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robert ham 01-24-2017 09:19 AM

Correct!
 
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Originally Posted by SLYDoggie (Post 50155593)
To my knowledge all Sony has said at this point is "Spring". I guess "Spring" can be a pretty wide swath but I would guess March/April... More likely April.

I would agree that March-April would be correct,,, HOWEVER,, it is possible that Sony has now received World Wide Feedback on this device, and maybe they feel that NOT adding in Dolby Vision was an over site on Sony Part.. This would require a partial re-design, and would probably require a delay till mid to late summer and a part number change. With Sony introducing DV in some of its newer high end TV sets,,, they might change the X800,,, but with that being said, I would lean to the side that Sony will NOT change anything, and decide to come out with a newer model, X850?, in 2018 that does have DV.. Time will tell, as will be the Price Point of the X800 unit...

amblinfan 01-25-2017 03:03 PM

the X800 is going to be 399 and will be released in March

gadgtfreek 01-25-2017 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by amblinfan (Post 50206289)
the x800 is going to be 399 and will be released in march



wow.

dvdwilly3 01-25-2017 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by amblinfan (Post 50206289)
the X800 is going to be 399 and will be released in March

"From your mouth to God's ear..."

What is your source?

amblinfan 01-25-2017 04:24 PM

Source is Sony, 1000ES will be 799

amblinfan 01-25-2017 04:49 PM

Sorry if it's cryptic but until embargos are up can't say much. Should be reliable info unless Sony changes it's mind which they did with 1000ES being 899 prior to CES and now 799.

gadgtfreek 01-25-2017 05:13 PM

Figure on the 1000 they need to be closer to Panny 900, maybe the reason for drop.

dvdwilly3 01-25-2017 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by amblinfan (Post 50209049)
Source is Sony, 1000ES will be 799

Absolutely outstanding!

Thanks!

Marc Alexander 01-25-2017 06:24 PM

Will the UBP-X800 include access to Sony's Ultra streaming service?

robert ham 01-25-2017 06:42 PM

Probably
 
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Originally Posted by Marc Alexander (Post 50211873)
Will the UBP-X800 include access to Sony's Ultra streaming service?

I would think so, but until this bad boy is released, you just never know...

Marc Alexander 01-25-2017 06:56 PM

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Originally Posted by robert ham (Post 50212305)
I would think so, but until this bad boy is released, you just never know...

I still don't understand why no Ultra access on my PS4 Pro. I won't be buying a Sony player without Ultra and Dolby Vision. (Just in case Sony is listening, which I doubt).

aaronwt 01-25-2017 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Marc Alexander (Post 50211873)
Will the UBP-X800 include access to Sony's Ultra streaming service?

I would hope so but I certainly would not bet money on it. I would have expected the Ultra app to be on the PS4 Pro. But it is glaringly absent.

gadgtfreek 01-25-2017 07:23 PM

IIRC, Robert Zohn reported the 1000 may have a HDD connection for the service, dunno about the 800.

aaronwt 01-25-2017 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek (Post 50213201)
IIRC, Robert Zohn reported the 1000 may have a HDD connection for the service, dunno about the 800.

Why would it need a HDD? The Sony Android TVs have the Ultra app without a hard drive. It's a streaming service. No hard drive needed for streaming. Like UHD streaming from other services, it is low bitrate. Like only 16 Mb/s.

gadgtfreek 01-25-2017 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by aaronwt (Post 50213233)
Why would it need a HDD? The Sony Android TVs have the Ultra app without a hard drive. It's a streaming service. No hard drive needed for streaming.

Downloading movies...

aaronwt 01-25-2017 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek (Post 50213249)
Downloading movies...

That would be a nice option if they provide a much higher bitrate for downloads. Otherwise if it's the same 16Mb/s bitrate like everybody else has for UHD streaming, I don;t see much point to it.

At least Sony did recently add rentals to their Ultra app. Prior you could only purchase the UHD titles or add it with a UV code.

gadgtfreek 01-25-2017 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by aaronwt (Post 50213321)
That would be a nice option if they provide a much higher bitrate for downloads. Otherwise if it's the same 16Mb/s bitrate like everybody else has for UHD streaming, I don;t see much point to it.

At least Sony did recently add rentals to their Ultra app. Prior you could only purchase the UHD titles or add it with a UV code.

You assume everyone has fast internet!

Here is what was said, not sure if it is going to pan out this way as it was right before CES:


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Originally Posted by Robert Zohn (Post 13037850)
I believe we will learn the price and estimated launch date at Sony's January 4th CES Press conference. The last I heard at CEDIA was that the UHD BD player was an ES product so it's limited to ES dealers, like Magnolia, Value Electronics, Crutchfield, ABT, etc.

Also, it was estimated to be less than $1k and will have streaming and built-in storage for downloading Sony Pictures UHD/HDR movies and documentaries.


Since then, its been quiet as a mouse.

amblinfan 01-26-2017 07:57 AM

I think no on the ULTRA app. Only differences i'm aware of for TWICE the money are as follows....

