on the Vizio P.) I doubt they'll go with Dolby Vision at all - be it for their players or for their TVs.

Anyways, the only way you'll see any kind of actual benefit from DV is if you've got an LG OLED. The Vizio P and the lower end LG use a fake/simulated DV that provides minimal benefit at best.
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If it's confirmed, I would bet that their 2017 tv lineup will support DV too.
Probably not. Samsung will be releasing dynamic metadata for HDR via firmware update (which will look better than the fake DV on the Vizio P.) I doubt they'll go with Dolby Vision at all - be it for their players or for their TVs.

Anyways, the only way you'll see any kind of actual benefit from DV is if you've got an LG OLED. The Vizio P and the lower end LG use a fake/simulated DV that provides minimal benefit at best.
No Dolby Vision on this player someone on this thread miss read the article has Dolby Atmos and I read other articles too no mention of DV
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Fugly, with a useless display. But if it works as good as my UBD K8500 I guess it will be alright.

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Indeed. Samsung has built some nice looking layers from time to time, my BD-J7500 case in point.



But curved or not, these Ultra HD players they are pushing out are hideous.
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"The player will automatically adjust TV video and audio settings based on source content, in order to provide the most optimal viewing experience possible with support for HDR video..."
Is it possible that they are hinting at the addition of dynamic metadata to the HDR10 stream? Of course that has nothing to do with Audio. And most of us with 2015 and perhaps even 2016 models are probably going to be SOL on getting dynamic metadata added to our TV sets.
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Oh! The word "play"? I can't see where the case ends and the display begins. Is is the entire width of that tiny sloping section?
I thought that was lettering on the case, like the "Samsung". If it's a similar size case to the KS8500, that's going to be almost invisible from the seating position
Yeah at first glance of the picture I thought it was just another capacitive button spelled out instead of the symbol since there only appears to be power and eject buttons on the right but those buttons do appear darker than the word play. Me personally haven't really missed any screens since my other 3 Sony Blu-ray players don't have any either.

I am more interested in Dynamic HDR10 if that is what they happen to be referring to and if I will need to upgrade. Since one article states 2016 sets will get a firmware upgrade to support dynamic HDR10 I wonder if the K8500 will get updated for it as well or if I will need this new player and how it will all work.

Next week will be interesting for sure.
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Probably not. Samsung will be releasing dynamic metadata for HDR via firmware update (which will look better than the fake DV on the Vizio P.) I doubt they'll go with Dolby Vision at all - be it for their players or for their TVs.

Anyways, the only way you'll see any kind of actual benefit from DV is if you've got an LG OLED. The Vizio P and the lower end LG use a fake/simulated DV that provides minimal benefit at best.
Dolby Vision isn't just about dynamic HDR. It's 12 bit as well... no banding and better color reproduction.

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Dolby Vision isn't just about HDR. It's 12 bit as well... no banding and better color reproduction.
Yeah, except there aren't any 12 bit panels currently available.
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Come on the 8500 was the only uhd bd player for almost a year in most of the world and people keeps bashing it.
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Yeah, except there aren't any 12 bit panels currently available.
There weren't any HDR 4k sets at one time either. It will happen.

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There weren't any HDR 4k sets at one time either. It will happen.
Probably, but at the moment, the only TVs that can even come close to being able to take advantage of DV are the LG OLED sets. Any of the others that "support" DV can't. So I'm not sure why people without an LG OLED (i.e., the vast majority of people with a 4K TV) would be bothered by the lack of DV support.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Samsung does with dynamic HDR, though. While none of their current TVs are 12 bit panels, their SUHDs all have much better contrast and can all get much brighter than the Vizio P or the lower range LG that can support DV.
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Is it possible that they are hinting at the addition of dynamic metadata to the HDR10 stream? Of course that has nothing to do with Audio. And most of us with 2015 and perhaps even 2016 models are probably going to be SOL on getting dynamic metadata added to our TV sets.
From memory, Samsung has stated the 2016 KS models will get the Dynamic HDR update.
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The Forbes article specifically states that it will NOT have Dolby Vision...
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From memory, Samsung has stated the 2016 KS models will get the Dynamic HDR update.
Yeah but the big question for me is how? Meaning will we need this new player? A new one connect box perhaps with HDMI 2.1? Could the K8500 potentially be updated? and lastly will it only apply to newer movies coded with this dynamic metadata or can it somehow be provided through updates like the early days of Blu-rays for some features? Though I am just guessing and speculating even if it were possible with updates then it may require the new player since from my understanding the K8500 has ZERO onboard memory.

These are some of the questions I hope are answered next week.
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Yeah but the big question for me is how? Meaning will we need this new player? A new one connect box perhaps with HDMI 2.1? Could the K8500 potentially be updated? and lastly will it only apply to newer movies coded with this dynamic metadata or can it somehow be provided through updates like the early days of Blu-rays for some features? Though I am just guessing and speculating even if it were possible with updates then it may require the new player since from my understanding the K8500 has ZERO onboard memory.

These are some of the questions I hope are answered next week.
I agree with all of that!

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We expect to hear more about the development at IFA 2016 in Berlin this September.
I patiently waited for IFA in September and got nothing about Dynamic HDR10, or firm news about HDMI changes. Just a big fuss about USB-Type C plugs!
So - fingers crossed for next week.

ps. Samsung have also promised firmware upgrades for the 2016 TVs to add HLG.

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I agree with all of that!

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I patiently waited for IFA in September and got nothing about Dynamic HDR10, or firm news about HDMI changes. Just a big fuss about USB-Type C plugs!
So - fingers crossed for next week.

ps. Samsung have also promised firmware upgrades for the 2016 TVs to add HLG.
Man it would be super sweet if Samsung comes through and we do indeed get an update for HLG and dynamic HDR10!! Hell I wouldn't mind buying an upgraded one connect box with HDMI 2.1 if needed either as i love this TV and would love to not feel the need to upgrade that too.

As far as the K8500, if we do need this new player for dynamic HDR10 then it can always mysteriously break since I have the Best Buy protection on it . Man I should have picked a cheaper hobby
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Probably not. Samsung will be releasing dynamic metadata for HDR via firmware update (which will look better than the fake DV on the Vizio P.) I doubt they'll go with Dolby Vision at all - be it for their players or for their TVs.

Anyways, the only way you'll see any kind of actual benefit from DV is if you've got an LG OLED. The Vizio P and the lower end LG use a fake/simulated DV that provides minimal benefit at best.
First I've heard of that - is there a write-up or a link somewhere?
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No Dolby Vision on this player someone on this thread miss read the article has Dolby Atmos and I read other articles too no mention of DV
Yeah, that someone would be me.

My apologies (again ).
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Man, Samsung sure knows how to make some hideous players. Guess they're a perfect match for their hideous curved TVs though

the K8500 is buggy and feels really junky. Looks like they'll continue the trend in 2017...It's going to come down to the Oppo, forthcoming Sony, or Panasonic player for me once I upgrade my TV.
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First I've heard of that - is there a write-up or a link somewhere?
I think he is just referring to the fact that those particular TV sets do not come anywhere near 1000 nit brightness and in Vizio's case a not as wide color gamut. So I think some just interpret that as choosing a more mediocre DV set over a better HDR10 only set just for the sake of DV support.

I have read arguments that if DV is 12bit, 4000 nit etc etc what good are these budget TV's that don't come close to any of it? Why choose them over a better performing HDR10 set that does meet premium requirements(or both such as OLED). But I believe I also read this is where DV is more valuable because it is made to be scalable to every particular sets capabilities for that sets best PQ obtainable. Sort of the same reason I read DV's dynamic data is more beneficial to streaming content as well.

I do not know enough myself to argue any points but IMO the P series looked great and has its other benefits with FALD but I know for me personally I liked the Samsung PQ better and at the time saved $400 in price difference. That is all it came down to, though to be honest I was torn for quite a while over wanting a set without DV. The fact all discs have to have HDR10 is what helped me pull the trigger.
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Getting closer to 100-150€? Budget players are needed soon, or UHD Blu-ray momentum (such as it is) will wither.
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I agree, and mine continues to work flawlessly no mater what type of disc I throw at it. Guess I got lucky or whatever.