1000ES upgrades
IP Control/ RS232
Analog audio outs/superior DAC's but not multichannel analog like the Opposite
3 year warranty

Ummm....I think that's it guys. Same chassis and everything. No Dolby Vision for sure on either and it's because Sony is saying they weren't wrong in their assessment of DV vs HDR10 but regarding TV's they felt including them was good for consumers but as far as discs go they are HDR10 only so the players echo this statement. Use the Vudu app inside TV for DV content but the disc is still their better option.

Marc Alexander 01-26-2017 08:18 AM


amblinfan 01-26-2017 08:36 AM

Their TV division is doing well now according to them, I know from store level their lines have been massively popular the last 2 gens.

Marc Alexander 01-26-2017 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by amblinfan (Post 50223777)
Their TV division is doing well now according to them, I know from store level their lines have been massively popular the last 2 gens.

I think their fiscal year ends March 31. I suspect they are still being carried by Playstation, Camera Sensors, and Sony Pictures. I also wouldn't be surprised if Sony has been passed by HiSense and/or TCL in global market share with Samsung remaining #1 by a large margin and LG #2 again.

Samsung dominates global TV market for 10th straight year

I am rooting for Sony as I believe a strong Sony is good for everyone.

*edit* It appears Sony has fallen out of the top 5 globally after LeEco acquired Vizio.

http://www.ledinside.com/news/2016/7...0_market_share
http://p.ledinside.com/led/2016-07/1469698650_13293.png

NorthJersey 01-26-2017 11:51 AM

I guess their TV business isn't doing all that great:

http://nypost.com/2017/01/19/sony-is...m-tv-business/

"The film unit, however, is struggling. Sony/Columbia ended 2016 in fifth place with a market share of 8 percent, behind Disney, Warner, Fox and Universal, according to Box Office Mojo."

“They want to see how the “Emoji Movie” movie does because they think they have a franchise and it might help them get a better price,” said a source, the film, which features a poop emoji, comes out on August 4.


Sad that the Emoji movie may determine the fate of their film business, I guess it's why it's bringing out the heavy hitters for it, such as Capt Jean-Luc Picard as the poop emoji :eek:

aaronwt 01-28-2017 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek (Post 50213345)
You assume everyone has fast internet!

Here is what was said, not sure if it is going to pan out this way as it was right before CES:





Since then, its been quiet as a mouse.

Fast INternet? No. I don't consider 20 Mb/s fast.

Although back in 1997 when I had 1Mb/s internet(one way cable modem with dial up for the upload) or in 1998 when I had 5Mb/s internet(5 down and 1 up with two way cable modem) I would have considered that fast back then.

SaskCanesFan 01-28-2017 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by aaronwt (Post 50280945)
Fast INternet? No. I don't consider 20 Mb/s fast.

Although back in 1997 when I had 1Mb/s internet(one way cable modem with dial up for the upload) or in 1998 when I had 5Mb/s internet(5 down and 1 up with two way cable modem) I would have considered that fast back then.

Well, that's great for your area. A lot of people would consider 20Mb to be fast still. Where I am, 10Mb is the fastest I can get.

So the abilty to download instead of stream would be great.

aaronwt 01-28-2017 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by SaskCanesFan (Post 50282649)
Well, that's great for your area. A lot of people would consider 20Mb to be fast still. Where I am, 10Mb is the fastest I can get.

So the abilty to download instead of stream would be great.

That is slow. Wow!! Even my cell phone gets over 50Mb/s download speeds on the Verizon cellular network.

idealty 02-07-2017 12:37 PM


So avforums just did an updated preview of the UBP-X800 from Sony's UK media event: https://www.avforums.com/news/sony-l...soundbar.13363

In it, they say it will be available in April for a price of £400. For comparison, the Oppo UDP-203 is £649. On paper, the Sony is looking pretty comparable to the Oppo for a much cheaper price. It's got Universal Disc playback as well (unlike the Panasonic, Samsung, or LG 4K players) along with high res certification, dual HDMI outputs, dual band high speed Wifi, and 4K streaming apps builtin. The main feature missing is the analog outputs but the value of that will vary depending on the individual and what other components they have. But again, it's looking like it will be noticeable cheaper than the Oppo but at least $100-$150.

I'm curious what are people's thoughts about how the UBP-X800 will stack up against the competition, particularly the Oppo UDP-203, when accounting for features, performance, and value?

gadgtfreek 02-08-2017 09:50 AM

Might fall under no Dolby Vision no sale for me.

Marc Alexander 02-09-2017 01:08 AM

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Originally Posted by gadgtfreek (Post 50586609)
Might fall under no Dolby Vision no sale for me.

Ditto

amblinfan 02-09-2017 02:09 PM

It definitely doesn't have DV

aaronwt 02-09-2017 02:32 PM

I don't have an issue with no DV, just price. I would really like to get one, but it needs to be at least 25% cheaper and preferably 35% cheaper.


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