Is the Oppo really THAT much better for 3/4x the cost? I doubt it.
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Confused about this direct quote from Cnet "In addition, Samsung's new player will automatically flag HDR content so that your (Samsung) 4K TV switches automatically, which is something that should have happened from day 1, if you ask us."

Not sure what they mean by this but the K8500 always kicked into HDR mode by itself when played HDR content such as UHD discs... its not like you had to switch a button on for it? Am I missing something here...

Also note that they highlight (Samsung) 4K TVs in their statement... Like a few others have mentioned, this optimal settings might only be for Samsung TV owners only (makes sense) but time will tell.

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I agree, and mine continues to work flawlessly no mater what type of disc I throw at it. Guess I got lucky or whatever.

Is the Oppo really THAT much better for 3/4x the cost? I doubt it.
No it really is not.

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Confused about this direct quote from Cnet "In addition, Samsung's new player will automatically flag HDR content so that your (Samsung) 4K TV switches automatically, which is something that should have happened from day 1, if you ask us."

Not sure what they mean by this but the K8500 always kicked into HDR mode by itself when played HDR content such as UHD discs... its not like you had to switch a button on for it? Am I missing something here...

Also note that they highlight (Samsung) 4K TVs in their statement... Like a few others have mentioned, this optimal settings might only be for Samsung TV owners only (makes sense) but time will tell.
"Not sure what they mean by this but the K8500 always kicked into HDR mode by itself when played HDR content such as UHD discs... its not like you had to switch a button on for it? Am I missing something here..."

No, you are not missing anything, and yes you are right.

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Confused about this direct quote from Cnet "In addition, Samsung's new player will automatically flag HDR content so that your (Samsung) 4K TV switches automatically, which is something that should have happened from day 1, if you ask us."

Not sure what they mean by this but the K8500 always kicked into HDR mode by itself when played HDR content such as UHD discs... its not like you had to switch a button on for it? Am I missing something here...

Also note that they highlight (Samsung) 4K TVs in their statement... Like a few others have mentioned, this optimal settings might only be for Samsung TV owners only (makes sense) but time will tell.
CNet's "journalism" is really terrible isn't it. "something that should have happened from day 1, if you ask us". It did, you idiots! Stop sucking up and regurgitating press releases, and do some proper journalism.
And a new feature that only works with one model of TV? Gee, how impressive(!).
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Personally, I want to see a better UI. The one now is slow, sluggish, and I hate how we can't move around icons. I don't need Pandora on my homepage.


Oh and what happened to the Netflix HDR update? Still MIA. At least Amazon's HDR mode kicks in and it's beautiful. I'd like to see Netflix and Vudu get HDR support from the player as well being able to watch my UHD titles in Dolby Atmos.


Yes, it's a physical media player but I am getting tired of having to purchase multiple gadgets to get various services! Sammy player for Amazon HDR (Roku isn't reliable), Shield TV for amazin Vudu support (no HDR through Vudu). So far, the Shield and Sammy player have been the most reliable for me ... after trying out the Roku 4 and Roku Premiere.
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Personally, I want to see a better UI. The one now is slow, sluggish, and I hate how we can't move around icons. I don't need Pandora on my homepage.


Oh and what happened to the Netflix HDR update? Still MIA. At least Amazon's HDR mode kicks in and it's beautiful. I'd like to see Netflix and Vudu get HDR support from the player as well being able to watch my UHD titles in Dolby Atmos.


Yes, it's a physical media player but I am getting tired of having to purchase multiple gadgets to get various services! Sammy player for Amazon HDR (Roku isn't reliable), Shield TV for amazin Vudu support (no HDR through Vudu). So far, the Shield and Sammy player have been the most reliable for me ... after trying out the Roku 4 and Roku Premiere.
What do you think about the oled lg built in apps? I have the same tv
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